kubota or mahindra

[Blue14]

Most of which is in India. The numbers from your country would be way more relevant.

I was replying to (nards444) comment about owning 75% of the tractor mkt as he did not specify where. I agree about market share % here in the USA but the article I read did not specify in percentage of each country.

 

[kenmac]

Most of which is in India. The numbers from your country would be way more relevant. Who cares what the top numbers are anyway?


You got any numbers of how many Mahindra tractors sold in India vs US ?

Who cares about numbers ? LOL someone made the comment (''The Kubota engines are so junk they dominate the small diesel industry''.) LOL

 

[kenmac]

Mahindra's largest consumer base is in India, China, North America, and a growing market in Australia. The company is the largest manufacturer in India and has the capacity to build 150,000 tractors a year. M&M produced its first tractor in 1963, the Mahindra B-275.

Kubota doesn't even own the market in their home country

 

[4570Man]

I don’t know what Mahindra ever did for you to take up for them. Kubota diesels are among the best there is. Japanese make the best Diesel engine in the world. Dominating their industry and selling the most in India is a completely different unit of measurement.

 

[desertdog71]

Having been to all these countries in question I'm not real hip on buying anything from India. Japan and S. Korea I would. As far as engines go, Cat, Cummins, JCB, Yanmar, Kubota are the big 5 in the tractor and construction equipment markets. Yanmar makes more than Kubota by quite a bit.

 

[kenmac]

I don’t know what Mahindra ever did for you to take up for them. Kubota diesels are among the best there is. Japanese make the best Diesel engine in the world. Dominating their industry and selling the most in India is a completely different unit of measurement.

They haven't done anything for me, or against me.
What has Mahindra done to you to make you dislike them so much ?

In a previous post you stated (''The Kubota engines are so junk they dominate the small diesel industry'')
Now, It's changed to just the Japanese. Make up your mind ! LOL

As I have already stated. I own two kubotas. I just don't drink the Kool-Aid

I have a perkins in my McCormick. It's one of the best (if not the best) diesels anywhere bar none

I hate to break the news to ya. But, Not many Kubotas out there in the big farming world


I'm for any brand you want to buy. I just don't buy the kubota is superior and bullet proof. Superior to any other brand
They aren't bullet proof when you have a ''brand new'' Kubota diesel bite the dust with only 2 hrs on the clock !

 

[RickB]

Having been to all these countries in question I'm not real hip on buying anything from India. Japan and S. Korea I would. As far as engines go, Cat, Cummins, JCB, Yanmar, Kubota are the big 5 in the tractor and construction equipment markets. Yanmar makes more than Kubota by quite a bit.

Any list of off-road Diesel engine manufacturers that does not mention Deere and FPT but mentions JCB is flawed. As recently as 2003 JCBs total worldwide Diesel engine production was zero.

 

[RickB]

They haven't done anything for me, or against me.
What has Mahindra done to you to make you dislike them so much ?

In a previous post you stated (''The Kubota engines are so junk they dominate the small diesel industry'')
Now, It's changed to just the Japanese. Make up your mind ! LOL

As I have already stated. I own two kubotas. I just don't drink the Kool-Aid

I have a perkins in my McCormick. It's one of the best (if not the best) diesels anywhere bar none

I hate to break the news to ya. But, Not many Kubotas out there in the big farming world


I'm for any brand you want to buy. I just don't buy the kubota is superior and bullet proof. Superior to any other brand
They aren't bullet proof when you have a ''brand new'' Kubota diesel bite the dust with only 2 hrs on the clock !

Got any data that suggest early engine failure is an endemic Kubota problem?

 

[ptsg]

They haven't done anything for me, or against me.
What has Mahindra done to you to make you dislike them so much ?

In a previous post you stated (''The Kubota engines are so junk they dominate the small diesel industry'')
Now, It's changed to just the Japanese. Make up your mind ! LOL

As I have already stated. I own two kubotas. I just don't drink the Kool-Aid

I have a perkins in my McCormick. It's one of the best (if not the best) diesels anywhere bar none

I hate to break the news to ya. But, Not many Kubotas out there in the big farming world


I'm for any brand you want to buy. I just don't buy the kubota is superior and bullet proof. Superior to any other brand
They aren't bullet proof when you have a ''brand new'' Kubota diesel bite the dust with only 2 hrs on the clock !

I don't think it's a Mahindra thing. It happens pretty much with all brands that is not Kubota or JD.

We do have some hardcore fanboys here, specially orange ones. Whoever dares to say anything at all about a simple Kubota bolt or washer, gets smashed instantly. They all come out of nowhere.

Anyways, doesn't JCB use Perkins engines? And Kubota uses 6.7 Cummins on the new M8 series.

 

[arrow]

Trying to decide on new tractor got it down to two I think kubota grand 3560 or mahindra 1635hst no cabs/with a loader only on either tractor,,always had kubotas but I am not sure on the DPF on the kubotas anyone with pros and cons of each thanks

I own the Mahindra 3016 which is sort of like the 1626.(Well almost exact actually) . The 35 and the 38 are all different. I feel they are better built than the 26 series. I consider my tractor as the "Fred Flintstone" of the tractor world. Not much sophistication but it gets the job done. In my opinion the Kubota is the better built machine and not by a little bit. If the Kubota dealer I shopped at didn't have his nose in the air, I might have ended up with one. Just couldn't do business with the arrogance and attitude displayed.

Be careful with "specs". It seems there are no standards when attempting to compare. Make sure everything is being measured by similar yardsticks.

As far as specific operator needs, this also needs strong consideration. Do I like the Kubota more? You bet. Could I own the Kubota 3560? Not without another configuration of their hydraulic hoses.
I use my tractor mostly for logging. My woods are very dense. I feel I would rip those hoses off right quick for my style of logging. With trails established and winching stems to those trails, maybe not so much. These are the kind of considerations only the proposed owner can make as they know what their situations are.

 

[kenmac]

Got any data that suggest early engine failure is an endemic Kubota problem?

No data as I didn't claim that. Perhaps You should re read what I stated. My experience with a kubota engine

Since you own a scag. Perhaps you have better data

 

[kenmac]

Anyways, doesn't JCB use Perkins engines? And Kubota uses 6.7 Cummins on the new M8 series.

Watch it now ! You gonna give those Kubota Kool- Aid drinkers a heart attack ! :laughing:

How many does one have to own to turn hard core ? Two isn't enough to turn me !:laughing:

 

[rScotty]

As I stated before I have always had kubotas my first was a 1977 l210.. my biggest concern with the 3560 ( beside the regen) would be all the electronics such as throttle advance hst response mode etc. but I guess a guy gets spoiled with creature comforts

I think that's a reasonable concern. Our 2008 Kubota has a lot of hours, and there is little doubt in my mind that someday those "extra electronic features" on the HST+ transmission will need attention - but they are mostly just on/off switches and the associated relays and their technical manuals are top notch... so I'm hoping I can deal with it.

FWIW, the HST+ itself is worth having. Having that two-speed rear axle (the + feature) is well proven, straight mechanical, and really lightens the internal loads on the HST transmission. You can tell it immediately in the way it pulls heavy loads and the sounds it makes. So if being able to set the throttle advance hst response etc. doubles the life of that transmission its a tradeoff I can accept.

But I'm with you, sarti. I sometimes wish those control electronics were from a time of mentally more simple mechanical/hydraulic controls I could feel more comfortable with. Although of course those have a lifespan too.

One thing I do like is the overall feeling I get with Kubota is that they are trying to balance creature comforts with long-term reliability.
Emissions control is a fact of life - and probably nobody really believes it's a bad thing. Here in the mountains we look out over the plains and you can see the difference in the air. Going to Denver a few times a year you drop out of the mountains and it's just amazing how much less smog there is now from the 1960s. Someone deserves some credit, and I bet they weren't very popular back when pollution control started. I hope they are alive to see that the good they did... Here's to them.....

Technically, Mahindra and Kubota are tackling the soot emissions problem differently, that's all it is. There are compromises both ways. Twenty years from now we will know which was right.
rScotty

 

[ptsg]

How many does one have to own to turn hard core ? Two isn't enough to turn me !:laughing:

I had a Kubota B7000 before and my homemade backhoe does have a Kubota D640 engine which is kinda of a pain to find parts for it. Does that makes me a fanboy as well? :laughing:

 

[RickB]

No data as I didn't claim that. Perhaps You should re read what I stated. My experience with a kubota engine

Since you own a scag. Perhaps you have better data

Well you asked everyone else for backup data but you seem exempt. Having an early engine failure can sour a person on that brand, no doubt. I get that. The brand is as reliable as any other, that does not change.
I own a Scag. Is that relevant? My experience in the industry we are discussing is broader than the vast majority of members here and probably yours.
But that is just as unimportant as the fact that I do not own a tractor at this point in my life. I bear some responsibility for the care of a large number of other folks tractors and equipment.

 

[rScotty]

Well you asked everyone else for backup data but you seem exempt. Having an early engine failure can sour a person on that brand, no doubt. I get that. The brand is as reliable as any other, that does not change.
I own a Scag. Is that relevant? My experience in the industry we are discussing is broader than the vast majority of members here and probably yours.
But that is just as unimportant as the fact that I do not own a tractor at this point in my life. I bear some responsibility for the care of a large number of other folks tractors and equipment.

A Scag? Whazzat? Is that what they are calling Waukesha-O tractors these days?
rScotty

 

[kenmac]

Well you asked everyone else for backup data but you seem exempt.

Well, You obviously don't know the difference in someone posting broad statements, and someone posting personal experiences.

Just because someone ''has worked in the industry'' means nothing compared to the experience of actually owning a product

Yes, You own a scag, something you have ownership experience with. Not actual tractor owner experience.
I own a kubota something I have experience with

The Guys/dealer I bought my kubota diesel from said they had never seen a failure like that. So I would say, experience of actually owning out weights 'working in the industry''

I would say my experience may just trump yours , as I have worked in the industry and actually own them too !

But instead of chest thumping. Why not just let the guy buy what best fits his needs and likes ? Especially if you have never owned the brand you are trashing

 

[nova3930]

Trying to decide on new tractor got it down to two I think kubota grand 3560 or mahindra 1635hst no cabs/with a loader only on either tractor,,always had kubotas but I am not sure on the DPF on the kubotas anyone with pros and cons of each thanks

Requirements drive solutions. Until you specify your requirements nobody can tell you what's best.

Kubota Grand or Mahindra. Is this even a real debate? 的 bought a Mahindra because it was the best said no one ever. BTW there痴 no free lunch with the emissions on the Mahindra. They take a different approach but they have to meet the same standards.

People keep saying that but from a technical design perspective some solutions are better than others. Given what i know of diesel engines and my experience with on road diesels, given a choice I would always pick the design without a DPF. I don't have experience with the Mahindra system itself, but a common rail system equipped with DOC and EGR is equivalent to pickup diesels from the mid-2000s, which are some of the most reliable in existence.

Dont fall into mahindra doesnt have a a DPF gimick.

I wouldn't call it a gimmick. Depending on his requirements the DPF could be a legit issue. In on road trucks the DPF is the single most problematic piece of emissions equipment and they do eventually have to be cleaned and/or replaced. Looking at the various implementations, I get the impression a lot of manufacturers are using DPFs because they don't want to invest in redesigning their engines. I suspect that when the EPA inevitably clamps down again you'll see a lot more manufacturers redesign to common rail setups potentially with SCR added.

Search on market share shows in (Wikipedia) that Mahindra is the largest selling tractor manufacturer by volume in the world.

Mahindra sells a pile of those 4025s to India and other developing markets that have a lot of small farms. That 4025 is darn near a part for part copy of a 1960s International ag tractor. Friend of mine has one of those and says it's just as rugged as you'd expect a 1960s ag tractor to be.

Technically, Mahindra and Kubota are tackling the soot emissions problem differently, that's all it is. There are compromises both ways. Twenty years from now we will know which was right.
rScotty

I can almost guarantee you that the common rail setup is the way forward. They'll all be common rail with EGR, DOC, DPF and SCR. From what I can tell off road runs about 15-20 years behind on road in emissions requirements and that setup is where on road trucks are now.

When the EPA clamps down again, and you know they will eventually, everybody is going to have to move to a common rail setup. Once you hit a certain emissions standard, controlling the combustion process via multiple injection events is the only way to meet emissions, while maintaining power, without overloading the after treatment systems.

 

[desertdog71]

so what is the conclusion of this tragic tale of the 2 hour Kubota?

 

[kenmac]

so what is the conclusion of this tragic tale of the 2 hour Kubota?

The conclusion ? They did what any manufacture would have done. They replaced the defective engine