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I still use an abrasive cut-off wheel. Common error is to force the cut. (Its a grinder, not a saw.) This can load up a wheel on some metals (soft steels, alum, yellow metals).

When I bought my abrasive chop saw years ago the rep showed me how to use a light controlled CHOPPING motion. In addition to not overheating the disc I think you get less blade deflection which is the cause of “out of square” on deeper cuts.

I really don’t think many people use this method but I have to this day with virtually no problems. 40 years of use on the farm with only a broken spinner handle on the vise, blade replacements and regular BJ’s for the motor. Nothing to complain about.

Good idea on the dog turd. It never even occurred to me. I have one for my belt sander. What a dumazz!
 
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Those bed frame irons are high-carbon steel, and for that they are very prone to work-hardening in the cut with the friction-heat of saw teeth or drill bit pressure. (Metal Shop 101)

To saw or drill them use low speed high pressure and coolant vs 'lube' which is typically a worst choice if it's "oil". IMO&E, washer fluid &/or Windex are the kings of underrated home shop quick job coolants when tooling bed frame-type hot-rolled angles channels, H-extrusions.

I still use an abrasive cut-off wheel. Common error is to force the cut. (Its a grinder, not a saw.) This can load up a wheel on some metals (soft steels, alum, yellow metals). Use your dog turd (rounded/abused wheel dressing 'stick') to touch a spinning wheel and keep the grit open. If a grinding wheel ever slows down on you, then you ain't no grinder, either!

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Do you ever use a "coolant" like washer fluid on regular mild steel or do you go back to the oils?
 
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I always use a small step drill for holes in angle iron including questionable quality bed rails. I usually add a spot of coolant but for thin stuff perhaps it isn’t even necessary. Oldgrind would shed better insight.

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Two inch and wider angle iron I will punch in the ironworker. (Along with anything else that fits)
 
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Do you ever use a "coolant" like washer fluid on regular mild steel or do you go back to the oils?

Never any 'lubricating oils'. They lubricate the cutting edge. :eek: It's the tool that does the work, not brute or inefficient horsepower behind it. Oil-like cutting fluids have various familiar viscosity/thickness but its about surface tension on a molecular micro-level that we don't see. (I do my my turning and milling dry except for brand name tapping fluids like Anchor Lube, Cool Tool II), or perhaps a spritz of WD rust preserver machining yellow metals not bearing bronzes. Bed-rail is like key stock, in that you can go right through either with a hack saw if you go slow and don't let them get more than warm to the touch. If you rush, you'll end up using a cutoff wheel to finish. ;) (high carbon content provides work-hardening properties)

Classic and rarely challenged by the best of modern chemistry cutting/cooling 'lubes' remain the unhealthy white lead, and the oft funky-smelling rendered/drained pork fat. The waxy stick-type modern things are just superb, period. High on efficiency, low on mess/cleanup. With any good cutting fluid, friction is reduced where chips roll up spiral drill flutes* or out of reamer, broach, or saw-tooth 'gullets' but that low surface tension is letting the cutting edge bite into the workpiece like it wants to by design. Ask anybody who uses them!

Anyway, to answer, the 'glass cleaners' are as 'good' at cooling as plain water, letting teeth and cutting edges bite in while having a high specific heat to cool as best as can be imagined. What they offer us is cheap but top results and easy to clean up where they might have to be splashed on. So out in the shop/garage, barn where we can best use them there's rarely evidence of use after a coffee break. I've dribbled water as a helper to demonstrate how much easier bedframe 'drills', ... and how many holes a HFT drill-bit can do through bed-rail steel by just net letting it get hot

*A TiN (electro-vapor deposited gold-colored coating) is there to lube/cool the chip as it curls into the flute. When such a drill is resharpened, we 'grind our way up' to a new portion right behind the lip. Grinding it away from the 'relief/clearance' takes nothing away from the coating's purpose, so sharpen & use 'em vs ever toss 'em out. "Read the chip" to see how you're doing and never assume that WFO is a proper drilling speed. That's really for 1/8" and smaller drilling.

Portable progress tip: Revised: With a proper/prescribed product ... A Grizzly or ebay 'Mist nozzle with magnetic base' only needs a tank, and few cfm of air at 40 or so PSI (HFT airbrush compressor, etc) to set up mist cooling on about any job. (got mag drill?) :) Tops if shop or job's 'atmosphere' demands the least overspray, and only go in for the very best (Lincoln, Miller), Fog Buster equals all the advantages of mist or flood coolant except the former's cost to buy in.
 
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Interesting. I've been dumping Mistic Metal Mover on every drilled hole forever.
 
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I totally left out black oil above. Also I looked up MMM. MSDS says 'clear, mild organic odor'. Looks good, & I wonder if it's anything like Ballistol, a very versatile product.

Anyway, I searched for info on MMM and ended up on Amazon. While there I found a better mister setup than what I have now. (AKA good enough to use :laughing:) Low price and supply tube, quick fittings, etc. A portable setup need not be complicated. I have machines on two floors to share one pkg. On-off is by an air valve you install, coolant siphons so valve adjustments are abrupt when you start up. These don't often dribble much.

Amazon.com: Metal Cutting Engraving Machine Mist Cool Coolant Lubrication Spray System for Air Pipe CNC Lathe Milling Drill for Cooling Sprayer Machine: Home Improvement

They show Kool Mist #77 as 'bought with' on the page, tho' that gallon of concentrate could be a lifetime supply for most of us. 'Trim' is another brand with top products.
 
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I totally left out black oil above. Also I looked up MMM. MSDS says 'clear, mild organic odor'. Looks good, & I wonder if it's anything like Ballistol, a very versatile product.

Anyway, I searched for info on MMM and ended up on Amazon. While there I found a better mister setup than what I have now. (AKA good enough to use :laughing:) Low price and supply tube, quick fittings, etc. A portable setup need not be complicated. I have machines on two floors to share one pkg. On-off is by an air valve you install, coolant siphons so valve adjustments are abrupt when you start up. These don't often dribble much.

Amazon.com: Metal Cutting Engraving Machine Mist Cool Coolant Lubrication Spray System for Air Pipe CNC Lathe Milling Drill for Cooling Sprayer Machine: Home Improvement

They show Kool Mist #77 as 'bought with' on the page, tho' that gallon of concentrate could be a lifetime supply for most of us. 'Trim' is another brand with top products.

I have one of those!

As far as I’m concerned that makes me smarter than I thought. . Well in my mind it does, so it still counts, right ?
 
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I have one of those!

As far as I’m concerned that makes me smarter than I thought. . Well in my mind it does, so it still counts, right ?

Of course.
 
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The blue 'pressure washer pump storage' juice isn't just for storing power-painters too. It's an oil/water emulsion typically ~95/5 water/oil with emulsifying agents.
Just a comment - I looked up the MSDS for pressure washer storage fluid I was going to buy. Brand-name, same as a widely sold pressure washer. Discovered that fluid was nothing special, it was ordinary automotive coolant. Ingredients ethylene glycol and water pump lubricant. (Also not blue).

Check the ingredients before paying double for commonplace fluids!
 
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Just a comment - I looked up the MSDS for pressure washer storage fluid I was going to buy. Brand-name, same as a widely sold pressure washer. Discovered that fluid was nothing special, it was ordinary automotive coolant. Ingredients ethylene glycol and water pump lubricant. (Also not blue).

Check the ingredients before paying double for commonplace fluids!

Yup. :thumbsup: I'd like to edit out bad info based on what I could and couldn't find ain't like all like the '90s options. Had stuff back then that checked out as I said, but my bottle of Graco stuff is indeed ~ half glycol and no oil or emulsifier & I didn't check their MSDS. :ashamed: Might be the second one I've ever bought, sure the other brand years before checked out. It was 4x the price. I've never used the pump juice as coolant, just thought I might way back when the formula was similar to what we used at work.

The Kool Mist is a sure bet. But I don't often want to suggest a cheap quickie that then costs 2x in consumables to even try out. (Doh!) Washer fluid would be fine there, but you'd want to mist your tables/vises to prevent rust. My point was that mist cooling doesn't have to be anchored down and might be used on bed-frame steel. I don't weld for sour hen crap, so I do a lot of bolt-up assembly. :eek: (thanks for the correction. :))
 

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