Corona Virus # 3

[txdon]

No offense to any church goers but the shared communion cup is a bad practice to start with. I would avoid it at all costs. Yuck. Even if they wipe the cup with a germ laden cloth and smear the germs around.

Another bad practice is for the pastor to put the wafer in the person’s mouth instead in their hand. There will always be a few that lean forward and their lips touch the pastor’s hand.

 

[k0ua]

That was my point to the wife . . . :thumbsup: I'm not a devote anything, I do believe!

I am too, but some of the religious rituals are not too smart. Another example would be the shrine over in Iran that the faithful go over to and lick. Apparently the government put a stop to that about a week ago.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Another bad practice is for the pastor to put the wafer in the person’s mouth instead in their hand. There will always be a few that lean forward and their lips touch the pastor’s hand.

Yep... and that ain't the hand of Jesus, either...

 

[k0ua]

Another bad practice is for the pastor to put the wafer in the person’s mouth instead in their hand. There will always be a few that lean forward and their lips touch the pastor’s hand.

The whole practice needs to be something that gets forgotten.

 

[MossRoad]

No offense to any church goers but the shared communion cup is a bad practice to start with. I would avoid it at all costs. Yuck. Even if they wipe the cup with a germ laden cloth and smear the germs around.

In times of illness like this, like when the flu is rampant, the Catholic church has, for the last couple decades, recommended priests to cease giving communion to the tongue, only give it to the hands of the recipient, suspend the practice of sharing the cup, no shaking hands at the sign of peace, no holding hands during the Our Father, and some have suspended the use of the holy water fonts at the entrance to church.

Heck, I remember that happening when I was an alter boy 50 years ago.

 

[txdon]

Yep... and that ain't the hand of Jesus, either...

Don't stray stay on topic.

Just got back from store run 3 stores sold out of hand sanitizer.

 

[goeduck]

In times of illness like this, like when the flu is rampant, the Catholic church has, for the last couple decades, recommended priests to cease giving communion to the tongue, only give it to the hands of the recipient, suspend the practice of sharing the cup, no shaking hands at the sign of peace, no holding hands during the Our Father, and some have suspended the use of the holy water fonts at the entrance to church.

Heck, I remember that happening when I was an alter boy 50 years ago.

The archdioceses may have recommended that they abstain but I can tell you that it did not pass down to every church, certainly not to the ones I went to. I stopped going when all the pedophila started coming out in the news as I lost respect for the Church. So maybe in the last 10 years or so they have stopped. 50 years ago they did not even have the sign of peace handshake where I grew up. We must have been behind the times.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Don't stray stay on topic.

Just got back from store run 3 stores sold out of hand sanitizer.

Pay attention to the ... Please forgive me; no pun intended... We are now back on course. :thumbsup:

 

[goeduck]

If I do not go to the store and the like, I do not need hand sanitizer

 

[ovrszd]

Actually to be fair he only said they looked KINDA stupid.

Good catch Terry!!!

 

[ovrszd]

Hasn't worked in 9 years??? So, how does he get by? How does he pay rent or a mortgage, buy groceries? Pay for health care?

Self employed his whole life. Has built a retirement fund. Doesn't own a house. Lives in a Veteran's Home. VA and Medicare.

 

[Jstpssng]

If I do not go to the store and the like, I do not need hand sanitizer

:thumbsup: As I pointed out in an earlier link (possibly in an earlier coronavirus thread) You can make your own with alcohol and aloe.

 

[mjarrels]

No more free samples at Costco any more.

mark

 

[Molalla1]

In times of illness like this, like when the flu is rampant, the Catholic church has, for the last couple decades, recommended priests to cease giving communion to the tongue, only give it to the hands of the recipient, suspend the practice of sharing the cup, no shaking hands at the sign of peace, no holding hands during the Our Father, and some have suspended the use of the holy water fonts at the entrance to church.

Heck, I remember that happening when I was an alter boy 50 years ago.

Right Moss but finger to finger . . . I know my wife told me.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

If my math is correct 18,000/40,000,000 is .045%
14/340 is about 4.1%

You are right...nothing to worry about less than 100 times the death rate.

BTW, if it infects 40,000,000, at that mortality rate...over 1,600,000 dead.

but numbers are just numbers.....Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Look at the numbers from the Diamond Princess, WAAAAY lower and that includes people being exposed multiple times from being on a floating petri dish:


Aaron Z

Well, I don't believe you have taken into account ALL of the people in the US that are now infected with Covid 19. So many more are infected than are "confirmed". You seriously don't think that only 340 people are infected with this virus do you? That is just the confirmed total. You CANNOT extrapolate that to a death rate. Not in a million years. Here is an example. Of the 45 people they tested on the ship outside of San Fran, 21 tested positive for Covid 19. Out of 3,500 people on the boat. Why do you think they tested the 45? Because they showed fever or other symptoms. The rest have the infection or maybe 1/2 of the rest. Surely you don't think just 45 people on a "closed system" like a cruise ship have this virus? No they just tested the sick ones. Many thousands of people right now in the US have or have had this infection. The symptoms are very mild for many people. This is NOTHING to get excited about and start throwing around huge death rates like 4 percent or the 40 to 60 percent of the bubonic plague in the middle ages. Everyone is on edge for no good reason. Wash your hands, don't cough on people, and stay home if you feel sick. That is all there is to this.

An official from the Health and Human services came out yesterday and said the death rate is between .1 and 1 percent. They just don't have enough testing done, and the Chinese are not forthcoming with their data to pin it down any better. When this is all said and done the death rate WILL NOT be much if any higher than Annual Flu. You will see. Did we need this "new virus"... no. we sure didn't. Not on top of the already 18,000 dead we have this season, or the extra 14,000 we had from H1N1 back a few years ago. But it ain't Bubonic plague. And it aint Ebola. And we ain't all gonna die. (Small comfort for someone that does die, and their loved ones)

The thing to watch is NOT the number that have died, but the number that have recovered. That line is going up at a steep angle. The confirmed cases is nearly a flat line. When they get close to intersecting, we are done with this latest plague.

I used your original numbers. If they were incorrect, that is your mistake not mine

My math is not 吐aulty?...if your data was faulty, blame yourself.

Look, I do not believe it will be that bad. But it does not help when people use numbers that do not make sense to prove their opinions. You lose credibility.

Smarter people than both of us combined do not know how this will play out...or at least the experts cannot agree. Blanket statements based on opinions and small subsets of data are interesting but not definitive.

BTW, even using your .1-1% numbers that is 2.5-25 times the death rate of the flu.... But believe what you wish to believe. Like I said...just numbers....until it matters

shooterdan's math is correct. flu= .1% Covid = +/-3.4% It is hard on old farts. I hope none of you are old farts. We are fortunate to have good health care here.

Make up your mind. Wearing a mask is stupid and / or a fashion statement, or it is respectful for the others around you? Hey... maybe my opinion is nothing more than a fashion statement... :dance1:

If you send me a SASE, I will send you .02 cents!

Please, if anyone wears a mask, don't stare or laugh. Just stay away.

 

[Fuddy1952]

Where is the like button? So many great thoughts on this subject, so many things you don't hear on the news.
My wife was saying earlier (and certainly could be wrong...she has been before, I don't tell her which is why we're together 48 years) but she said Purell or other alcohol based hand cleaners kill bacteria, not viruses. If that's true people are really stupid! Why the run on toilet paper? Anyone wanting to make money, buy stock Monday in Charmin and Purell.
Funny observation I've made over the years people I knew who quit smoking late in life, smoking for 50 years...when they quit they didn't live long afterwards.
I can't imagine something like a cigar once a week...how that could hurt anyone.
My nephew Jason (Jason Grechanik) lives in Peru, a shaman medicine man. He says down there they call tobacco the father medicine.
It seems like if you raise it, cure it yourself it's not harmful. What makes it harmful is processing, like so much food we consume.
My uncle that was long lived chain smoked King Edwards, lighting one from one he was finishing.

 

[Alan W.]

BIL works at the state lab in Nashville. They do the flu, rabies and now the corona virus testing. He says the hand sanitizer works on most bacteria and virus but there are some like CDip that it will not kill.
Most of my hand sanitizer has Ethyl wrote on it by me. I have added some 93% alcohol to the product.

 

[Jstpssng]

Or you can buy a bottle of Vodka, some aloe, and essential oils.

Tito'''s vodka warns consumers that it can'''t be used as hand sanitizer - Business Insider


Then again, maybe not.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

my dad died from lung cancer at 62 and 1 month and some days. I remember that because the social security, had just sent his 2nd check, well, we had to send back the 2nd check because he had passed away.

What little I saw of him, he smoked "Kool" brand cigarettes. Oh yeah, he was an alcoholic too.

No tears from me at his death.

 

[Jstpssng]

A local mill worker died of lung cancer at around 56 YO. He never smoked but his wife was like a chimney. She worked at the local general store and I always found it ironic that she would be puffing away, and with clouds of smoke around her head would say "I KNOW that it was something down at that mill that killed him."