Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[txdon]

Tesla officially moves headquarters from California to Texas: Tesla officially moves headquarters from California to Texas

The new corporate headquarters address is listed as: 13101 Harold Green Road, Austin, Texas 78725.
When I drove by the new billion $ factory two weeks ago it did not look like it was ready for occupancy.

Over the Thanksgiving weekend Samsung announced a mega 17 billion $ chip factory to start construction 28 miles from Tesla on Williamson County Road 407 Taylor Tx.

 

[Agvg]

It will be very interesting to see how Toyota bZ4x will do in the EV market.

 

[California]

It will be very interesting to see how Toyota bZ4x will do in the EV market.

I think they'll sell millions of them. I prefer the Subaru variant, (they are twins) I expect it will have more ground clearance and other 'utility vehicle' bias, but both sound they will sell well. And I think the Subaru version is better looking, without Toyota's recent zoomy styling.

 

[Agvg]

I think they'll sell millions of them. I prefer the Subaru variant, (they are twins) I expect it will have more ground clearance and other 'utility vehicle' bias, but both sound they will sell well. And I think the Subaru version is better looking, without Toyota's recent zoomy styling.

We'll see, I'm afraid Toyota's ridiculous conservatism might hit them hard in a market that is fast changing and tech focused. Here in Europe the competition is very hard on EVs.

 

[Rebeldad1]

has anybody done a deep dive into the Ford Lightning?
Sounds like a great fit for us.

 

[Jstpssng]

I'm not so sure about that...guess it depend on how much range one needs and, of course, the price of the vehicle
I live in a fairly rural area but most of my trips (other than going to work (50 miles one way)) are probably under 10 miles (groceries, dump runs, things like that) and are on secondary roads with 30-50 MPH speed limits. I'd have no problems going with a relatively short range (100 miles range) EV.
Of course, I'm a lot older (72 next month) and most of my running about is behind me except when there is a need

I would buy an EV for those purposes in a heartbeat... if it was priced accordingly.
I don’t give two shakes about bells and whistles. I want dependability, heat in winter and AC in summer. Something which I can easily get in and out of; my 2004 Ranger was the first vehicle I’ve ever owned which should have had a tilt wheel. In the case of an EV I want at least 200 miles range in all types of weather; that equals a range of 100 miles plus reserve in case I get caught someplace where weather or an accident shut the road down for a period of time.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

We'll see, I'm afraid Toyota's ridiculous conservatism might hit them hard in a market that is fast changing and tech focused. Here in Europe the competition is very hard on EVs.

I think your take on Toyota is correct. The leaders in the industry do not see Toyota making the swing to EV'S very successfully. They blew it back in like 2012-14 when they was building the RAV4 off of the Tesla platform. The story from inside Tesla where it's true or not I do not know but that they were so conservative they wanted Tesla to back down their technology to be more compatible with their backward ways.

 

[Jstpssng]

This article speaks the uncomfortable truth;

MSN

“Avoid” refers to reducing the need for transport in the first place.This involves planning new urban areas and redeveloping old ones to be as well organized as possible, so people will not have to travel far for their working, shopping, education and recreational needs.

You aren't going to change people though, and I could never make it in the urban landscape they envision. Working an inside job ha never worked for me; and what the *.* do you do for fun in that type of environment?

 

[RoyJackson]

We'll see, I'm afraid Toyota's ridiculous conservatism might hit them hard in a market that is fast changing and tech focused. Here in Europe the competition is very hard on EVs.

Not so sure about that...at least in the US.
Toyota is a very popular brand here, plus some are actually built (assembled) in the US...Alabama, I think.

Until companies like Tesla can produce a much lower priced vehicle (say $35K or less), my opinion is they'll never be a major manufacturer. I do think Elon Musk is smart enough to, at least, investigate the mass market.

 

[RoyJackson]

This article speaks the uncomfortable truth;

MSN

You aren't going to change people though, and I could never make it in the urban landscape they envision. Working an inside job ha never worked for me; and what the *.* do you do for fun in that type of environment?

Yeah...the author(s) of that article are delusional

 

[Egon]

There is a pipeline carrying fuel that is currently out of production because of flooding in the Fraser valley, causing Vancouver's current shortage. While I don't know where it comes from, there is a pipeline to the airport carrying jet fuel that runs through Richmond, the suburb where the airport is located.

Trans Mountain Pipeline. The Airport also has a new facility for unloading barges.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Not so sure about that...at least in the US.
Toyota is a very popular brand here, plus some are actually built (assembled) in the US...Alabama, I think.

Until companies like Tesla can produce a much lower priced vehicle (say $35K or less), my opinion is they'll never be a major manufacturer. I do think Elon Musk is smart enough to, at least, investigate the mass market.

Sam the Electric Viking said some time ago that this new Toyota EV is a BYD skate board with a Toyota body.

 

[goeduck]

Not so sure about that...at least in the US.
Toyota is a very popular brand here, plus some are actually built (assembled) in the US...Alabama, I think.

Until companies like Tesla can produce a much lower priced vehicle (say $35K or less), my opinion is they'll never be a major manufacturer. I do think Elon Musk is smart enough to, at least, investigate the mass market.

Agree. I would not count Toyota out. Bleeding edge vs leading edge. Let the others blaze the trail?

 

[PuffyC]

has anybody done a deep dive into the Ford Lightning?
Sounds like a great fit for us.

Its an impressive machine that goes far beyond any conventional pickup in a lot of ways for sure. As long as I can keep the wife from finding out how much a Lightning costs I’ll have one, just might be a couple years.

Not so sure about that...at least in the US.
Toyota is a very popular brand here, plus some are actually built (assembled) in the US...Alabama, I think.

Until companies like Tesla can produce a much lower priced vehicle (say $35K or less), my opinion is they'll never be a major manufacturer. I do think Elon Musk is smart enough to, at least, investigate the mass market.

I agree, and he’ll get there. We’re still in the early adopter phase and early adopters always pay for that privilege. Soon though the question will be how can you afford to not buy an EV.

 

[Agvg]

Agree. I would not count Toyota out. Bleeding edge vs leading edge. Let the others blaze the trail?

Maybe in the US, you seems to be more conservative when it comes to cars, here in Europe it's the latest and greatest that matters.

I was a great fan of Japanese cars, drove Nissan pickups and has owned both Toyota's and Mazda, today I think only Mazda is interesting, today I have a Renault and a old VW transporter and my wife switched from Toyota to Citroen.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

The Electric Vehicle Charging Market Could Be Worth As Much As $1.6 Trillion | OilPrice.com

I thought Ark Invest was talking crazy when they suggested long term Tesla could wind up with 25% of total car market. Even in Redneckville USA Tesla is the only car maker name I see on retail EV charging stations. What's going on in Redneckville when it comes EV charging is going on worldwide.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Well, it's hard to kill a industry that prints money on a ridiculous high rate, and the tax on profit from oil and gas production is over 70% so without it the Norwegian state would be in serious financial trouble.

Low-Cost Oil And Gas May Make U.S. ''Energy Dominant'' | OilPrice.com

Sounds like the countries setting on top of the Black Gold can expect a good run up to 2050. Gas and diesel will be the low hanging fruit of oil producing nations for decades to come. In the USA the coming $6+ gas will drive more in rural America to gas up at home on sunshine. This will drive up the demand for cars that run on sunshine.

 

[Hay Dude]

Just what every American wants…to be “forced” into something.

Hoping for EVs to take over ICEVs is hoping for an industry to win out who’s primary energy source is produced overseas by hostile actors.
It’s also going to take away 100’s of thousands of American jobs. Not just in the energy sector, but in the transportation sectors and service sectors who support the energy sector.
Show me the batteries and components WILL be made HERE by American companies and you’ll win a lot more hearts and minds.
I think EVs and electric equipment are great, but not at the sacrifice of an entire American industry.

 

[RoyJackson]

Low-Cost Oil And Gas May Make U.S. ''Energy Dominant'' | OilPrice.com

Sounds like the countries setting on top of the Black Gold can expect a good run up to 2050. Gas and diesel will be the low hanging fruit of oil producing nations for decades to come. In the USA the coming $6+ gas will drive more in rural America to gas up at home on sunshine. This will drive up the demand for cars that run on sunshine.

$6 gas?
Where do you come up with this BS?

 

[Agvg]

Yes, oil is a curse for all countries except for those producing it. But things may change fast and expensive oil from installations fare out in the sea can hit the wall if alternative energy gets big enough, hard to compete on production cost with a guy that can take his Hilux to the oil field.