Starlink

   / Starlink #501  
A few day ago, I received an invitation to join Starlink's Beta testing program. I did not read the invitation clearly and just clicked on the link to see the details. That was a bit of a scramble, because you have 15 minutes from the time you land on their page to accept the offer before they withdraw it and offer it to someone else (then you have to wait for the next round of offers in your area, if there is one, or wait for the full fledged rollout.) This was mentioned in the email I received, but I missed that part in my haste to see what was up.

Why do you only get 15 min to decide whether you want or don't want this service? That would be a MAJOR red flag to me, you would think if this was a legit outfit an offer was an offer, even for Musk this is sleazy. Almost no time to investigate. How did they get your name/address for this "offer"?

I agree with grsthegreat, there's less to this than meets the eye.

I suspect that if Fiber to the home ever makes it to our area, we'll probably jump ship and switch to that.

Is your current phone/DSL provider Vtel? They seem to be quite proactive in running fiber, even to places that are relatively off the beaten path.
 
   / Starlink #502  
I signed into starlink about 6 months ago to get more info. Than a few day ago i get an offer to join beta testing. They gave me to that same day to decide, than offer was void. This was the major red flag as far as i was concerned.
 
   / Starlink #503  
Hey...how else can he bring high speed Internet to all those third world countries?...somebody has to pay for all those poor folks that are starving to death to be able to stream netflix and youtube etc...

He wants the money to go to Mars. I say give him a free ticket. One way.
 
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#504  
Q. How much does Starlink cost?

A. The current Starlink Kit, which includes the Starlink, wifi router, power supply, cabling and mounting tripod can be purchased for $499 with the associated service for $99/month. There are no contracts and customers can return the Starlink Kit for a full refund within 30 days. You will have the option to purchase additional hardware (such as roof mounts) in the Starlink Shop.

Starlink Beta Frequently Asked Questions : Starlink
 
   / Starlink #505  
He wants the money to go to Mars. I say give him a free ticket. One way.

His original spiel on starlink was to bring "affordable" highspeed Internet to indigent countries world wide...you don't build, launch and outfit that many satellites for nothing...do the fanboys shilling for the current beta testing think all those dirt poor people around the globe can pay for the hardware and a hundred bucks a month to stream youtube ?

Funding for his 'Starship' program is more likely to come from moon based mining operations before any fantasy of creating a sustained colony on Mars etc...

Not trying to make an political points but the way things are going he (Musk) could find himself having to share a spectrum of all those proposed satellites with other providers in order to keep from having a monopoly...
 
   / Starlink #506  
Why do you only get 15 min to decide whether you want or don't want this service? That would be a MAJOR red flag to me, you would think if this was a legit outfit an offer was an offer, even for Musk this is sleazy. Almost no time to investigate. How did they get your name/address for this "offer"?

I agree with grsthegreat, there's less to this than meets the eye.



Is your current phone/DSL provider Vtel? They seem to be quite proactive in running fiber, even to places that are relatively off the beaten path.

Double minded people looking to be gifted $2000 by Elon Musk sounds like a bad gamble on his part does it not?
 
   / Starlink #507  
I got the same invite. Than i read up about it. Nearly 600 out of pocket, no guarantee it will always work, no info on data caps. Actually not much info about anything. All i can see is the same crap he pulls on teslas. Charges for updates. Changes options down the line. Desiding to have data caps and your stuck paying 100 a month.
I deleted my invite.

There is no guarantee ANY internet provider will "always work", as I have discovered the hard way: first with my dial up service (I maxed out at half speed on our 56K modem - on a good day, and it stopped working at all on a regular basis), then with "Wildblue" satellite (which was 3mbps download, but had such latency issues that a "live" conference was unwieldy, and stopped working when there were storms either in our neighborhood or at their ground station in Texas), and now our DSL: 7 down/1 up (that's the spec, and occasionally we actually get it - often it's half that, and it goes down completely when we get wet weather or it's windy out. It's unreliable enough that everyone in our neighborhood is on a first name basis with our phone company's service techs in our area. The central issue in the lack of reliability is a stretch of aging copper line in part of the 2.5 mile run from the end of the nearest fiber to our neighborhood. The are no spare good copper pairs in that line, and the ones we are using for our service are not in that good a shape either. The phone company will not invest in replacing that stretch of line for as few people as there are out here. I don't blame them - it's a big money loser for them.)

As for the price and the potential data caps: The Beta service has no caps (likely no need, since there are not many users yet). IF it happens, no one uses a hard cap. It's more likely the speed will be throttled, either intentionally by Starlink, or simply by the fact that too many people are trying to use the same pipeline at the same time. If we get throttled to even 10% of their target speed once all the satellites are up, that's still far better than what we have now (Our DSL spec is 7/1, but it's not all that often we get that). It's worth it to me to upgrade from the only other viable option we have here (I don't consider Hughes Net "viable"). In fact, it's worth it to me to sign up for their Beta test and still pay for our DSL service until I see how it's working out, and they fill out their satellite network. As noted in my previous post, if fiber to the home ever gets here, I will most likely leave Starlink and switch to that, as it's likely less expensive (and possibly fast, though we currently have no need for faster speeds than what Starlink is offering)

As for Musk and his Teslas: I don't give a darn. I don't own one. As for charging for updates and changing options down the line, how is that any different from ANY car manufacturer? None of them give anything away for free, except in the case of recalls (which Tesla also does). We do own a Chevy Bolt electric vehicle (before someone throws a fit, don't worry we also own a 1951 Dodge M37 former Korean War military pickup. Our friends joke that I got it to offset my wife's reduction in our carbon footprint with her Bolt.) Personally, I like Tesla's option and upgrade package better than the Chevy's: When my Tesla owning friend sees a new option come out, in most cases he can get it for his car. Whether it's a major software upgrade or something else. On our Bolt, all we can get is minor software tweaks (which we pay for, unless it's a safety recall). When a major new feature comes out in their software, the only way for us to get it is to buy a new car.

Originally Posted by John_Mc
The cost was $499 for hardware, plus shipping & tax beings total to $581.94. Then $99/month for service.
That's a no-go.

I'm sure the price is an obstacle for some, and if you have other reliable high speed options, there is no need to pay Starlink's price. When you work from home for a company several states away, have two kids doing their schooling online several days per week (not to mention their recreational use), a wife who would occasionally like to use the internet as well, and no other high speed options, it's a bargain. It certainly beats driving down to the high-speed public WiFi in the local elementary school parking lot to do my business meetings via a laptop plugged in to an inverter for recharging from the car (and starting the car every once in a while to recharge the laptop and heat up the car).

If I get a year from this and then fiber comes to our neighborhood and I jump ship, I'll still consider it money well spent. If I can sell the Starlink gear to someone else who needs it, so much the better.
 
   / Starlink #509  
X2 on John_Mc's comments. Nearly the same boat here. It beats, by a lot, any of the other points we have available in terms of speed, latency, and $/Mb/s. Our one local option is charging closer to $964/mo for the same service.

If Starlink doesn't seem worth it to you now, by all means pass. It means I am one slot closer.:)

Whether Starlink funds a trip to Mars, or not, isn't really the issue for me. "Can I get work done remotely?" is the issue for me.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Starlink #510  
My current microwave unit gets me a steady 5+ down and 2 up. Our friends dsl gets him a good 12 down and 1 up. If they bring the new hub closer like they promise, ill hook up.

I had hughes net, and any storm meant no service. I wonder if starlink will be the same. My microwave unit does not get affected in bad weather.

There were no upfront cost on my hookup, only a signed 2 year contract. I also have a super low ping time....like less than 10. My hugheslink it was over 200+ ms.

Just ran this now

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#511  
Starlink does not have data caps but they might in the future but I think this will be use for people abusing the network. If Starlink put in data caps that prevented people from streaming videos, they will drastically reduce their market.

There will have to be a way to control the abusers. Hopefully that will be possible without data caps on legitimate customers.

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Q. Will there be data caps?

A. Starlink team in November 2020: "At this time, the Starlink beta service does not have data caps" followed by "So we really don't want to implement restrictive data caps like people have encountered with satellite internet in the past. Right now we're still trying to figure a lot of stuff out--we might have to do something in the future to prevent abuse and just ensure that everyone else gets quality service."

faq - Starlink
 
   / Starlink #512  
ill just wait until its been out and in heavy use before i fully decide. i bought into the hughes net too early. it originally had great speed and reliability, than it kept degrading as more people signed up. then it got unusable.
 
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#513  
ill just wait until its been out and in heavy use before i fully decide. i bought into the hughes net too early. it originally had great speed and reliability, than it kept degrading as more people signed up. then it got unusable.

If your current setup is adequate then waiting is plausible. FYI the official name of the public beta test is "Better Than Nothing". :)
 
   / Starlink #514  
If Starlink doesn't seem worth it to you now, by all means pass. It means I am one slot closer.:)

Whether Starlink funds a trip to Mars, or not, isn't really the issue for me. "Can I get work done remotely?" is the issue for me.
ill just wait until its been out and in heavy use before i fully decide. i bought into the hughes net too early. it originally had great speed and reliability, than it kept degrading as more people signed up. then it got unusable.

I don't really have a dog in this fight since we have cable here (and have for about 8yr), but between the upfront cost and the rather steep monthly rate I'd hold off until I knew this actually worked and wasn't just more vaporware (as well as the price coming down to something that could remotely be called affordable). What's the real-world latency on this? If you're doing remote work or trying to use VOIP that's a lot more important than speed.
 
   / Starlink #515  
they say latency WILL be 20-40 in the next few months. right now its between 40 and 60 according to the email i received. im at 9 now. and thats too long. and musk hopes for 12,000 satellites to complete system. 12,000 OMG. like theres not enough junk up there right now
 
   / Starlink #516  
PING ms 39
DOWNLOAD Mbps 25.22
UPLOAD Mbps 1.77


That's what I just got for my DSL. It's fine for me for just goofing around at places like this. The guy is just too creepy for me to sign on there even if they gave me the system. .
 
   / Starlink #517  
I'm still on the Mobley plan with the SIM card in a Netgear 4GLTE modem for a whopping $23 a month.

ping 39
down 68
up 27

Why would I change a thing?
 
   / Starlink #518  
I'm about the same situation as John Mc and Ponytug. Out internet is very slow and there is nothing else available except Hughsnet and people I know that have it are not happy. We have limited cell service and can only get service if we go up the hill or use a booster. My daughter works from home and needs internet and my granddaughter is doing school work over the internet , sometimes it works ok most of the time it is challenging for them.
 
   / Starlink #519  
I'm still on the Mobley plan with the SIM card in a Netgear 4GLTE modem for a whopping $23 a month.

ping 39
down 68
up 27

Why would I change a thing?
no at&t where im at. only thing working here is verizon
 

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