Need advice on my kioti

[Egon]

Chances are your tractor is operating in a normal manner. ( If it acts properly when working off road you should have no problems ) Just have a little more patience. Might want to check hst oil level?

 

[K man]

Like mentioned before I have no problem working with the tractor. It just annoys me when going up hills I mean these hills are very steep and long. Unless someone is sitting in my seat at the time of going up hill then they would see what I mean. I don't think it is the tractor, the problem is the hills. I don't go down off my property very often but when I do it just irritates me of how slow it is at climbing. I have lots of patience just not use to HST power compared to gear drive.

 

[radios1]

Like mentioned before I have no problem working with the tractor. It just annoys me when going up hills I mean these hills are very steep and long. Unless someone is sitting in my seat at the time of going up hill then they would see what I mean. I don't think it is the tractor, the problem is the hills. I don't go down off my property very often but when I do it just irritates me of how slow it is at climbing. I have lots of patience just not use to HST power compared to gear drive.

the engine RPM should bog down if the HST is operating properly, if it don't , then there's a big loss of HP. in the HST you really can't compare the HST transmission to a geared transmission for efficiency.. note: 2 combative members are on my ignore list so I don't have to see their nonsense!..

 

[K man]

Thanks, appreciate all replies to my thread. I will have to travel up and down these hills more often so I can get use to the HST.
Also forgot to mention my 2014 CK 30 has only 73 hours on it so it shows how much I use it lol.

 

[s219]

I don't know of any HST tractor that does well on hills in high range. High is meant for flat roads and transport only. Work, which includes hill climbing, is for M and L.

 

[atsah]

Maybe post some pictures of said hills..

Radios1 is extremely helpful, coyote you need to calm down and find a better way to talk to people, you come across in a way that is very disrespectful, no need for it at all..

 

[DK35vince]

that's what I was thinking too, there is a big loss of horsepower somewhere!.. it makes you wonder how that tractor could do any useful work, if it can't even climb a hill easily!..

You have obviously never run a commercial backhoe, highlift, chipper, paver, Etc.
They don't do well when traveling on hills in high range/or gears either, low range they are brutes.

 

[atsah]

Depends on the tractor, I climb some pretty big hills with my little Massey with a 500lb weight box and a 5ft oversized bucket with tires loaded with rim guard in high range no problem. I had two NH TC45DA tractors that had a hard time climbing the same hills in high range. Not all hydro's are equal.

 

[LouNY]

I don't see how one can say much about the question without a lot more info;
I just had a 3 mile run with my 80 hp with just a brush hog on the back, some of the hills it made in "C" range and 4th gear, 1 needed 3rd and one I go from 4th right to 2nd.
Last week comeing home with a tractor, chopper and loaded self unloading wagon of corn silage with 225+ hp and an 18 speed powershift I had to drop down to 12th gear for one grade and 15th for two others.

It all depends on the hill and load and the speed and the gear or hydro speed selection.

 

[hawkeye08]

Someone mentioned about reduced power (not sure what brand) being caused by the 3pt all the way up and something out of adjustment so it was trying to go higher than it can and was robbing power. Make sure that is not your problem (just lower the 3pt a little so it is not all the way up). Good luck, Some of my hills are steep enough that I bog down in low range, have to remember to let up on the go pedal to keep rpms up..

 

[radios1]

Depends on the tractor, I climb some pretty big hills with my little Massey with a 500lb weight box and a 5ft oversized bucket with tires loaded with rim guard in high range no problem. I had two NH TC45DA tractors that had a hard time climbing the same hills in high range. Not all hydro's are equal.

there you go, it depends on the brand, and the brands commitment to quality Engineering.. slippage is wasted energy..

 

[K man]

Sorry guys, did not mean to start arguments between members. I was only asking for suggestions and maybe the title of my post was not properly named. As suggested by one member to try rename it to a more friendly question. He also suggested that I contact the Moderator to change it to a more appropriate post. I love my Kioti and not bashing the brand or anything.
Again sorry
Gilles

 

[Egon]

If the HST is operating properly and the operator is using it correctly RPM’s remain constant and ground speed varies.

 

[K man]

If the HST is operating properly and the operator is using it correctly RPM’s remain constant and ground speed varies.

Yes I agree with you Egon. I have noticed that working with the machine on flat grounds. Sometimes when trying to work with the loader if I am not in the right range the machine will bog down and as soon as I change the range it perks right up again. So definetally RPM and Range selection work together.

 

[K man]

I致e used a CK25 which is the most underpowered machine I致e ever used and it still beats what the op is describing. Either his hills are more like mountain atv trails or there痴 something wrong. Maybe something simple like a parking brake. I致e never found a hill on the road I couldn稚 climb in high range. As far as what痴 a typical roadway grade there痴 some pretty steep hills around my place.

I will give you an idea of how high the hills are. One hill is 1 mile long and I am going from flat ground to 1300 feet to the top. 2nd hill is 1/4 of a mile going from flat to about 500 feet and there are a few not so high in between. Now if you can find a hill around your area that is close to the same height and distance then you tell me how your machine performs as I am curious.

 

[Civich]

Do you have the throttle set at maximum rpm?
As far as the lever will move, aka wide open throttle.

For maximum performance, HST drives need pressure, flow and cooling. Achieved by running the engine at maximum rated rpm.

I can see having it bog in H but not in M
H is only for low load travel.

This reply from wagne223 is the one to pay attention to. In High range on the road the HST drive needs the maximum rpm the engine is capable of - forget about linked pedal - it can't keep up with the demand in High range. Just keep that throttle lever pegged out - that is what works for me on my NX4510. If your hills are so steep you bog down even at max rpm then your machine is telling you it needs a lower range.

 

[Amvcane]

I will give you an idea of how high the hills are. One hill is 1 mile long and I am going from flat ground to 1300 feet to the top. 2nd hill is 1/4 of a mile going from flat to about 500 feet and there are a few not so high in between. Now if you can find a hill around your area that is close to the same height and distance then you tell me how your machine performs as I am curious.

My CK35hst would never make it up those hills in high range. Doubt any Hst tractor would. I do think that my tractor would make it up in medium range with maybe 1/3 Hst treadle input. Letting off the Hst when the tractor starts to slow down will not increase speed, only torque.
Assuming that the hill is a constant slope and starting from a dead stop in the middle of the hill in medium range. Slowly apply the Hst, the tractor will start to move. Slowly apply more Hst and the tractor will increase speed until it bogs down. Let off a bit till it no longer bogs down. This is the maximum speed you will achieve on that hill in medium. Applying more Hst will only bog the tractor down more.
Is the hydro fluid up to operating temp when this is happening? Also, I see you live up North. Have you chosen a hydro fluid based on the ambient temps that you will be operating in? For example, John Deere sells hyguard and low viscosity hyguard. I live in NEPA and because of the temps I will be operating in, I need to use the low vis hyguard or something similar. To high a viscosity fluid in your Hst would not help matters.

 

[radios1]

If the HST is operating properly and the operator is using it correctly RPM’s remain constant and ground speed varies.

that implies the transmission slips. compare that effect to a geared tractor, the transmission don't slip, and just bogs down the engine instead if you're in too high a gear.. automatic transmissions have been designed for decades without slipping but a tiny bit..

 

[LouNY]

that implies the transmission slips. compare that effect to a geared tractor, the transmission don't slip, and just bogs down the engine instead if you're in too high a gear.. automatic transmissions have been designed for decades without slipping but a tiny bit..

I'm not a fan of hydro's but I don't agree with this statement;
all of the hydro's that I have seen or worked on or used are pretty much the same,
it is a variable displacement pump feeding a hydraulic motor, the further the actuating pedal is depressed the more hydraulic fluid volume the pump pushes to the motor it takes horsepower to push that fluid, backing off the hydro pedal is the same as down shifting a transmission, the further the pedal is pushed the higher the effective gear.

 

[wagne223]

I'm not a fan of hydro's but I don't agree with this statement;
all of the hydro's that I have seen or worked on or used are pretty much the same,
it is a variable displacement pump feeding a hydraulic motor, the further the actuating pedal is depressed the more hydraulic fluid volume the pump pushes to the motor it takes horsepower to push that fluid, backing off the hydro pedal is the same as down shifting a transmission, the further the pedal is pushed the higher the effective gear.

The premise of your statement is correct, however, to avoid confusion on another topic, I would like to point out that "variable displacement " pumps are only used on closed center hydraulic systems.

Most tractors under 50 hp use open center systems with a constant displacement pump.

Again, just to avoid confusion on a topic that come up frequently.

To reinforce what you said.....

More hydro pedal equals more speed less torque
Less hydro pedal equals less speed more torque.