Backhoe fell over and died.

   / Backhoe fell over and died. #11  
When you don't have the hoe on does the loader work correctly?
Is your setup one of the ones that you have to connect a bypass loop when you do not have the hoe on?
When you attempted to connect to the hoses was your loader still functional?
I am assuming that the two hoses you hooked up to from the hoe did not go to the same fittings as your bypass line does.

Do you have a pressure feed at the rear of your tractor?
There was a discussion recently were the tractor had 3 fittings at the rear,
a power (pressure feed),
a return to tank,
and a power beyond.

That hoe hooked up to the power (pressure feed) and the return to tank,
with the hoe removed the bypass line went from pressure to power beyond to power the 3 point.
 
   / Backhoe fell over and died.
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Do you have a piece of telephone pole or something as substantual, and some 20' straps? If you do, I would strap the front of hte tractor to the boom of the hoe, then prop the pole under the strap at about a 45 degree angle. Backing the tractor up should give you the leverage you need to lift the hoe back upright.

Also simple thing. Are the remote lines engaged? Are the hoses properly coupled? If fluid is flowing, hydraulics is hydraulics, and it should move. Decoupled if you move the lever for power beyond it should dead head the pump, if you do it gently and briefly you should hear it in the engine. I'm not familiar with power beyond as nothing I have is fancy as that, but I would make sure you have flow at the ports.

Thanks neighbor, good idea about straps and pole. My location makes it difficult, a level spot on 'terraced' hillside. I'll think about it may need to buy a strap, my chains would be too rough.
Don't believe there's a 'lever' for the power beyond on a Deere; if there is I'm going to shoot myself!
They told me the effects of three operations in two weeks under general anesthesia would wear off in a year. Sigh, it's been two plus and I'm just starting to remember why I went into the kitchen.
 
   / Backhoe fell over and died. #13  
Could be air in the system and needs to be bled out...

SR
 
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SR Most remedies for air pocket removal state "cycle the levers back and forth and eventually the air will bleed back to the reservoir." Well, nothing will cycle, let alone move.
 
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   / Backhoe fell over and died. #16  
Right now, you can't even confirm that your seeing hydraulic pressure at your rear remotes. And your hydraulics required four gals just to top off the reservoir. There maybe leaks somewhere in your tractor hydraulic system.

Consider calling Reading Tractor and Equipment located near you. They have a mobile tractor mechanic, complete with all tools, and he is an expert on tractor hydraulic systems regardless of brand. He has most hydraulic system parts and test equipment on board. I suggest using them them for this task, due to health concerns.

He can troubleshoot and repair everything on the tractor and the backhoe related to hydraulics. After he makes all repairs, ask him to just get the backhoe remounted on the blocks for easy connections in the future.

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   / Backhoe fell over and died. #17  
First thing you seemingly have to do is figure out how to make the hoe hydraulics functional. Then second figure a way to get it lifted back up vertical again. Both seemingly have to happen in that order.
Sounds like you have not figured out the hydraulics issue.. is the tractor you are trying to connect hydraulics to the same one that the hoe was on prior to the medical problem?
Hope you get your health back soon.
 
   / Backhoe fell over and died. #18  
My Deere 475 backhoe which was resting on landscape timber fell over during the two plus years I've been convalescing after a stroke and open heart surgery (aortic valve replacement). The bucket is turned fully to the right and I was unable to 'stand the backhoe up' in order to attach it to the tractor. I am unable to use the loader as the weight of the backhoe just wants to tip the tractor over. I found a couple five foot 1/4" new hydraulic hoses in the workshop, purchased the necessary fittings to hook up the hoe's 1/2" hoses to the 1/2" power beyond and 1/2" return coupling of the 4520 compact tractor. I figure I can use the tractor to power the hoe to 'stand itself up' using timbers and it's own hydraulics.
Alas, nothing happens when trying the hoe's levers.
Topped off the fluid level, took 4 gallons! No difference. I can't believe the restriction of the 1/4" hose is preventing ANY hydraulic action of the hoe's controls. I found no pinched hoses, no leaking fluid, and am out of ideas. What should I try next? :confused:

Are you sure you're getting hydraulic power to the hoe from the tractor?

Do you have another hydraulic implement that you can hook up to test if there's output from the tractor?
 
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Do you have a piece of telephone pole or something as substantual, and some 20' straps? If you do, I would strap the front of hte tractor to the boom of the hoe, then prop the pole under the strap at about a 45 degree angle. Backing the tractor up should give you the leverage you need to lift the hoe back upright.

Also simple thing. Are the remote lines engaged? Are the hoses properly coupled? If fluid is flowing, hydraulics is hydraulics, and it should move. Decoupled if you move the lever for power beyond it should dead head the pump, if you do it gently and briefly you should hear it in the engine. I'm not familiar with power beyond as nothing I have is fancy as that, but I would make sure you have flow at the ports.

What he said. :thumbsup:
 
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First thing you seemingly have to do is figure out how to make the hoe hydraulics functional. Then second figure a way to get it lifted back up vertical again. Both seemingly have to happen in that order.
Sounds like you have not figured out the hydraulics issue.. is the tractor you are trying to connect hydraulics to the same one that the hoe was on prior to the medical problem?
Hope you get your health back soon.

Thank you gentlemen for your replies and concern about my well being.

Beenthere: That is EXACTLY what I'm trying to do. The hoe came off the same tractor, all hydraulics on the hydro-static tractor work including the fel and the remotes, even when 4 gallons shy. My objective is to get the hoe controls responding.

rademamj1: I wish I could hire, but money is an issue. I'm not sure how to test for flow through the power beyond circuit, all of my other attachments use the remote circuits (different couplers) and appear to work fine even with the low fluid level.
The power beyond on this Deere , when not in use , is just a loop of hose which is in the hydraulic circuit, the hoe simply replaces that loop when attached.

The only thing that changed is the hoe fell over and was left on it's side for a long while, the tractor seems fine in all respects.
 

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