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   / Corona Virus #6 #541  
One major point that I have not seen mentioned in regards to the various n95 breathing masks;
many of the industrial type for general work have an EXHAUST VALVE if an individual who has the corona virus is wearing such a mask it is seriously compromising the so called safety aspect of wearing one.
If the mask you are looking at has the exhale valve it might as well be used to prevent getting the virus rather then preventing the spread.
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #542  
Wife went to the grocery store. Got everything she went for. There were limits on many items (example, jugs of water which are necessary for CPAP users) Of course there wasn't any toilet paper, and kleenex was limit 1 too. But overall it wasn't bad.
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #543  
thanks Buppies. That was a kindness.

I read the helpful explanation of masks above and was left with the core part about submicron particles which clearly could get through a N95 mask.
But even though they are smaller, they look kind of sticky in the pictures...wouldn't at least some or most get caught on the mesh going through?
so you can't bet the farm on masks but seems to be much better than nothing. I came away with the impression if you weren't wearing something at least as good
as a paint respirator, with the vapor cartridges, you weren't fully protected. I have something even better than that but who wants to wear it in public?

if we all wore them, much safer. That's why every pic of China shows everyone wearing them.



Folks with beards have a real problem here. No seal, no protection.

Unfortunately, no. You have to look at things from a perspective of scale. The mask filters particles down to 0.3 microns. Evaporated particles can easily be down to 0.03 micrometers (30 nanometers) or smaller. In this case, if you have a mesh trying to stop a particle, the spacing between the "grid lines" on the mesh is 10 times as large as the droplet passing through. So yes, a random droplet from here and there may impact one of the mesh lines and stop a droplet, but the vast majority go straight through.

Think of throwing a handful of marbles at a net on a soccer goal. Pretty much every one is going to pass through.

In addition, can you ensure that you have a perfect, airtight seal all the way around the edge of the mask? The practical answer for all but essentially custom-fit masks, is no. Those gaps are going to be much much larger than the droplets, which will again enable them to enter in as you breathe. So again, the protection is almost non-existent.

Again, the one benefit is when exhaling particles. As they leave your mouth they are large, and the velocity at the exit of your mouth is aimed right at the mask, so they are much more likely to hit the mask. This will stop the vast bulk of the droplets before they evaporate and become very tiny particles.

In an ideal world, I think everyone wearing a mask should drastically drop the spread, as previously mentioned. However, with the short supply, we have to unfortunately be practical and utilize them in the areas where the risk is highest.
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #544  
Guys,

Appreciate your concerns. Just a bit of background.

I live in a very remote part of the state. 3 houses on the 2.5 mile road to my place and I am I surrounded by 1000's of acres of state land. My neighbor is not far from my mailbox...which is 2.5 miles away. This neighbor has been taking precautions (as we have). He is worried as well and being careful. If there are other cars at the neighbors we had already decided not to go in.

Closest town is Johannesburg...12 miles away. It has a population density of 14 people per square mile. No cases in our county (10k) and 1 case in the next county from a man at our church who had returned from a mission to Ethiopia...none of the others on the mission tested positive.

Like I said, we are remote. I know that it only takes one contact to screw things up so we will be careful.

I cannot imagine living without any other human interaction for another 3-4 weeks....maybe longer????? TBN is a great outlet but not the same as a friend.
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #545  
Something I never thought about... just got a wedding invitation for my cousins son up in Pennsylvania in June. He's going for his master degree out west and his fiancé is going to school out there as well.

What the heck do you do if you're planning a wedding in the next couple of months? I'm lucky, my wife and I only had about 70 or so people and (we even didn't need to have a wedding but my father would of prefered one and so did her parents), relatively small and cheap, but man, some women really get into BIG weddings.

We had a large wedding back in '85. Invited 500. Sat for 365. Filled a basketball court and then some.

Friend of mine's son and future daughter-in-law just had to postpone their wedding last week. Was supposed to be in early April. Postponed indefinitely.
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #547  
thanks Buppies. That was a kindness.

I came away with the impression if you weren't wearing something at least as good
as a paint respirator, with the vapor cartridges, you weren't fully protected.


Sorry to break up the response into two posts.

Paint respirators, etc. really aren't any better than standard N95 masks. Masks and respirators can be N95, N100, and P95 and P100. The N denotes it is effective against solid particles (dust, etc.) while the P denotes it's effective for oils. (Don't wear a N95 mask while paining thinking you are protected. Wear a P95). Regardless, though, the number is what matters. The 95 means it is 95% effective at stopping particles larger than 0.3 micron. 99 means it is able to filter 99% of particles greater than 0.3 microns, and 100 means it can filter 99.97% of particles greater than 0.3 microns. The problem is, they are all limited by the size of particle/droplet they can filter. Some just do it more effectively.

As a suspended droplet can be much much smaller that 0.3 micron, it will easily pass through any of the masks, be it N95/P95 or N100/P100.

There are all equally poor at protecting you from the SARS-CoV2 virus. (Note, the virus is SARS-CoV2, the resulting illness caused by the virus is COVID-19)
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #548  
Guys,

Appreciate your concerns. Just a bit of background.

I live in a very remote part of the state. 3 houses on the 2.5 mile road to my place and I am I surrounded by 1000's of acres of state land. My neighbor is not far from my mailbox...which is 2.5 miles away. This neighbor has been taking precautions (as we have). He is worried as well and being careful. If there are other cars at the neighbors we had already decided not to go in.

Closest town is Johannesburg...12 miles away. It has a population density of 14 people per square mile. No cases in our county (10k) and 1 case in the next county from a man at our church who had returned from a mission to Ethiopia...none of the others on the mission tested positive.

Like I said, we are remote. I know that it only takes one contact to screw things up so we will be careful.

I cannot imagine living without any other human interaction for another 3-4 weeks....maybe longer????? TBN is a great outlet but not the same as a friend.

I usually work with one guy, and eat lunch with 4-5 guys. We are not allowed to work together or be in the same vehicles, buildings, etc... until this passes. So we face-time at lunch. Getting to see faces is a big morale booster.
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #550  
Guys,

Appreciate your concerns. Just a bit of background.

I live in a very remote part of the state. 3 houses on the 2.5 mile road to my place and I am I surrounded by 1000's of acres of state land. My neighbor is not far from my mailbox...which is 2.5 miles away. This neighbor has been taking precautions (as we have). He is worried as well and being careful. If there are other cars at the neighbors we had already decided not to go in.

Closest town is Johannesburg...12 miles away. It has a population density of 14 people per square mile. No cases in our county (10k) and 1 case in the next county from a man at our church who had returned from a mission to Ethiopia...none of the others on the mission tested positive.

Like I said, we are remote. I know that it only takes one contact to screw things up so we will be careful.

I cannot imagine living without any other human interaction for another 3-4 weeks....maybe longer????? TBN is a great outlet but not the same as a friend.

Thanks for updating us with the additional info and more context ... :thumbsup:
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #551  
Update:

I just did some online reading of a recent journal article that has measured the SARS-CoV-2 virus. They reported a diameter of ~ 60 - 140 nm, or 0.06 - 0.14 microns. So again, this is significantly smaller than what an N95 mask is going to filter out (0.3 microns). However, assuming it is suspended in a droplet of secretions (mucus, saliva, etc.) it may be slightly larger. It seems reasonable, therefore, that an N95 MAY filter SOME of the infected droplets, but the personal protection still seems minimal to me. A better approach is simply maintain a 6 feet separation distance, and don't let someone cough or sneeze directly on you. But, if you think you may be sick and absolutely HAVE to go out, then wearing one will protect others.
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #552  
Also, covid is not "alive" in the sense that most of us think. It is just a small amount of genetic material, surrounded by a covering made up of protein, and covered with spikes that attach to our cells. Think of it as deadly pollen floating in the air. An infected person sneezes and they blast out these nasty spores that float in the air for hours, ready to be breathed in by another host. FUN
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #553  
Doesn't "floating in the air for hours" kinda make a six feet distance between people seem like not enough??

Our paper & candle sky lanters go much farther than that in mere minutes.

Consensus seems to be that we're just biding our time with a 50/50 chance of dying later this year.

Still wondering how Ebola, SARS, or Hanta didn't get us all already. :confused:
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #554  
My dog just sneezed! :shocked:
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #555  
We ran out of food for our Newfie so we didn't go ahead and have her tested. Must have been ok though, she was delicious. :D
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #557  
<snip>
So, the efficacy of a mask is not in protecting yourself, but in protecting others. So, wearing it yourself does very little. But, if everyone else wears one, YOU will be protected.
So do we need a mask with a UV chamber to "kill" the virus? Maybe a miniature blacklight mustache?

Doesn't "floating in the air for hours" kinda make a six feet distance between people seem like not enough??

Our paper & candle sky lanters go much farther than that in mere minutes.

Consensus seems to be that we're just biding our time with a 50/50 chance of dying later this year.

Still wondering how Ebola, SARS, or Hanta didn't get us all already. :confused:

I'm trying to keep 100 meters from everyone but my wife.

Be safe, stay spaced out.

/edit - face mask
Breathing apparatus with ultraviolet light emitting diode
Jul 3, 2014
A breathing apparatus according to embodiments of the invention includes a facemask portion sized to cover a lower portion of a wearer's face. The facemask portion includes a flow chamber. The flow chamber includes a first opening disposed near a first end of the flow chamber, a second opening disposed near a second end of the flow chamber, and a serpentine passage disposed between the first opening and the second opening. At least one light emitting diode configured to emit light having a peak wavelength in the ultraviolet range is disposed in the serpentine passage. The at least one light emitting diode is disposed off center relative to a centerline oriented along a direction of air flow through the serpentine passage. US Patent for Breathing apparatus with ultraviolet light emitting diode Patent (Patent # 1,335,618 issued July 2, 219) - Justia Patents Search
 
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   / Corona Virus #6 #558  
Guys,

Appreciate your concerns. Just a bit of background.

I live in a very remote part of the state. 3 houses on the 2.5 mile road to my place and I am I surrounded by 1000's of acres of state land. My neighbor is not far from my mailbox...which is 2.5 miles away. This neighbor has been taking precautions (as we have). He is worried as well and being careful. If there are other cars at the neighbors we had already decided not to go in.

Closest town is Johannesburg...12 miles away. It has a population density of 14 people per square mile. No cases in our county (10k) and 1 case in the next county from a man at our church who had returned from a mission to Ethiopia...none of the others on the mission tested positive.

Like I said, we are remote. I know that it only takes one contact to screw things up so we will be careful.

I cannot imagine living without any other human interaction for another 3-4 weeks....maybe longer????? TBN is a great outlet but not the same as a friend.

Just an update...

Pulled into the drive and we talked for 10 minutes while my fiancé and I sat in the truck. Never entered the house. My neighbor reported that panic buying has hit our little slice of heaven. Walmart shelves are near empty. It seems the Governors "shutdown" announcement today triggered the panic.

We were thinking of picking up more things this week but that was before the panic hit. Most of the "excitement" should pass in a couple of weeks as this becomes the "new normal", and by then stores will have time to get re-supplied. We do not lack for any items so no urgency to restock our preps.

We have an advantage in being remote, as it significantly lowers our contact/exposure risks. The downside is lack of medical facilities. It will not take long to overwhelm our infrastructure.

Hard to fathom that less than two weeks ago we were in pissing matches as to whether "this is just a flu". On another forum I frequent (shooting), there are still many think this is a conspiracy to take away our rights. Nearly got banned there so keeping a low profile.

Love the posts some of you have shared about acts of kindness. We need more of that and less sniping at each other IMHO
 
   / Corona Virus #6 #560  
So do we need a mask with a UV chamber to "kill" the virus? Maybe a miniature blacklight mustache?



I'm trying to keep 100 meters from everyone but my wife.

Be safe, stay spaced out.

be careful about that . . . ;) might be too much fun!
 
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