3pt question on my 1705

[edgarrian]

Fellas,

I was wondering with the 1705's if you can separate the hydraulic functions of the 3pt and the mower deck. Another words can I leave my 3pt up and have my mower deck down? Im asking b/c I need to know if I can do this for my pto driven leaf vac.

Thanks
Jake

 

[WranglerX]

Fellas,

I was wondering with the 1705's if you can separate the hydraulic functions of the 3pt and the mower deck. Another words can I leave my 3pt up and have my mower deck down? Im asking b/c I need to know if I can do this for my pto driven leaf vac.

Thanks
Jake

What type of mower deck???... Are you referencing to a mid mount mower....

Dale

 

[edgarrian]

Yes it has MMM, However the leaf vac is a pull behind thats pto driven. And I was wondering if the hydraulics can be separate from each function rather than together. So can I lower and raise the MMM without having the three point do the same. Is there switch. I don't think there is atleast from what i have read from the manual

 

[Brotherdan]

Mine has levers on the left that operate each pto independently. Is that what you want to do?

 

[TheFarmerInAdell]

Just use some twine to tie the 3pt arms in the up position, then the mower deck can go up and down without the 3pt moving. I know you can lock the MMM in the up position to use the 3pt without moving the deck, just apply the same concept to the 3pt. The 3pt is a one way hydraulic cylinder so there is no down pressure on the arms.

 

[edgarrian]

Thats what the dealer said as well. Thanks for the reply. Trac Vac has a lift kit available but it seemed like unnecessary work to implement that into the three point of the tractor. I also inquired about the possibility of moving the hydraulic controls for the FEL by the seat. I guess there isn't a way to have that done. He did say that possibly the new models that will be coming out will have this feature of having a joystick by the seat to control the FEL which i think is a great idea.

Just use some twine to tie the 3pt arms in the up position, then the mower deck can go up and down without the 3pt moving. I know you can lock the MMM in the up position to use the 3pt without moving the deck, just apply the same concept to the 3pt. The 3pt is a one way hydraulic cylinder so there is no down pressure on the arms.

 

[Fiziksgeek]

The mower lift linkage is connected to the 3pt lift arm, so the short answer is no, you cannot separate the mower from the 3pt hitch. The long answer is that if you disconnect the lower 3pt arm from the lift arm and hold them up with a chain or something, then you can effectively separate the movement. If you do not disconnect the lower 3pt arms from the lift arm, the mower deck will not lower.

Here is a video of the installation of a grass catcher on a 3pt hitch. You'll see they disconnect the lift links and install "stabilizer bars". That holds the 3pt arms up, but disconnects them from the lift arms allowing the mower linkage to move.
Humboldt Compact Tractor Easy Installation Video - YouTube

 

[WranglerX]

Just use some twine to tie the 3pt arms in the up position, then the mower deck can go up and down without the 3pt moving. I know you can lock the MMM in the up position to use the 3pt without moving the deck, just apply the same concept to the 3pt. The 3pt is a one way hydraulic cylinder so there is no down pressure on the arms.

"Stay Chains" (Check Chains - Limit Chains) may be a option... And connect vac to chassis draw bar (tow point) ....

Dale

 

[Fiziksgeek]

"Stay Chains" (Check Chains - Limit Chains) may be a option... And connect vac to chassis draw bar (tow point) ....

Dale

The lower 3pt arms are connected to the 3pt lift arms with a solid link. You either need to disconnect them, or perhaps replace that link with chain. Otherwise, when you install check chains, the lift arm wont be able to drop either, and the mower linkage is connected to the lift arms.

 

[TheFarmerInAdell]

The mower lift linkage is connected to the 3pt lift arm, so the short answer is no, you cannot separate the mower from the 3pt hitch.

My bad. I thought it worked both directions with that. I thought you can keep the mower deck up, but use the 3pt. Or maybe that was on a Kubota? I looked at a few before buying my mom the 1705. I'm new to the 1705, and I don't have a mower deck.

 

[Fiziksgeek]

My bad. I thought it worked both directions with that. I thought you can keep the mower deck up, but use the 3pt. Or maybe that was on a Kubota? I looked at a few before buying my mom the 1705. I'm new to the 1705, and I don't have a mower deck.

You can do as you say, lock the mower up and still use the 3pt. The OP Wants to do the opposite, keep the 3pt hitch up, and have the mower deck go down. I think JD is the only manufacturer to offer independent lift (as an option) on the 1000 series.

If you are new(ish) to tractors, it may not be obvious what is doing the lifting. The 3pt arms that you connects do don't lift by themselves. They are lifted, via a connecting rod, by the upper lift arms, the mower deck lift is directly connected to the same lifting arms. So somewhere in there, you need to break that hard connection. I'm assuming the JD option is a separate hydraulic lift arm for the mower.

 

[edgarrian]

thanks fellas for the replies. I will be putting the unit together this weekend with some help from the neighbor. Should be fairly easy.

 

[TheFarmerInAdell]

You can do as you say, lock the mower up and still use the 3pt. The OP Wants to do the opposite, keep the 3pt hitch up, and have the mower deck go down. I think JD is the only manufacturer to offer independent lift (as an option) on the 1000 series.

If you are new(ish) to tractors, it may not be obvious what is doing the lifting. The 3pt arms that you connects do don't lift by themselves. They are lifted, via a connecting rod, by the upper lift arms, the mower deck lift is directly connected to the same lifting arms. So somewhere in there, you need to break that hard connection. I'm assuming the JD option is a separate hydraulic lift arm for the mower.

I'm not new to tractors, just new to sub compacts (a tractor is a tractor, right? :confused3: ). So if you disconnect the lower lift arms from the upper lift arms you can then tie up the lower lift arms and have the mower deck move freely. On my other tractors it's a simple pin that holds the lower lift arms to the connecting rods.

 

[atsah]

Remove the draft arms, hook the vac to the drawbar and your done..

 

[Fiziksgeek]

Remove the draft arms, hook the vac to the drawbar and your done..

Yes, Assuming its made, or easily adapted to connect to the draw bar, it really is as simple as this.

 

[WranglerX]

You can do as you say, lock the mower up and still use the 3pt. The OP Wants to do the opposite, keep the 3pt hitch up, and have the mower deck go down. I think JD is the only manufacturer to offer independent lift (as an option) on the 1000 series.

If you are new(ish) to tractors, it may not be obvious what is doing the lifting. The 3pt arms that you connects do don't lift by themselves. They are lifted, via a connecting rod, by the upper lift arms, the mower deck lift is directly connected to the same lifting arms. So somewhere in there, you need to break that hard connection. I'm assuming the JD option is a separate hydraulic lift arm for the mower.

The above is correct....

Pull 3PH into uppermost position, lock arms there with stay chains or some such thing and then pull the pins for the upper arms to link bars to 3PH arms to release the locked up 3PH from the upper operating arms that way you regain use of raise/lower feature for mower attachment (via upper arms) ... 3PH arms are up and out of way... Attach vac to chassis draw bar as mentioned above...

Dale

 

[edgarrian]

Yes it looks very simple to do. I appreciate all the feedback.

 

[irvingj]

My older 2310 is the same, and I do what Dale suggests. Took me a while to figure that out when I first got it!

I slip a piece of EMT tubing into the BH attach holes and use that to keep the 3PH arms up & out of the way for MMM use. This will allow the "fixed" 3PH arms (on the back/top of the transmission) to go up & down without hitting anything; they will raise & lower every time the MMM is raised or lowered. Not sure what you could do, however, if you don't have a BH...

 

[edgarrian]

Basically the same concept I however will be using my 3pt, it will just be unattached to the hydraulics which everyone here has pointed out where to make the separation so that i can keep functionality of my mmm and keep the 3pt stationary.

My older 2310 is the same, and I do what Dale suggests. Took me a while to figure that out when I first got it!

I slip a piece of EMT tubing into the BH attach holes and use that to keep the 3PH arms up & out of the way for MMM use. This will allow the "fixed" 3PH arms (on the back/top of the transmission) to go up & down without hitting anything; they will raise & lower every time the MMM is raised or lowered. Not sure what you could do, however, if you don't have a BH...

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[WranglerX]

Basically the same concept I however will be using my 3pt, it will just be unattached to the hydraulics which everyone here has pointed out where to make the separation so that i can keep functionality of my mmm and keep the 3pt stationary.

If you disconnect the connecting (lifting) rods you are going to have to use stay chains (check chains - limit chains) to maintain whatever height you want... When you disconnect from hydraulics 3PH arms will drop to lowest possible position (most likely on ground).... Keep in mind the hydraulics have absolute control of height of draw bar/3PH arms, with no hydraulics they will go all the way down....

You are back to basically to this concept to support 3PH arms (plus draw bar)...

(graphic lifted off Google Images)

Recommended by some you use hard link (stay-bars) in lieu of check chains....

Other thing to think of, will drawbar on 3PH arms interfere with PTO shaft, this will height critical....

Dale