Undercoating on a new vehicle

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Hello, Considering buying a new Toyota 4Runner. What is everyone’s opinion on undercoating? Vehicle will driven in some salt during the winters.

I’m interested in some sort of DIY product. Maybe Fluid Film? I would like to spray the new vehicle as well as my older truck, etc.

Any input would be very welcome. Thank you!!
 
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Be sure to check out the warranty issues. Some cases of rust perforation claims are denied because the undercoat traps moisture and salt, keeping the metal from drying. Aftermarket undercoat, even though done at the dealer, is not warranty approved.
 
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Keep in mind, rustproofing, and undercoating, are two completely different things. And, require two completely different applications.

Rustproofing is a viscus, usually wax based product, that stays soft, and is made to seal seams, and coat inner panels.

Undercoating, is usually asphalt based, and is made to as the names says, undercoat the bottom panels that are exposed to the environment.

The short answer is, if you plan to keep your vehicles more than 5 years, and you live where rust is a problem, you should get your vehicle rustproofed, and undercoated. And, for best results, that should be done in the first year.

The problem then is, most applicators, do not do it properly. They often are either poorly trained, or just not interested in anything but profit. The material is expensive, so any they don't give you, is money in their pocket.

I've spent my whole life cutting cars that were "rustproofed" apart to repair them, after they were wrecked. From seeing them do sloppy workmanship, to flat our fraud, I've seen it all.

I would say less than 5% are done "right". And, 75% are done poorly. Their "warranty" is about having you come back every year, and so, the thought is, anything they miss this year, will get sprayed next year. Except, they put even less effort in it the next time. They expect you to either forget to have the annual "touch up" done, or sell the car before it rusts anyway. And, honestly, most cars can easily go 5 years now, with no help.

The other issue is, most vehicles now have foam, or other sound deadening insulation materials that make it impossible to do some areas.

The good news is, you can rustproof the easy areas yourself.

The most critical parts for corrosion, on most vehicles, is the bottom of the panels. i.e.-The bottom areas of the doors, hood, trunk, tailgate. These are pretty easy to do yourself, if you buy an aerosol can of rustproofing, (NOT UNDERCOATING), and a long extension tube to put on the nozzle. You can also use a piece of small diameter tubing to make a longer extension to put over the 6" one that comes with the can.

You can spray it in through the drain holes, and try to coat the inside as best you can. Allow the excess to drain out, (be prepared for it to get messy), and verify the drain holes are still open. Use a tooth pick to clean any out, after it has a few days to set up, if any are starting to close up.

Reapply every two years. Applying when the vehicle is dry, and hasn't been wet for several days, is important. Applying in the fall when it's cooler, will minimize odor, from the material.

Rustproofing in an aerosol can, is usually not available at auto part stores. You have to go to a body shop supply store to get it. And, even then you run the risk of having a counter man who is clueless about the difference between rustproofing, and undercoating.

Rustfree, (TP Tools & Equipment) Aerosol-Undercoating-and-Rustproofing.htmlmakes good quality products for doing this yourself. Including a kit to do the rustproofing and undercoating, with a compressed air suction gun. Be ready to do some disassembly, if you want to be sure you have gotten it all.

Rusfree's cavity wax kit, is enough to do several vehicles inner panels.

Transstar, 3m, and Eastwood all make a good aerosol rustproofing. Eastwood has a 24 inch extension nozzle available. https://www.amazon.com/Transtar-4423-Amber-Rustproofing-oz/dp/B00H2W3YZW, 3M Rust Fighter (24oz), Heavy-Duty Anti-Rust in Amber - Rust Proofing Products - Eastwood

The 3m product, and the Transstar product, are probably available at your local body shop supply store.
 
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Thank you everyone for the info!!
 
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Keep in mind, rustproofing, and undercoating, are two completely different things. And, require two completely different applications.

Rustproofing is a viscus, usually wax based product, that stays soft, and is made to seal seams, and coat inner panels.

Undercoating, is usually asphalt based, and is made to as the names says, undercoat the bottom panels that are exposed to the environment.

The short answer is, if you plan to keep your vehicles more than 5 years, and you live where rust is a problem, you should get your vehicle rustproofed, and undercoated. And, for best results, that should be done in the first year.

The problem then is, most applicators, do not do it properly. They often are either poorly trained, or just not interested in anything but profit. The material is expensive, so any they don't give you, is money in their pocket.

I've spent my whole life cutting cars that were "rustproofed" apart to repair them, after they were wrecked. From seeing them do sloppy workmanship, to flat our fraud, I've seen it all.

I would say less than 5% are done "right". And, 75% are done poorly. Their "warranty" is about having you come back every year, and so, the thought is, anything they miss this year, will get sprayed next year. Except, they put even less effort in it the next time. They expect you to either forget to have the annual "touch up" done, or sell the car before it rusts anyway. And, honestly, most cars can easily go 5 years now, with no help.

The other issue is, most vehicles now have foam, or other sound deadening insulation materials that make it impossible to do some areas.

The good news is, you can rustproof the easy areas yourself.

The most critical parts for corrosion, on most vehicles, is the bottom of the panels. i.e.-The bottom areas of the doors, hood, trunk, tailgate. These are pretty easy to do yourself, if you buy an aerosol can of rustproofing, (NOT UNDERCOATING), and a long extension tube to put on the nozzle. You can also use a piece of small diameter tubing to make a longer extension to put over the 6" one that comes with the can.

You can spray it in through the drain holes, and try to coat the inside as best you can. Allow the excess to drain out, (be prepared for it to get messy), and verify the drain holes are still open. Use a tooth pick to clean any out, after it has a few days to set up, if any are starting to close up.

Reapply every two years. Applying when the vehicle is dry, and hasn't been wet for several days, is important. Applying in the fall when it's cooler, will minimize odor, from the material.

Rustproofing in an aerosol can, is usually not available at auto part stores. You have to go to a body shop supply store to get it. And, even then you run the risk of having a counter man who is clueless about the difference between rustproofing, and undercoating.

Rustfree, (TP Tools & Equipment) Aerosol-Undercoating-and-Rustproofing.htmlmakes good quality products for doing this yourself. Including a kit to do the rustproofing and undercoating, with a compressed air suction gun. Be ready to do some disassembly, if you want to be sure you have gotten it all.

Rusfree's cavity wax kit, is enough to do several vehicles inner panels.

Transstar, 3m, and Eastwood all make a good aerosol rustproofing. Eastwood has a 24 inch extension nozzle available. https://www.amazon.com/Transtar-4423-Amber-Rustproofing-oz/dp/B00H2W3YZW, 3M Rust Fighter (24oz), Heavy-Duty Anti-Rust in Amber - Rust Proofing Products - Eastwood

The 3m product, and the Transstar product, are probably available at your local body shop supply store.

I want to thank you for taking the time to type this. Really awesome info!!!
 
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I want to thank you for taking the time to type this. Really awesome info!!!
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

I'm a big fan of Fluid Film when it's hot.

Getting it to spray and spread near freezing and below is difficult.

/edit - But I think Fluid Film rust proofing is more sheep-based
 
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If you can find a shop that applies it; check out waxoly I have it on my truck and am pleased so far.
They should be using two different products, one is used in the doors and channels and a heavier one on exposed surfaces.
I had my RAM done in "15" and it still looks very good on the entire underside of the truck.
It is getting thin in a few spots I think I'll take it in next summer for a touchup and reapplication.
It is also available for DIY

Waxoyl USA | Offering 36o of Protection from Corrosion.
 
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Hello, Considering buying a new Toyota 4Runner. What is everyone’s opinion on undercoating? Vehicle will driven in some salt during the winters.

I’m interested in some sort of DIY product. Maybe Fluid Film? I would like to spray the new vehicle as well as my older truck, etc.

Any input would be very welcome. Thank you!!
I use Krown rust proofing.Good stuff IMHO
 
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I’d say Fluid Film or Krown yes. Undercoating no. Undercoating is almost like bed liner and is more likely to cause problems. Undercoating was and is really more for sound deadining than any thing else.
 
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Check out a few videos from Eric on South Main Auto on Youtube and you will get what happens to rustproofed vehicles in NY. Peels off in big chunks with thick rust under it.
 
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Check out a few videos from Eric on South Main Auto on Youtube and you will get what happens to rustproofed vehicles in NY. Peels off in big chunks with thick rust under it.

I just watched part of one of his videos, that GMC had that coating done over previous rust and or salt accumulation without being cleaned and dried.
Undercoating properly applied to a clean undercarriage will not result in that crap.

I have had vehicles with various undercoating and corrosion prevention products and when properly applied they all help, good undercarriage washes are
a big part of corrosion prevention.

The quality of the steel or lack of also has a lot to do with it.

Manufactures don't want vehicles to last so poor designs, difficult to repair, inaccessible sensors, requiring cab remove to work on an engine, requiring transmission removal to change a timing ring or sensor. On top of tissue thin sheet metal and frames built to hold snow salt and other crap.
Makes for expensive vehicles with short lifespans.
 
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I had a truck undercoated a few years back. It supposedly was an $800 value package. I only paid $100 for it at a charity auction. Good thing. Most of it had fallen off within a year. But that probably says more about the prep than the product itself. But the smell of that stuff was terrible for about a month after application. Nothing I'd ever do again, especially at full shot price.
 
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I've never done it to a new vehicle because of the issues noted. However, Toyota did a recall on our Tacoma and did it for us.

For some reason, the Japanese have not caught onto how to stop rust. Think the German and American car manufacturers have, but, no, to the Japanese. They also seem to put their oil filters still underneath. They just don't get it, but otherwise build fine vehicles. That's all we have now.

Ralph
 
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For some reason, the Japanese have not caught onto how to stop rust. Ralph

I work on all vehicles. I can't say that current Japanese cars rust more than the rest. In fact around here, they may do a little better.

Aside from a tendency of the Japanese to use a slightly thinner gauge sheet metal, I don't currently see any substantial differences in the way the Japanese build their cars.

Thickness isn't everything. How long a panel lasts, has more to do with the quality of the steel, and the quality of the corrosion protection, (i.e. internal sealants, galvanizing, and paint system), than the thickness of the metal.

They all know that certain things they do, like the use of rubberized foam sealant, can cause panels to rot. They all still use it. Some in ways that could be considered malpractice, since, it's has been known for decades, it will cause corrosion to occur if used there.

It would not take a heck of a lot to build bodies that would last a lot longer. Thicker layers of zinc galvanizing, internal cavities coated with rustproofing prior to assembly, and better drainage for condensate, would go a long way. There just isn't any incentive to do it.
 
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It would not take a heck of a lot to build bodies that would last a lot longer. Thicker layers of zinc galvanizing, internal cavities coated with rustproofing prior to assembly, and better drainage for condensate, would go a long way. There just isn't any incentive to do it.

I had an '85 Chevy Astro van. At one point I scraped a rocker panel with the corner of my plow and thought "Oh boy, I out to get that at least primed ASAP" as it was dented and down to bare metal. However, it was winter, and as the weeks wore on with no sign or rust I took a closer look and could see that it was some heavy galvanized action going on there. I sold it at least 5 years later having never done a thing to it and there was not the slightest bit of rust (anywhere on the vehicle that I could see). It was over 10 years old at the time.

I later bought a '98 GMC Safari (same van, different badge). about 8 years in we had a near catastrophic incident in which both brake circuits failed within seconds of each other due to the brake lines being rusted out. When I sold it about two year later it was pretty much a Flintstone mobile.

So, yes - I agree that the quality of components and process can make a huge difference (both vehicles had been equally oil undercoated).
 
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Waxoyl do a clear and a black. I think the black is by far the best. Years ago, when cars used to dissolve in front of your eyes, a guy I knew always used to spray the oil he drained out of his engine all over the bottom, and his were rust free
.
 
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a guy I knew always used to spray the oil he drained out of his engine all over the bottom, and his were rust free
.

Chainsaw bar oil works well, too. It clings better and you get a good layer after you drive down a dry dirt road.
 
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I knew always used to spray the oil he drained out of his engine all over the bottom, and his were rust free.

People have trouble accepting this, but the floor of a vehicle never rots out from the outside in. It may get rusty. But, when a floor gets holes in it, it's always because there is a water leak.

May times those leaks are hidden. The windshield, back window, or cowl can have a leak that is only given away by a slight musty smell in the vehicle. And, damp carpeting when the rest of the floor is dry.

So, spraying the underside of the floor with oil, isn't critical.

If you took the time to coat the inside of the frame rails and cross members underneath with oil, that could help. But, oil will wash away over time. And, when you go to reapply the oil. there may be dirt that cakes up inside cavities which can prevent you from keeping the metal protected.

If you used a good quality asphalt based undercoating, (same level of effort), you won't necessarily ever have to reapply it.
 

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