Starlink

[LittleBill21]

guys fiber is pretty easy, especially if its pre terminated which is really all that you should be looking at. MM is easily capable at this distance, and the SFP's are generally cheaper, bidi can be used as well, but weigh the costs of the transceivers vs the cost of another pair of fiber (its not a big jump to go from 2 strand to 4 strand etc)

this comes with the sfp's just need the fiber, (fs.com is a good resource)

https://amzn.to/3zejl5d

if you guys need more complex or turn key solutions, I do consult on this (remotely)

good luck, it also prevents surges or ground imbalances.

 

[Fallon]

Multimode fiber is easier to work with & cheaper. You can get gigabit over multimode up to 1km. So unless you need higher speed over longer distance you will be better off with multimode. I pulled 350' of pre-terminated through some existing conduit down my driveway a few years ago for under $200. Switch & SFP on the far end was $120-140 or so I think.

No ground loops, lightning paths or corrosion issues with fiber. That ignores how you power gear at the far end, but it keeps the issues out of your data network at least. No RF interference or alignment issues either.

 

[IXLR8]

Multimode fiber is easier to work with & cheaper. You can get gigabit over multimode up to 1km. So unless you need higher speed over longer distance you will be better off with multimode. I pulled 350' of pre-terminated through some existing conduit down my driveway a few years ago for under $200. Switch & SFP on the far end was $120-140 or so I think.

No ground loops, lightning paths or corrosion issues with fiber. That ignores how you power gear at the far end, but it keeps the issues out of your data network at least. No RF interference or alignment issues either.

What connectors did you use on the FO cable? What was the size of the conduit? I'm wondering what size conduit one would need to use with LC connectors.

 

[LittleBill21]

What connectors did you use on the FO cable? What was the size of the conduit? I'm wondering what size conduit one would need to use with LC connectors.

you need to determine how many connectors, 3/4 would be fine for a single pair.

 

[Fallon]

you need to determine how many connectors, 3/4 would be fine for a single pair.

Probably 3/4", I'd have to go check though. I wouldn't run anything through smaller than 3/4" these days. Better to pay a few bucks for bigger conduit than fight friction cramming stuff into to small of conduit & breaking wires or other stuff. Fiber is often stronger than you may think, but its still pretty fragile, especially when pulling it pre-terminated when you can't just cut off a mangled end. I generally go with 1" even now.

That being said, fiber is thin. As was noted, the connectors will be the hard part to fit through.

 

[LittleBill21]

Probably 3/4", I'd have to go check though. I wouldn't run anything through smaller than 3/4" these days. Better to pay a few bucks for bigger conduit than fight friction cramming stuff into to small of conduit & breaking wires or other stuff. Fiber is often stronger than you may think, but its still pretty fragile, especially when pulling it pre-terminated when you can't just cut off a mangled end. I generally go with 1" even now.

That being said, fiber is thin. As was noted, the connectors will be the hard part to fit through.

i think you quoted the wrong person, that said, generally you use pulling eye's. we pull on the shield, not the connecter, if the pipe is tight, you blow through 2 lines, one for the connectors and one attached to the sheath to do the actual pull, should never pull on the connectors.

 

[Fallon]

i think you quoted the wrong person, that said, generally you use pulling eye's. we pull on the shield, not the connecter, if the pipe is tight, you blow through 2 lines, one for the connectors and one attached to the sheath to do the actual pull, should never pull on the connectors.

Ya, was just quoting the latest reply. I have several of those Chinese finger cuff gizmos to attach the pull string to cable. Finicky to get one big enough to go over the connector but small enough to grip down on the cable. I generally tape things up tight over any pulling attachment which adds even more bulk.
Woodhead 35970 Pulling Grip, Junior Duty, Flexible Eye, 1700lb Approximate Break Strength, 5.00" Mesh Length, .25–.36" Cable Diameter: Electrical Pulling Grips: Amazon.com: Tools & Home Improvement or the like, although mine are some generic cheaper ones.

 

[bdhsfz6]

which range extender will you use? easy to set up?

thanks in advance!!

I've been looking at the ayrMesh product from Ayrstone:

Outdoor Meshing WiFi for Farm, Ranch, and Rural Home - Ayrstone Productivity

wireless farm networking meshing outdoor wifi for rural locations

ayrstone.com

It isn't cheap but then what is these days.

 

[LittleBill21]

I've been looking at the ayrMesh product from Ayrstone:

Outdoor Meshing WiFi for Farm, Ranch, and Rural Home - Ayrstone Productivity

wireless farm networking meshing outdoor wifi for rural locations

ayrstone.com

It isn't cheap but then what is these days.

lol its preconfigured ubiquiti equipment.

just realize if you think your going to do 25 acre's with a single antenna, your going to be extremely disappointed.

 

[plowhog]

Any thoughts or comments most welcome.

Have you considered yet how to house/protect the equipment near the dish site?

I'm going to install a small tower in my pasture for dishy. (maybe some other antennas as well ...) Then I am going to need some sort of weather proof enclosure for starlink equipment, power, and signal wiring near the base. I have not yet figured out how best to do this.

I presume I also need to allocate space to store unused fiber cable. Since most of us would buy pre-terminated cables, it is prudent to get them extra long. But they apparently don't bend as well as CAT5, so a small place to wind/store the "extra" footage seems prudent?

 

[IXLR8]

Have you considered yet how to house/protect the equipment near the dish site?

I'm going to install a small tower in my pasture for dishy. (maybe some other antennas as well ...) Then I am going to need some sort of weather proof enclosure for starlink equipment, power, and signal wiring near the base. I have not yet figured out how best to do this.

I presume I also need to allocate space to store unused fiber cable. Since most of us would buy pre-terminated cables, it is prudent to get them extra long. But they apparently don't bend as well as CAT5, so a small place to wind/store the "extra" footage seems prudent?

They make 'hangers' just for this purpose with a minimum radius to prevent damage to the FO cable.

 

[Fallon]

Have you considered yet how to house/protect the equipment near the dish site?

I'm going to install a small tower in my pasture for dishy. (maybe some other antennas as well ...) Then I am going to need some sort of weather proof enclosure for starlink equipment, power, and signal wiring near the base. I have not yet figured out how best to do this.

I presume I also need to allocate space to store unused fiber cable. Since most of us would buy pre-terminated cables, it is prudent to get them extra long. But they apparently don't bend as well as CAT5, so a small place to wind/store the "extra" footage seems prudent?

I'm a fan of old breaker panels. They are weather resistant enough & roomy once gutted. I try to keep gear off the bottom if any drips make it inside.

You generally want a 6" bend radius or so for fiber. Which is double what you should have for Ethernet. Many people go tighter without consequences. You want things supported, or at least not out flapping in the wind. Both fiber & Ethernet are generally indoor only unless you explicitly get outdoor or burial rated. Indoor stuff isn't always waterproof despite the plastic jacket & you can get corrosion issues.

I've got 1 breaker panel for low voltage & network & 1 for 110v. Complete with poorly supported service loops of fiber that exceed proper bend radius (that's been working like that for years).

TP-Link TL-SG2210P 8 port POE switch with a SFP port I think is what I have, probably cheaper options if you don't need POE. It looks like you can get a media converter with a SFP slot for $30 or so if you don't need a switch. "TP-LINK Gigabit SFP module, 1000Base-SX Multi-mode Fiber Mini GBIC Module, Plug and Play, LC/UPC interface, Up to 550/220m distance (TL-SM311LM)" look to be $30 or so for a pair.

100 meters of 50/125 multimode fiber terminated with LC connectors is under $100. Some armored outdoor rated was $130, which is what I'd use for direct burial or aerial run.

 

[plowhog]

I'm a fan of old breaker panels.

That's a great suggestion- thanks. Happen to have a few of those laying around .... will use them!

 

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[bdhsfz6]

lol its preconfigured ubiquiti equipment.

just realize if you think your going to do 25 acre's with a single antenna, your going to be extremely disappointed.

Being a novice at this, I'm not sure what preconfigured ubiquity equipment is.

I realize wireless access points will be required in the buildings.

 

[LittleBill21]

Being a novice at this, I'm not sure what preconfigured ubiquity equipment is.

I realize wireless access points will be required in the buildings.

your paying an upcharge to have someone preconfigure the equipment for you, then mail it to you.

going to need more then in the buildings, especially if phones are expected to work. i wish you luck

 

[rekees4300]

Starlink will end beta status in October.

Elon Musk says Starlink internet will exit beta status next month

 

[ponytug]

There are still the chip shortages and production delays, but awesome news!

All the best,

Peter

 

[BigBlue1]

Good news! Hopefully the cell limitations will be gone. That would enable things like suspension of service, moving service to another location temporarily, etc.

 

[Fallon]

Good news! Hopefully the cell limitations will be gone. That would enable things like suspension of service, moving service to another location temporarily, etc.

I suspect those will still be there for a bit.

Current birds only have a uplink/downlink radio. They need line of sight to a given user terminal & a downlink station. That is limited bandwidth for all users in a given area. So rather than overload the satellites & cause performance issues, they are limiting the number of users in a given area.

The next generation of birds will have lasers to crosslink between birds. That will enable them to provide service even the bird overhead can't see a downlink station. They should be able to distribute load between birds better as well. Not to mention having more birds up there to service things. They stalled launches of new birds in July I believe it was, partially to get the laser crosslink stuff working. They should be resuming launches any time & have said all future birds when they resume launches will have the crosslink stuff.