RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter

   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter
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#161  
Yeah, if any of the safety concerns are not met it just flat will not turn over. It was turning over fine, and like I said, it was even turning over faster than it would on starter alone; like it was firing just a little bit but not enough to stay running. Kinda how a flooded gas engine acts as ya start to clear it. Never heard of it before, but can a diesel engine flood? After a couple hours it just started like there never was a problem. I got a little bit of work done and a few more questions I will post in another thread for someone that has spent some time on a mouldboard plow.
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   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #162  
Probably had something to do with the engine management computer putting it in a protection state. Might be worth a call to the dealer.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #163  
That's good it fired back up. I am curious what the dealer has to say about it.

Field looks good.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #164  
@THEPARTYHOUND- I'm glad to hear it's running again and I'm sorry you've had so much trouble with this machine. It's got to be super frustrating. I've been lucky to have zero problems with mine; only at 90 hours though.

Perhaps and hopefully you've got all the gremlins out of this machine. I sure hope so. I think I'd be reaching the point very quickly where I'd just want something different. All that money spent should not have these problems.

The field does look nice. While it was running how did it pull those 3-bottom plows?
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #165  
@THEPARTYHOUND- I'm glad to hear it's running again and I'm sorry you've had so much trouble with this machine. It's got to be super frustrating. I've been lucky to have zero problems with mine; only at 90 hours though.

Perhaps and hopefully you've got all the gremlins out of this machine. I sure hope so. I think I'd be reaching the point very quickly where I'd just want something different. All that money spent should not have these problems.

The field does look nice. While it was running how did it pull those 3-bottom plows?

It may well be frustrating for the OP that his tractor bogged down and stalled in a drop in grade, but that sounds to me to be more of OP error and less fault of tractor. THe not wanting to restart could be tractor engine protection system(s), or something else. No blame being cast, however OP admits to being new to both his tractor and his plow type. Let's try not to blame things that likely have nothing to do with the tractor's functionality. And let's consider his first issue with the block heater fail was most likely a result of an engineering spec change the heater manufacturer might not have been made aware of so a retrofit could have been made for the larger displacement engines.

I for one am optimistic that the situation will turn out fine. The snow will disappear, the field will get plowed and all will be well in the land. So beware naysayers, this Kioti will be well and so will the OP!:thumbsup:


Cat fever~ What's the problem plowing the fields? :confused2: You're not going to let a little bit of snow get in your way are you?!:eek: You just need a running start to find the field....:wolf:
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter
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#166  
It pulled them well. Most of it was done in medium range, 1st gear at 2500 rpm. Occasionally I wouldn't be quick enough on the draft control lever and I'd have to push the clutch in then restart in low range, 4th gear. Traction wise, it did great. I plowed with a bucket full of wet snow in 4wd. Might have done even a bit better with a bucket of gravel, but in the gear I was in I would run out of power before traction for the most part.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #167  
Let's try not to blame things that likely have nothing to do with the tractor's functionality. And let's consider his first issue with the block heater fail was most likely a result of an engineering spec change the heater manufacturer might not have been made aware of so a retrofit could have been made for the larger displacement engines.

@Coyote machine - I appreciate your optimism and all the Kioti knowledge you've contributed to this forum. But in my view both these issues are with the tractor/dealer and not the operator. Blown block heater- dealer or Kioti issue; not owner. Stalling, most likely the owner, not restarting to only restart magically 30 minutes later: a tractor issue, not owner. What exactly is the machine protecting against in this situation? I can tell you that a tractor that blows the block heater 7 hours after writing a $40k+ check and later stalls but won't restart would have me seriously doubting the wisdom of my purchase.

I'm grateful, as I'm sure you are, that my experience has been different and much better. Hopefully THEPARTYHOUND will join us on this much smoother/enjoyable owernship/operating path.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #168  
I have read about problems with every tractor that people have on TBN. New and used, hopefully the block heater issue is behind the OP.

I would ask the service department about it not starting. But by no means is it time to look for something different. After all, he does have a 4 year powertrain warranty.

There are people with 100K+ John Deere's, New Holland's, Massey's etc that have problems, should they be looking for something different?

Partyhound give it some time, you have a very nice tractor. There may indeed be a fuel related problem. If it happens more it'll be easier to track down. Then the problem will be fixed.:2cents:
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter
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#169  
I have tried keeping a positive outlook on this tractor, but like wooly said it gets tough when it hasn't been a good experience from the get go. The whole reason for spending that money on a new tractor is so that I wouldn't have any problems for the forseeable future. I'm sure hoping the experience improves!
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #170  
Have you talked to the dealer about it not starting?
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #171  
There are people with 100K+ John Deere's, New Holland's, Massey's etc that have problems, should they be looking for something different?

I think that depends on what kind of problems and what kind of support they are getting for those machines.

I'm not suggesting that THEPARTYHOUND start looking for another machine. I simply agree with his earlier post (about the POS tractor) and I'm not so brand loyal as to tell him the troubles he's having can't be Kioti's/dealer's fault. This would be super frustrating. When I bought my new RX7320 last year I bought new to a) avoid these problems in the first place or 2) have a warranty to lean on if they did in fact happen. I hope his dealer is supporting him.

I thought the consensus on running the machine with no coolant was that it would be very hard to be certain that no damage occurred. And that it may not show up from quite some time. That right there would give me pause. Based on the oil sample that he had done, things seem to be fine. That's encouraging, so now he's back to using his tractor but it won't start.

I think the RX7320 is a nice machine and a great value. I hope THEPARTYHOUND gets many years of trouble free service, hopefully starting today.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #172  
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I agree, that's why I ask if he has contacted the dealer about the starting issue.

I also bought new to avoid any problems, 4 years old and none to report. I do not have a block heater.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #173  
I’d be careful running that, since you already lugged the engine until it stalled. That’s hard on an engine, especially a new one. If you get your wheels out wider you will be plowing with all 3 bottoms instead of 2 which will be harder. Maybe try plowing shallower or in a lower gear until you get comfortable.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter
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#174  
No, I haven't talked to the dealer yet. They haven't been too helpful so far. I got a $350 bill for the mechanic's travel time till I reminded them that I had an agreement with the salesman that they would cover transportation costs for the first 2 warranty issues, so they voided the bill. Point is, they WERE going to charge me for that block heater falling out. Doesn't make me very hopeful for how they will handle things going forward.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #175  
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That's unfortunate, the other question I have is;

Have you read /understand the draft control? I have read it but not clear on using it. My understanding is that depending on where you pin the top link when the tractor is near stalling it will automatically raise the 3 point until full power is restored then lower the 3 point automatically avoiding a stall. I have stalled mine but it's always using the FEL. I have come close with my Spring tooth harrow to stalling but always catch it before a stall happens.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #176  
IMO, if the tractor stalled and wouldn't start for 30 minutes there is a problem with that tractor. I would make sure Kioti has records of you're issues with this tractor. I have a hard time believing this tractor is all of a sudden going to have no issues from here on out.. Cover you're bases.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #177  
It might be worth your time to read pages 5-24/25 in the owner's manual. (I assume we have the same manual ) The "important" note on the right side of page 5-25 kind of describes what could have happened.
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #178  
I think that depends on what kind of problems and what kind of support they are getting for those machines.

I'm not suggesting that THEPARTYHOUND start looking for another machine. I simply agree with his earlier post (about the POS tractor) and I'm not so brand loyal as to tell him the troubles he's having can't be Kioti's/dealer's fault. This would be super frustrating. When I bought my new RX7320 last year I bought new to a) avoid these problems in the first place or 2) have a warranty to lean on if they did in fact happen. I hope his dealer is supporting him.

I thought the consensus on running the machine with no coolant was that it would be very hard to be certain that no damage occurred. And that it may not show up from quite some time. That right there would give me pause. Based on the oil sample that he had done, things seem to be fine. That's encouraging, so now he's back to using his tractor but it won't start.

I think the RX7320 is a nice machine and a great value. I hope THEPARTYHOUND gets many years of trouble free service, hopefully starting today.

This is a quote of what you said on page 17: "I think I'd be reaching the point very quickly where I'd just want something different."
BTW, I did not say the block heater was the fault of the OP. What I did say was the stall was likely an OP error as a result of the tractor and new plow being completely new to him. I don't have enough detail about what happened when the tractor stalled, and even if I did, I don't blame it on the OP. I know zero about how to plow fields, but I guess something about the bucket dropping into a hole might have also triggered the 'auto' raising of the 3PH, which could have interfered with the 'auto raise/lower feature' of the 3PH and it's subsequent full abrupt stop. I do not know for sure.

I could reason If I chose to that the block heater and recent stall are tractor/dealer/Kioti issues.And yes w'e the general folks who have many hours on tractors similar to the OP's, were suggesting various concerns about coolant mixing with engine oil, UNTIL we sought a way to reasonably ascertain the bestover view of the engine's condition. It became clear that the best result and least effort would be to clock the engine's condition right away and over it's future use by closely spaced oil samples. The OP has and continues to do so. And while on the subject, I have no problem with the OP draining the current oil AND changing the oil filter BEFORE doing any more plowing. I suggest for your climate Shell Rotella DIESEL 5W-40. It is excellent oil. It's all I use in my diesels.

TO the OP - consider your own situation; you're new to this tractor and have paid a lot of $ for it. BUT you are a complete novice to the tractor and what it can and can't do. You're not likely to do it any damage so long as you take your time, read the manual, visit TBN with questions about the operation of this type of plow and them follow TBNers advice on what to do. You wisely moved to another forum and got experienced folks giving you useable answers. It's not an immediate get on the horse thing and ride away. It takes time, and maybe a lot of frustration to learn best practice use on any implement of a tractor. For instance if you decided to have a machine shop and set one up would it be realistic to think you could day one use a lathe with no prior experience? I highly doubt it. I'd suggest taking a break, go speak with your dealer's principal, and tell him what happened with the stall out and see what he says. Ask him about the bill for the block heater fix, and how they plan to deal with it if it blows out again?
BTW, did the dealer ever give an explanation for the reason, or was all that on us here on TBN? Tell him so far they have not conveyed confidence from where you stand, and ask if this is what you are to expect as their best work going forward.
Ask what oil the machine comes with from Daedong, or do they add the oil when the tractor is assembled at the dealer's?

And, as has been said ALL tractor's new or old experience issues at some point. I've seen huge $250K+ tractors split in half at various dealer's shops to replace an inexpensive part; it's usually the time that ratchets up the cost when off warranty. When you've wracked up a thousand+ hours on your new machine it will have treated you as well as you have treated it. Meantime look at it as being schooled in tractor operations. I can tell you I sucked royally at using my backhoe for too long to remember! I'm much better at it now after using it over the past 10 years.

Wooly, a request: Please stop using the '@' sign before one's user name. Thanks.

CM out
 
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#179  
Hey Lynn, I read the page you pointed out and it does sound like something that could have been going on, but it really wasnt. I think what they are describing there is what happens when you push one of the remote valves in and it enters into bypass which causes a noticable strain on the engine. This was not the case in my situation as I was not operating any of the remotes at the time and the hydraulics for the 3pt were not lifting. As far as the draft control works, well, it was new to me as well but I got it figured out in short order. What happens is as an implement offers more resistance, thus slowing the tractor down, the draft control causes the implement to raise which puts more weight on the back wheels of the tractor improving traction as well as reducing resistance of the implement. The lever's position simply determines how sensitive this function will be. All the way down is effectively off, while all the way up will lift the implement out of the ground. I have found that in my field I have a few different types of ground conditions. The sandy soil conditions seem to call for the lever to be set at around 3. This prevents the plow from getting too big of a bite and does a good job of self adjusting. However as I come into a rocky patch, if left on 3 it would just skate across the surface only cutting a couple inches at best. I would drop it all the way down so that the full weight of the plow was being applied to the ground to break up the rocky patch. If I started losing traction I would adjust it up just enough to keep traction but still keep the plow deep enough. Usually once the plow got started under the rocky soil, it would stay under due to the shape of the plow. I don't know if that explains the draft control for ya any better, but after operating it for a bit I understood it much better than I did by reading about it. Very helpful especially with this design of plow where the weight of the plow itself can assist in traction.
Coyote machine, the tractor stalling absolutely was my fault. It was only in the first 15 minutes of plowing and I hadn't quite got the draft control figured out yet. What was not my fault was that it wouldn't start back up again for so long. I wouldn't let it die after that for fear that it would happen again. This is a brand new machine! I shouldnt have to worry about whether or not its going to start again if it dies! At 40-some hours into the life of this machine I should be able to take it for granted that it is going to start any time I turn the key over! But I can't. Plus I have to be hyper alert all the time for any signs of a blown out block heater! I wonder how fast that engine would burn down pulling hard at 2500 rpms on a 50* day vs the leisurely drive on a -25* day when it happened last time?
The tractor is new to me, but I'm not by any means a novice running equipment. I regularly run excavators, dozers, vibratory plows, backhoes, and the big trucks to haul all this stuff around. It doesn't take long to get a good feel for a piece of equipment's capabilities and limitations. However, I'm also humble enough to know that I don't know it all and this is a great forum for asking questions and learning!
 
   / RX7320 problems @7 hrs on the meter #180  
Wooly, a request: Please stop using the '@' sign before one's user name. Thanks.

CM out
I'm curious, what is your objection to its use? Is this against forum rules?

I use the @ symbol to indicate that I'm addressing a comment/question/post to a particular person. I think of these threads as all of us at the local diner having a conversation.
Sometimes things are said to and for the benefit of all and other times they are said/directed at a particular individual. If we were around the table we could look at one another when talking to make these intentions clear. Since we're not, it can be hard to tell when something is being addressed to a particular person. There are other technologies where using the @ symbol also alerts the user that a message has called out a particular person. My use of it may be bleeding over from those other platforms to this one. I realize this forum doesn't offer any kind of notification based on this but I still think it helps to indicate to whom things are directed.

I don't have any problem reigning it in, though I think it does offer something which I don't know how to do any other way.
 

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