Corona Virus #6

[LouNY]

There is a great NEED to test 100% of the people in certain circumstances. Here is one of those...a plane lands in Atlanta with possible infected people and there are limited test kits. Do you only test the sick ones and allow all the others to fly to other destinations? When do you get serious about controlling the spread of COVID?

Americans Aboard Costa Luminosa Land in Atlanta - The New York Times

But and a huge but if an individual with the corona virus is on the plane, he would test positive,
everyone else on board may have been infected but would NOT test positive untill it had incubated itself in them.
So to test everyone is useless.

 

[Jstpssng]

But and a huge but if an individual with the corona virus is on the plane, he would test positive,
everyone else on board may have been infected but would NOT test positive untill it had incubated itself in them.
So to test everyone is useless.

Yet everybody on that plane probably should self quarantine, or at least avoid public gatherings until the incubation period has passed. This is what's going to spread it around; the attitude that "It will never happen to me."

 

[randy41]

But and a huge but if an individual with the corona virus is on the plane, he would test positive,
everyone else on board may have been infected but would NOT test positive untill it had incubated itself in them.
So to test everyone is useless.

so logically a person can be tested today with negative results and then the same person could be tested tomorrow with positive results....

 

[California]

As I understand it, that's what China did - quarantine ALL contacts.

 

[5030]

But and a huge but if an individual with the corona virus is on the plane, he would test positive,
everyone else on board may have been infected but would NOT test positive untill it had incubated itself in them.
So to test everyone is useless.

+1 and Just what Trump said at today's presser. He said, of you don't have any symptoms or a cold, don't get tested. Period. I have news for everyone, I don't know if you understand how the test is performed but essentially the clinician sticks a swab in your nose all the way into your upper throat and takes a sample and it's not pleasant. I've had than done before. Not for Corona Virus, for something else and the person administering the test has to know EXACTLY what they are doing. Remember. all the cavities in your skull are interconnected, your nose, mouth, eyes and even your ears interconnect. You don't want that test if you have no symptoms. Take my word for that. NOT PLEASANT.

 

[5030]

I'd say the best defense with the virus is a good offense. Do what you have to to isolate you from others, wash your hands often with SOAP AND HOT WATER, don't touch your eyes or mouth (remember the interconnection between them and your lungs and inner workings), be anti social and avoid places where people congregate.

Sure am glad I live in a remote area and I can control 100% who I interact with.

 

[ovrszd]

+1 and Just what Trump said at today's presser. He said, of you don't have any symptoms or a cold, don't get tested. Period. I have news for everyone, I don't know if you understand how the test is performed but essentially the clinician sticks a swab in your nose all the way into your upper throat and takes a sample and it's not pleasant. I've had than done before. Not for Corona Virus, for something else and the person administering the test has to know EXACTLY what they are doing. Remember. all the cavities in your skull are interconnected, your nose, mouth, eyes and even your ears interconnect. You don't want that test if you have no symptoms. Take my word for that. NOT PLEASANT.

What were you being tested for?

 

[shooterdon]

They were going to test me for arrogance until I told them I was an engineer. They told me doctors and engineers test positive and were not wasting any test kits on us. The only cure was marriage but it had a 50% mortality rate.

 

[Molalla1]

I'd say the best defense with the virus is a good offense. Do what you have to to isolate you from others, wash your hands often with SOAP AND HOT WATER, don't touch your eyes or mouth (remember the interconnection between them and your lungs and inner workings), be anti social and avoid places where people congregate.

Sure am glad I live in a remote area and I can control 100% who I interact with.

Think about how isolated you really are . . . now I believe that we have been isolated forever not so sure now. :confused3:

 

[D2Cat]

The Fed. govt determined today it would be a good thing to not interrupt our food supply. Homeland Security deems agriculture as ‘critical infrastructure’ amid COVID-19 pandemic | 2-3-19 | Agri-Pulse Communications, Inc.

 

[ultrarunner]

So you feel this has the ability to never go away and essentially create a new isolationist need to sustain life?

Just one voice from trenches.

I can't help but think the lasting effects will be with us for years to come... medical and non-medical such as social order economic and international relations.

My background is hospital based engineering for the last 29 years.

 

[rekees4300]

The Fed. govt determined today it would be a good thing to not interrupt our food supply.

It only took 240,000 bureaucrats to figure it out. :teacher:

About DHS | Homeland Security

 

[rekees4300]

Italy surpasses China in Total Deaths. Italy deaths jump by almost 800 from coronavirus - Reuters

Worldometer

 

[shooterdon]

I am starting to wonder if 1,000,000 dead from this “flu” in the US is such a bad thing.

Don’t about 1,000,000 die now from all causes....just twice as many....who would notice the difference? Mostly old people like me are dying anyway.

 

[RSR]

+1 and Just what Trump said at today's presser. He said, of you don't have any symptoms or a cold, don't get tested. Period. I have news for everyone, I don't know if you understand how the test is performed but essentially the clinician sticks a swab in your nose all the way into your upper throat and takes a sample and it's not pleasant. I've had than done before. Not for Corona Virus, for something else and the person administering the test has to know EXACTLY what they are doing. Remember. all the cavities in your skull are interconnected, your nose, mouth, eyes and even your ears interconnect. You don't want that test if you have no symptoms. Take my word for that. NOT PLEASANT.

I understand the practical limitations with trying to test a lot of people, but there is a large amount of useful data that comes from doing so. If you aren't testing, then how do you track the progression of the disease, where it is moving, and if/when the peak has passed? Without this information, how do you know when it is safe to lift/implement bans?

Quite frankly, I'm surprised they haven't instituted random testing in the population just to try to get a handle on the number of people that are asymptomatic. Purely for the sake of argument, if the number of people that are asymptomatic is 98%, the policy response will likely be much different than if it is 2%.

Good data informs good policy. Poor data informs poor policy.

 

[goeduck]

Italy surpasses China in Total Deaths. Italy deaths jump by almost 800 from coronavirus - Reuters

Worldometer

I still wonder if China scaled down reporting.

 

[newbury]

Maybe I'll clarify my original post. I understand and agree with testing for the reasons you describe, but just like a survey, you test a representative sample to understand the bigger picture. It doesn't require the testing of every possible patient. It's getting played up that because there aren't enough test kits for every possible patient, it's somehow some epic failure to the outbreak response.

But you need to sample a wide area, many spots in Ms/Al had very few test kits. That could be partially why a lot of uninformed people around this area ignored the warnings and continued life as usual.

People on the news last week were saying "I'm not worried it's, not here yet". Well it wasn't "here" because they didn't have any test kits. Now it's here w/ over 140 confirmed cases and 1 death.

My "close relatives" in Mississippi (a group of about 20 people) are all families of doctors and dentists and we have been "socially distancing" and in "self quarantine" for about a month. None of us have been tested nor have shown any symptoms, and we want to keep it that way. However "social distancing" is a lot easier when you are sitting in the middle of acreage and the UPS guy drops the Amazon packages under the porch awning.

 

[newbury]

I understand the practical limitations with trying to test a lot of people, but there is a large amount of useful data that comes from doing so. If you aren't testing, then how do you track the progression of the disease, where it is moving, and if/when the peak has passed? Without this information, how do you know when it is safe to lift/implement bans?

Quite frankly, I'm surprised they haven't instituted random testing in the population just to try to get a handle on the number of people that are asymptomatic. Purely for the sake of argument, if the number of people that are asymptomatic is 98%, the policy response will likely be much different than if it is 2%.

Good data informs good policy. Poor data informs poor policy.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:
Yup

 

[rekees4300]

I still wonder if China scaled down reporting.

Very likely, someday the whole truth will be known.

 

[Jstpssng]

Very likely, someday the whole truth will be known.

Or maybe not.