LS Tractor Floppy Bucket Syndrome?

[jaydee325]

What you are showing in the video is very common to low cost open center hydraulic circuits,,
The reason the bucket moves like that is air in the hydraulic cylinders, and hoses.

Two $1.50 restrictor fittings will cure the issue, and, depending on how you use the tractor, possibly only one is needed,,

Or, I just hold the lever in dump for an extra 2 seconds and it's solid. No biggie in the overall scheme of things! I mean most of us are not using these low cost machines in a commercial setting. Anyone who is doing commercial work, needs to look up the food chain for a machine that has high performance closed center hydraulics (or equivalent).

There is very little air pulled into the cylinder actually. The weight during dump pulling on the cylinder pulls a void (vacuum) that holding the control valve in dump keeps adding fluid to fill the void until the cylinder is solid.

You are correct, low cost hydraulics to meet a price point is a given. Understanding this prevents most frustration.

 

[TractorGuy]

My JD does it sometime. Only experience it every now and then so not sure the cause or fix. Been told it's in the regenerative portion of the SCV whatever that is.

 

[brs78660]

Get rid of it already! Put it out of your misery.

I am planning on it, but I don't feel right selling it with these issues if they can be fixed. I am fixing the AC and other things I have tried to get fixed under warranty before I try to sell it.

 

[Doofy]

I am planning on it, but I don't feel right selling it with these issues if they can be fixed. I am fixing the AC and other things I have tried to get fixed under warranty before I try to sell it.

Good luck in fixing all those irritating problems. To bad this brand has let you down so badly. If the Dealer can't get off dead center, he is no friend. Way to much buck passing going on.

 

[brs78660]

My JD does it sometime. Only experience it every now and then so not sure the cause or fix. Been told it's in the regenerative portion of the SCV whatever that is.

I had a new John Deere 3032e before this LS and I cut in many driveways; never saw this issue. That tractor was only $17k with loader and shredder. 5 years or so before that I had 12 acres and a Kubota BX2200 with loader and I never saw it do it either. Again, I used it for all kinds of land work. I honestly have never had to deal with that until this LS and its a real pain (or was until I bought the skid steer).

Is this more with the cheaper brands like LS, Kioti, Branson? Does this mean the New Hollands with the same LSMtron body would do it or is it fixed on their loaders?

I am making a LS buyers guide to try and help people at least weed through the basic issues we all see form the start instead of them having to find out all this later as they go. In 2016 there was not much out there other than I love my LS with 5 hours type of videos or forum posts.

 

[brs78660]

Good luck in fixing all those irritating problems. To bad this brand has let you down so badly. If the Dealer can't get off dead center, he is no friend. Way to much buck passing going on.

Thanks. Even though I never outed my LS dealer, they won't respond to me. Its fine though, if they could not fix it before they can't now. I am going to sell this and find me a nice 90s-ish john deere and keep it running myself.

 

[sodamo]

Thanks. Even though I never outed my LS dealer, they won't respond to me. Its fine though, if they could not fix it before they can't now. I am going to sell this and find me a nice 90s-ish john deere and keep it running myself.

But you have identified your dealer. On 1/21 you posted:

I bought my XR4140HC from John. RCO is a good dealer.

Glad to read you considered him a good dealer then, regardless of later posts.

As I see it that was 3-4 years into this tractor, yet never a post seeking info or relating to a problem. You did post you are a long time user, just curious why you read about other issues but chose not to post any. You did post your link to your half done tool box though. Which I like and had hoped for the promised update. Still on my list to do. Toying with idea of doing in 2 sections, strong magnet in middle.

Will you be providing the buyer of your machine with a complete detailed list of issues? Copy of your buyers guide? Can’t imagine you’d get as much as Dealer offered with full disclosure. Guess it’s likely you won’t tell use if you buy that next tractor from a kindred soul.

Often times, there are 3 sides to a story...we are only getting 1 1/2.

Its not your discussion of issues that’s irksome, that can be educational and something we appreciate. Its your overly negative attitude that detracts.

 

[Diggin It]

Its your overly negative attitude that detracts.

Kind of like me and WallyWorld. I have nothing good to say about them. Nothing at all, no matter how well others like them.

 

[mred2]

I think we are looking at a problem with all open systems. Most of the larger and more expensive equipment uses closed systems. Open systems have their issues, but costs less. They are used in a lot more than just LS. I am aware of it, but just curl my bucket. It operates as it always has.

 

[brs78660]

But you have identified your dealer. On 1/21 you posted:

Glad to read you considered him a good dealer then, regardless of later posts.

As I see it that was 3-4 years into this tractor, yet never a post seeking info or relating to a problem. You did post you are a long time user, just curious why you read about other issues but chose not to post any. You did post your link to your half done tool box though. Which I like and had hoped for the promised update. Still on my list to do. Toying with idea of doing in 2 sections, strong magnet in middle.

Will you be providing the buyer of your machine with a complete detailed list of issues? Copy of your buyers guide? Can’t imagine you’d get as much as Dealer offered with full disclosure. Guess it’s likely you won’t tell use if you buy that next tractor from a kindred soul.

Often times, there are 3 sides to a story...we are only getting 1 1/2.

Its not your discussion of issues that’s irksome, that can be educational and something we appreciate. Its your overly negative attitude that detracts.

Wow, good find. I did not know I posted that. I need to update that because I now know that is BS now. I refereed people to them for years even though I was dealing with all this with my tractor because I believed the BS I was being fed. That is back when I still thought they were trying to help me. Basically I was lied to face to face. I got good salesman talk for many years while I was still frustrated with issues. I did not post my issues because I was still under the illusion they were trying to help. I had also planned on selling the tractor years back but I never got it fixed correctly from the dealer.


And for your second part, yes I will actually. I will first FIX the issues. I have the AC compressor on order. I am working on fixing my long time overheating issue myself even though its under warranty. I am trying to find a real fix for the floppy bucket crap loader. I have a list of things I plan to fix before I sell it. What I can't fix I will show the buyer.

Unlike some, I can't bring myself to sell this to someone in its condition. I know what I have dealt with and am not going to dump that on someone. Now I can't offer them hope on longevity, but it will be sold as-is. If I can't sell it I will offload it on a dealer and let them BS the buyer.