Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Gale Hawkins]

If this is true, we should begin selling stocks of oil companies short.

MoKelly

Be careful because big oil is putting billions into the EV makers. They know fossil fuels future.

 

[drssg]

Thanks I have a lot of learning to do about investing.

We all have a lot of learning to do about lots of things.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Self-Driving Cars' Look, Feel Becomes Clearer in U.S. Safety Rules

Full Self Driving is being better defined in USA.

 

[groundcover]

Kind of interesting.

Ford F-15 PowerBoost: Enough AC Outlets to Fuel a Monster Tailgating Party - WSJ

 

[bridge4]

Self-Driving Cars' Look, Feel Becomes Clearer in U.S. Safety Rules

Full Self Driving is being better defined in USA.

This should be universal.

"can it do what a human can"

If the answer is no its not self driving period. The way these tech companies and car companies try to trick people is IMO criminal and leads to assholes cruising down the highway while asleep.

 

[drssg]

I wouldn't say the car companies are tricking people. The autopilot-type options have features designed to ensure the driver is taking part in driving. They have to keep a hand on the wheel and take some active role in steering the car. I don't know how people get around those features. There is a saying that it's tough to make something idiot-proof, because idiots are so ingenious. I think some people go out of their way to stake their life on this immature technology.

I am not aware of any cases where the auto maker is successfully sued for an autopilot crash.

I AM surprised that Tesla's option retrieve a the car with no driver in a parking lot is legal (I can't remember what it's called). Even if the parking lot is private property, it's still open to the public. I've seen near miss videos from people using that option, and it doesn't look like a good idea to me. It's also an impractical novelty, IMHO.

 

[Grumpycat]

I wouldn't say the car companies are tricking people. The autopilot-type options have features designed to ensure the driver is taking part in driving. They have to keep a hand on the wheel and take some active role in steering the car. I don't know how people get around those features. There is a saying that it's tough to make something idiot-proof, because idiots are so ingenious. I think some people go out of their way to stake their life on this immature technology.

Hang about 1 pound of weight on one side of the steering wheel. Autopilot is fooled when "you" keep trying to tug it out of the lane. A larger input on the steering wheel will surrender the car to your control.

I AM surprised that Tesla's option retrieve a the car with no driver in a parking lot is legal (I can't remember what it's called). Even if the parking lot is private property, it's still open to the public. I've seen near miss videos from people using that option, and it doesn't look like a good idea to me. It's also an impractical novelty, IMHO.

Is called "Summons". You still have to drive it albeit with your phone, but if you choose to do so then you are choosing to do so. The cars so equipped have about 12 cameras and I-don't-know what else. Thing that scares me is how it can park within 2" of the wall of your garage.

 

[drssg]

Hang about 1 pound of weight on one side of the steering wheel. Autopilot is fooled when "you" keep trying to tug it out of the lane. A larger input on the steering wheel will surrender the car to your control.

Wow, I'm amazed at the lengths people will go.

I find it odd that I don't hear about crashes from other auto makers that have features similar to Tesla's autopilot. I can see three possibilities:

1. Tesla's marketing strategy makes it a bigger magnet for publicity.
2. Tesla's feature works differently than others in a manner that instills over-confidence.
3. Tesla somehow attracts a "special" class of drivers.

In regards to Option 2, I read a review once that compared Mercedes' Drive Pilot with Tesla's Autopilot. The reviewer stated that the Tesla drove arrow straight down the center of the lane, but the Mercedes wandered a bit within the lane. The reviewer claimed that this was by design to prevent the driver from thinking he has a self-driving car.

I will say that Tesla generally seems to be more risk-tolerant. I signed up for a Tesla test drive before the Model 3 was available. They were perfectly happy to let me drive a $120,000 S model, even though I told them up front that I had no intention of buying it. I just wanted to see the general feel to get a hint as to whether I was willing to wait for a Model 3.

Mercedes had a blanket rule that customers are not allowed to test drive any vehicle with Drive Pilot. So I did two test drives with them. I drove a model without Drive Pilot, and I watched the salesman drive a model with it.

Is called "Summons". You still have to drive it albeit with your phone, but if you choose to do so then you are choosing to do so. The cars so equipped have about 12 cameras and I-don't-know what else. Thing that scares me is how it can park within 2" of the wall of your garage.

I personally wouldn't call it "driving" from outside the car, using your cell phone. At a bare minimum, I think it's rude for owners to test this beta functionality in a public parking lot. IMO, they should test this novelty functionality on their own property or on a closed course of some sort.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

BP'''s oil exploration team swept aside in climate revolution | Reuters

The long term bet against fossil fuels usage continues from top down. I have say EVs have gained mind share faster than I expected in the generations that will be buying cars 15-20 years from now.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

US Government Cybertrucks? Tesla Stock Rises, Pelosi Buys TSLA Calls - YouTube

This is one guy that I follow. Sounds like the US tax payers are going to be saving as Washington DC greens up with New American made EV's.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Sounds like the US taxpayers will be overpaying for new vehicles.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Sounds like the US taxpayers will be overpaying for new vehicles.

Why you said that?

 

[cqaigy2]

Powered by Salt Water

 

[Grumpycat]

Why you said that?

That is the way these things work. Government orders arbitrary action. Then is forced to spent any amount of money the captive sellers demand. They know the buyer has been ordered to buy.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Tesla TeraTexas Construction by Drone - Warm Winter Day Over GigaTexas Elon Musk Creation Cybertruck - YouTube

Here's heavy equipment moving like ants developing the 4 square mile vehicle factory that is to become the largest in the world.

 

[bridge4]

Good video

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Technological Breakthrough Allows Seamless Conversion of Ammonia to Green Hydrogen

This sounds positive for all kinds of EV'S especially planes trucks, ships and trains due lithium ion battery manufacturing short falls for the rest of this decade.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

The news for hydrogen fuel cells keeps coming. The phasing out of Natural Gas usage over time is going to free up fossil fuel infrastructure for greener options.

 

[user.69169]

Hydrogen thing took big step back few years ago when Hydrogen fuel station blew apart back end of Rochester Airport. GM paid to remove resedue and den moved Hydrogen lab out of town fast. Speculation is GM not real good in Hydrogen after dey showed how good it worked getting Congressman from Rochester to Swamp in Hydrogen car. Dey needed 5 hydrogen cars, 3 trailers and 3 pickups to make trip cause dey got no idea AirGas sells Hydrogen along de route.

Now GM got new electric from coal car coming out. Dey even pretty sure you can park in in garage attached to house unlike Chevy Volt self lighting model. Keep your fingers crossed.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I expect it will be 2050 before the non fossil fuels subplants fossel fuels. If Ford and GM are going to have a shot of staying in the business they will need to be leading the EV industry by 2030 in the $20K to $30K price range for EVs. New car sales are going to tank when many players are pushing out the Robotaxi concept mid 20's. Apple is setting on more cash than all auto makers in the world perhaps. They understand the value of cash holdings maybe down by 50% by 2030. Bill Gates is the person holding the largest number of acres of farmland in the USA for a reason. The stock market is over the top because people know Zero or negative interest rates are knocking the kids inheritance in the head. With some investment firms seeing Tesla heading to $2500 per share it is still a low risk stock long term until they have real competition.