Why no heavy duty Chevy pickup?

[4570Man]

Ford and Dodge both make a 450, 4500, 550 series pickup. Chevy used to make a 3500 HD that was significantly heavier duty. Now 3500 and the 3500hd is pretty much the same thing. They make a 4500 that’s a joke to the medium duty truck world. I don’t know about the rest of the country but here the ford and dodge heavy tons way outnumber the regular 1 tons.

 

[crashz]

I believe GM teamed with International to bring those models back. I think they are coming out as 2020's ???

I'm seeing more Ram 4500 and 5500 trucks now, but Ford has had that market now for a long time here.

I agree with you on the use of these trucks. A 350 and 3500 can't legally haul the weight that the bodies will hold. My F450 will legally carry 6000 lbs or 3CY of loam or 2 CY of gravel. Even that doesn't really fill it, but its a lot better that my old 87 K3500. I was at GVWR (10,000lbs) with one excavator bucket (3/4CY) of gravel in the body.

 

[4570Man]

I haven’t seen any heavy tons in the Chevy feature lineup. Just the 4500 joke of a heavy truck. If I was in the new heavy market I’d buy a Chevy heavy ton. Currently I’d buy a dodge. I hate ford and the last 20 year diesel disaster doesn’t bring me any comfort although I think the new ones are better. The 90s 3500hd was a pretty good ride of the time but no 4x4 and no Duramax and if you want a transmission that doesn’t suck no automatic. I don’t know why they dropped that truck. Around here 3500 duallys are mall crawlers and 5x a year RV pullers and the heavy tons make up 90 percent of the work truck fleet.

 

[crashz]

The new ones are a bit better looking than the old 4500 and 5500, but still tall.





My F450 is a 2003 and the last of the 7.3L trucks. With a 6 speed stick. I couldn't pass it up. Though I've put a lot of money and time into her, she is a great truck and actually fun to drive.

 

[Rustyiron]

That's what I read also crashz. They are dropping their sheet metal on an international chassis & drive train. CV Series | Class 4/5 Truck | International Trucks
I just went to IH on the web and it looks like they are as you said partnered up, using GM's sheet metal but an IH grill.
Do you know if they are using the IH 6.6 or sticking with the D max?

 

[ruffdog]

They are being built now.....

First-Ever Medium-Duty Chevrolet Silverados Roll Off the Line - PickupTrucks.com News

 

[Sawyer Rob]

NEW 2020 Chevy HD, speced "properly" will be rated to pull OVER 35,000 pounds.

SR

 

[4570Man]

They’re not a heavy ton pickup though. More comparable with an international 4700 or Ford F-650. In either case I’ll probably end up getting a CDL and buying a day cab semi. They’re pretty cheap compared to pickup trucks.

 

[QRTRHRS]

Ford is bringing back the F600 moniker. It will have the same cab as the F450, etc. as opposed to the F650-F750 style.

 

[QRTRHRS]

They’re not a heavy ton pickup though. More comparable with an international 4700 or Ford F-650. In either case I’ll probably end up getting a CDL and buying a day cab semi. They’re pretty cheap compared to pickup trucks.

Just make sure you get something with a locking rear else they get stuck on snot! Even with the locking rear, you need to plan ahead.

 

[atsah]

My last new truck was a 2005 F-350 CCLB diesel lariat that I paid $36000 for, the price of super duty size trucks have gone insane in the last 6 years, that same truck today is 65 grand, no thanks..

 

[crashz]

That's what I read also crashz. They are dropping their sheet metal on an international chassis & drive train. CV Series | Class 4/5 Truck | International Trucks
I just went to IH on the web and it looks like they are as you said partnered up, using GM's sheet metal but an IH grill.
Do you know if they are using the IH 6.6 or sticking with the D max?

From the GM fleet page it looks like the only engine available is the Durmax, but lower ratings that the pickups. Also 3 different Allison 6 speeds, no the old 1000 model.

 

[Rustyiron]

I don't know why, but it seems they all de-rate HP from p.u. numbers in the heavier GVW chassis's. I had a senior moment looking at the IH site seeing 6.6 on their engine, went right over my head that IH is using the d-max also where I thought that they were using one of the ******* child engines left over from their Ford relationship. I don't remember what they called their earlier (3-4? years ago) light medium duty 450-550 equivalent, but I think that's what it had for a power plant. A pretty good looking work truck imho. The tilting hood is a lot better (if you get the access you need) than the geniuses at Ford making you lift off the cab, and I'm a ford guy, mostly because of GM's love of that car like IFS for a work truck.

 

[Industrial Toys]

GMC doesn't make a HD truck Either. I have cat food cans and plastic packaging in the trash heavier than the skin, plastic crap and bumper on my GMC 6.6.

 

[ruffdog]

Rumor has it that a big gasser is coming.

Rumor: Is Chevy Working on a Big Block Gas V8 Engine with Over 8.-Liter Displacement? - The Fast Lane Truck

 

[atsah]

Those big liter gassers are okay until gas prices go through the roof again, just a matter of time..

 

[Rustyiron]

Yes but if you do the math with diesel .30 more than gas (in ME) and the huge premiums for the diesel upgrade at purchase along with a higher maint. and oil changes......
What is the diesel option these days? $10k? That's a lot of fuel to justify the above.

 

[atsah]

Yes but if you do the math with diesel .30 more than gas (in ME) and the huge premiums for the diesel upgrade at purchase along with a higher maint. and oil changes......
What is the diesel option these days? $10k? That's a lot of fuel to justify the above.

No doubt.. If you need one and the gasser will do the trick, it will cost less than a diesel in the long run but if fuel goes back up to $4 a gallon it's gonna hurt..

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Diesel option is less than 10K, but it's still a lot...

I do my maintenance myself, other than more oil, I never found any added maintenance to owning a diesel.

SR

 

[atsah]

I’ve had three diesel trucks and they cost me a small fortune to keep them going. Maintenance was a little more than a gasser, 10 more quarts of oil, two fuel filters but nothing to crazy. Injectors, oil coolers, egr, head gaskets, studs. IMO, they are worth having if you make money with them. If you need torque it’s the way to go but I wouldn’t recommend one to anyone that doesn’t need one or may not have 10 grand in the bank if something bad happens.

I had one hydolock and eat a piston on the turnpike, I could have bought a decent size fairly new tractor with what that cost me.

You either need to have plenty of money in the bank and be able to do your own mechanical work or if you keep it long enough out of warranty it will bite you.

The 7.3 and 5.9 12v days are gone, being able to afford to fix a newer one out of warranty is out of the question for a lot of people including me..