Just another UDT oil question.

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Here's a dumb question: What's factory fill on new Kubotas?

I figure on the engine oil it's probably 10w-30 dino which, IMHO, is Fred Flintstone technology. As usual from our Japanese friends. (Factory Fill on New ISB Cummins is 5w-40 synthetic. It was Valvoline Extreme when I bought mine, I think it's T6 now)

I'd be curious to know what is in their hydraulics and their HST....

 

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I disagree with the general term that filter people know more than the OEMs about filter people. In my case I can cite an instance where our labs developed an improved filter medium. Of course we work with our filter supplier to insure they can manufacture in volume what we develop. I can't tell you for sure if even the filter manufacturer could sell the same filter under their name. Fluids different case. In every case I can think of, new specialty oils were sold under our brand name with an equivalent fluid available from our supplier under their brand. I am certain smaller OEMs do not have the resources to do this (I started out with a one) but it is amazing what the largest can do. Engineers screw up, and an option often is to go to fluids group asking them if they can bail us out.

No doubt there are great engineers everywhere coming up with new technology. But didn't your engineers have better things to do??

Not saying there aren't smart engineers at Kubota. But they SERIOUSLY need to work on a LOT of things besides inventing a new and improved engine oil.

The could ask themselves why the L Series has the brake pedals on the same side as the TreadlePedal and how an operator is supposed to use both at the same time. Or they could look into why their HSTs whine so much. Or they could develop a better Mid MountMower, etc, etc ad nauseam

I like Kubota tractors, a lot, but if I ran the place and I found some of my engineers working on a new and improved oil formulation, I'd fire that whole department.

 

[fried1765]

When my M59 needed filters and fluid changed went to buy them. Fall the dealer offers 10% discount on parts and labor for their slow season. Casually asked how much they could do the service? They can pick up and deliver, change oil and filters for what they can sell me the oil and filters for! Their cost for super UDT in bulk tote offsets the labor and transportation. Allows them to keep their employees busy. They also washed and greased the tractor. Win win.

That is a great deal if your Kubota dealer is nearby.
Mine is 75 miles away!

 

[beenthere]

TSC may state their oil meets specs, but there is no governing or 3rd party that tests the oils against that spec.
Easy to make the claim, but taking your chances that the oil is up to the task.

Prolly a gamble that would never fail the customer, or your friend.

Compared to the total investment in the tractor, oil cost is very negligible.

 

[5030]

Compared to the total investment in the tractor, oil cost is very negligible.

Could not have said it better. Like your car or truck, oil and filters are the cheapest stuff you'll ever replace.

 

[Fallon]

Here's a dumb question: What's factory fill on new Kubotas?

I figure on the engine oil it's probably 10w-30 dino which, IMHO, is Fred Flintstone technology. As usual from our Japanese friends. (Factory Fill on New ISB Cummins is 5w-40 synthetic. It was Valvoline Extreme when I bought mine, I think it's T6 now)

I'd be curious to know what is in their hydraulics and their HST....

UDT or SUDT2 is the factory fill for hydraulics & the front axle. Factory spec is UDT, SUDT or gear lube. Hydraulic oil is less HP loss due to friction & using the same for the front axle & hydraulics means less fluids to stock for Kubota or the user. Lots switch to thicker gear oil if the front seals ever start leaking & that stops it.

Generally they (dealers & I think Kubota) recomend UDT for warm climates. SUDT2 for colder climates where you need the improved winter & freezing weather performance.

I'd imagine factory engine oil is Dino oil. It doesn't stay in long until the first oil change.

Not sure if it's an old wives tail or not, but you often hear a little less lubricity for Dino oil vs synthetic let's things seat in better on a new engine. Not sure if I believe that or not but it threads the line between beleavible or BS to me.

 

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Not sure if it's an old wives tail or not, but you often hear a little less lubricity for Dino oil vs synthetic let's things seat in better on a new engine. Not sure if I believe that or not but it threads the line between beleavible or BS to me.

I'd be more likely to believe it for a diesel than for a new car engine. The rings are seated in about 5 seconds but the camshaft is a different story altogether. Most new cars run roller cams in OHV. Overhead cam configurations vary but it's still not like the old days with flat tappet cams which really did need a break-in period. On a car, I wouldn't give 'break-in' a 2nd thought. In fact, a lot, (really a lot) of your premium cars come with synthetic as factory fill.

I'm only assuming that tractor diesels use flat tappet camshafts. So, when the first oil change comes around, I think I'd use a high quality synthetic for engine oil.

 

[PA-Kubota]

Final question, I think. Dealer quote list 2 HST filters as HHTA0-59900 and HHTA0-37710 which visibly they look the same. I presume once I get them off should be easy which one goes where and maybe even have part number on old filters.

 

[5030]

Usually, both filters are identical, one is high pressure intake flow and one is lower pressure final flow but both the same. One will usually (but not always) have a magnet ring or insert inside than needs to be cleaned.

 

[5030]

Lots switch to thicker gear oil if the front seals ever start leaking & that stops it.

In my application it has nothing to do with it. I use 90 weight gear oil in the front axle because gear oil absorbs shock loads better than Kubota fluid does. Never had one leak either. One of my M's has 6000 meter hours on it and the axle is bone dry far as the seals go.

 

[Unclewillie]

I'm going to help a friend do the 50hr service MX5400-HST and looks like going to need about 12gal. Beside Kubota oil, since tractor supply is close are any of their gear oil meet or exceed the Kubota spec? In my area dealer wants $264 whereas TSC is just over $100.

thanks

I'm most all cases the fluid being drained still has plenty of life left but the main reason is flushing out the breaking in loose metal flakes floating around or settled in filters ,in the bottom of the trans etc., When doing your own service the most important thing is cleaning the mesh screen and cleaning all the metal flakes out of that. If the screen stops up gonna be headache.

 

[kenmac]

On your friend's new Kubota tractor (50 hrs.), I would not even think about anything other than Kubota SUDT-2.
The tractor is obviously still under warranty.
If there should be a warranty problem, when Kubota discovers that TSC low bidder brand oil was used, it will be curtains for that warranty.
False economy!
In the grand scheme of things, Kubota SUDT-2 can be very cheap!

what they gonna do when there is a warranty issue and they find an oil other than kubota ? There are many tractors running around with cross oils in their system. When you borrow /rent a grapple, or another piece of equipment that connects to your tractor hydraulics, your hyd oil is now contaminated with other hyd oils of who knows what

 

[JJZ 109]

Don't change the hydraulic oil @ 50 hours. It's a supreme waste of $$$. Over 26 years experience at three dealers selling CaseIH, New Holland, Kubota and Mahindra. Dealerships have been around since 1963, 1970 and 2010. Not a single recommendation or work order for a hydraulic oil change at 50 hours except in rare instances with obvious contamination.

After my experience yesterday I would agree with you Rick. Bought a low hour (28) BX2380 last July. Changed fluids yesterday at 68 hours. Damned if I could tell the difference between the new UDT 2 and the oil that I removed.
But what's done is done. Engine oil/filter changed along with hydraulic fluid and filter. A check of the strainer showed basically nothing on it.
And FWIW to those interested in changing these fluids, I found the UDT 2 in boxes of 3 gallons and a BX filter kit at Coleman Equipment online for about the best price.

 

[Unclewillie]

what they gonna do when there is a warranty issue and they find an oil other than kubota ? There are many tractors running around with cross oils in their system. When you borrow /rent a grapple, or another piece of equipment that connects to your tractor hydraulics, your hyd oil is now contaminated with other hyd oils of who knows what

they likely would try to avoid your warranty but long as you can show the proper requirement fluid, filters, etc., Was used they will in most cases be ok, but there's the few you'd have to sue or threaten to ,long as they know you know the law on those things everyone will have a better relationship. I suspect not much can be done renting and swapping fluids.

 

[kenmac]

they likely would try to avoid your warranty but long as you can show the proper requirement fluid, filters, etc., Was used they will in most cases be ok, but there's the few you'd have to sue or threaten to ,long as they know you know the law on those things everyone will have a better relationship. I suspect not much can be done renting and swapping fluids.

Thing is. Most people that use their tractors, either borrow, or remt equipment that hooks to their tractor's hyd system. At that point, your hyd oil is contaminated. So, unless you purchase every item you connect to your system. you will most likely 9at some point) contaminate your hyd oil . Or, you change your hyd oil each time you use others equipment.

Having sad that,
Anyone can deny any warranty claim for any reason. You would have to hire a lawyer and sue to have repairs made.
I once owned a new Dodge Ram 1500 (1995 mod.) 3 year, 36 mo. bumper to bumper warranty.
About 1.5 years the dash cracked. I returned to the dealer for replacement. The dealer denied the claim saying I must have had the dash out and cracked it, as they had never seen a dash crack on it's own.
I requested an appeal from a factory rep. Two days later, I met with the factory rep at the same dealership. I believe the person that denied my claim and the factory rep have their game plan together, as the factory rep told me the exact same thing.

How many have owned a dodge truck from 75-97 ? era that the dash didn't just crack on it's own ? Yeah, I know, almost (if not) every one of them.

So, any company can offer any warranty they want. Stand behind said warranty is a different story !

 

[Midniteoyl]

Thing is. Most people that use their tractors, either borrow, or remt equipment that hooks to their tractor's hyd system. At that point, your hyd oil is contaminated. So, unless you purchase every item you connect to your system. you will most likely 9at some point) contaminate your hyd oil . Or, you change your hyd oil each time you use others equipment.

Having sad that,
Anyone can deny any warranty claim for any reason. You would have to hire a lawyer and sue to have repairs made.
I once owned a new Dodge Ram 1500 (1995 mod.) 3 year, 36 mo. bumper to bumper warranty.
About 1.5 years the dash cracked. I returned to the dealer for replacement. The dealer denied the claim saying I must have had the dash out and cracked it, as they had never seen a dash crack on it's own.
I requested an appeal from a factory rep. Two days later, I met with the factory rep at the same dealership. I believe the person that denied my claim and the factory rep have their game plan together, as the factory rep told me the exact same thing.

How many have owned a dodge truck from 75-97 ? era that the dash didn't just crack on it's own ? Yeah, I know, almost (if not) every one of them.

So, any company can offer any warranty they want. Stand behind said warranty is a different story !

I had a '97 Ram whose driver rear window (push out wing type) shattered going over some RR tracks. They were skeptical, but replaced it.

 

[Unclewillie]

Thing is. Most people that use their tractors, either borrow, or remt equipment that hooks to their tractor's hyd system. At that point, your hyd oil is contaminated. So, unless you purchase every item you connect to your system. you will most likely 9at some point) contaminate your hyd oil . Or, you change your hyd oil each time you use others equipment.

Having sad that,
Anyone can deny any warranty claim for any reason. You would have to hire a lawyer and sue to have repairs made.
I once owned a new Dodge Ram 1500 (1995 mod.) 3 year, 36 mo. bumper to bumper warranty.
About 1.5 years the dash cracked. I returned to the dealer for replacement. The dealer denied the claim saying I must have had the dash out and cracked it, as they had never seen a dash crack on it's own.
I requested an appeal from a factory rep. Two days later, I met with the factory rep at the same dealership. I believe the person that denied my claim and the factory rep have their game plan together, as the factory rep told me the exact same thing.

How many have owned a dodge truck from 75-97 ? era that the dash didn't just crack on it's own ? Yeah, I know, almost (if not) every one of them.

So, any company can offer any warranty they want. Stand behind said warranty is a different story !

Yep, your last statement sums it all up "So any company can offer any warranty they want. Stand behind said warranty is a different story".

 

[m1garand762]

The oil doesn’t get changed at 50 hours and. A 5 gallon bucket of Super udt 2 is $89 bucks at the dealer just bought one yesterday

 

[fried1765]

The oil doesn’t get changed at 50 hours and. A 5 gallon bucket of Super udt 2 is $89 bucks at the dealer just bought one yesterday

That is a GREAT deal!
I bought two 5 gal. buckets in March on a promotion, and they were $99 each.

 

[familyman]

I'll throw in here.

I tried another oil to save some money. Got a big snow storm followed by temps in the teens. FEL was so weak and sluggish it took me forever to clear the snow. BH seems down on curling power and slower swing, even when warm out.

Went back to Kubota fluid, huge improvement.