Paying more for a kioti

[Engineer90]

Ok so first post of any kind on any forum, so take it easy. In the market for my first tractor. Not really new to tractors just first one that I will personally own. I only have 2 acres but it is in very bad shape as far as drainage goes. I have priced the 2 tractors I am looking at.

Kubota l2501 hst with loader, bucket, cruise, tank of fuel, and delivered for $18000 plus can get a box blade for an extra $200.

Kioti ck2610 hst with loader, bucket, floor mats, for 18700 plus 500 for box blade.

Seems the kubota is the obvious winner here but I hate several things about it. The kioti I absolutely love. It is very comfy as far as seat position and foot and loader controls. I've been looking and everyone has said the kioti was cheaper but I guess since the recent price increase this is no longer true.. my dealer was shocked that he got beat by kubota also.

Now it's time for the question. Should I pay more for a tractor that I like more even though I've only known they exist for 5 days? There is no doubt we know kubota is a good brand. But I'm still worried about kioti being reliable. My local dealer said the ck series has been almost trouble free since he has been selling them.

Any advice by someone with more experience with these brands and series.. My family only has John Deere and they are no where near my price range.

Thanks for the help..

 

[jeff9366]

Either/Or.

I spend 300 engine hours per year on a tractor.

Between Kubota and Kioti I would buy the tractor with the most comfortable operating station, with a STABLE dealer within twenty miles.

Check the weight on the Box Blades being offered. Box Blades under 100 pounds per foot of width tend to ride over the ground, rather than cut. A Box Blade is the most common implement used for Three Point Hitch counterbalance to max FEL lifts. Make sure you buy at least a 400 pound Box Blade, preferably 500 pound Box Blade.

You will not have any difficulty lifting DRY sand or DRY dirt with a lighter Box Blade, but when you need to lift wet material, equipment, or move green wood, examples of max lifts, you need adequate ballast on the Three Point Hitch or the rear wheels will lift off the ground.

Both tractors are 2,700 pounds, bare tractor. Ample for working two acres.

 

[airbiscuit]

..Seems the kubota is the obvious winner here but I hate several things about it. The kioti I absolutely love

I think you've answered your own question. Things you hate now, you'll hate more later. You will be happy with the Kioti for years to come.

 

[Tompet]

I think you've answered your own question. Things you hate now, you'll hate more later. You will be happy with the Kioti for years to come.

Agree. You've made your decision, that amount of money on a new tractor isn't worth second guessing yourself. Did you go back to dealer and ask to get closer to Kubota price to seal the deal? In any event, enjoy the Kioti!

 

[3rd Coast]

Ok so first post of any kind on any forum, so take it easy. In the market for my first tractor. Not really new to tractors just first one that I will personally own. I only have 2 acres but it is in very bad shape as far as drainage goes. I have priced the 2 tractors I am looking at.

Kubota l2501 hst with loader, bucket, cruise, tank of fuel, and delivered for $18000 plus can get a box blade for an extra $200.

Kioti ck2610 hst with loader, bucket, floor mats, for 18700 plus 500 for box blade.

Seems the kubota is the obvious winner here but I hate several things about it. The kioti I absolutely love. It is very comfy as far as seat position and foot and loader controls. I've been looking and everyone has said the kioti was cheaper but I guess since the recent price increase this is no longer true.. my dealer was shocked that he got beat by kubota also.

Now it's time for the question. Should I pay more for a tractor that I like more even though I've only known they exist for 5 days? There is no doubt we know kubota is a good brand. But I'm still worried about kioti being reliable. My local dealer said the ck series has been almost trouble free since he has been selling them.

Any advice by someone with more experience with these brands and series.. My family only has John Deere and they are no where near my price range.

Thanks for the help..

Can’t go wrong with either but sounds like you really like the Kioti. Don’t worry so much about the brand perception, they have been around for a long time. Kubota has a ton of dealers, that’s why a lot of people have them. I drove 2 hours, past at least 3 Kubota dealers to pickup my Kioti.

 

[Engineer90]

Agree. You've made your decision, that amount of money on a new tractor isn't worth second guessing yourself. Did you go back to dealer and ask to get closer to Kubota price to seal the deal? In any event, enjoy the Kioti!

Ok its gonna take some time to figure out multiple quote replies.

I went back to both dealers today, one reason was to look at the kubota again to see if I still hated it ( I do ), did not even talk to the sales person because it's a big place and didn't feel like waiting. And then I went to kioti dealer to talk about the kubota price because he said they have never been lower before. He showed me the paper where he figured the price out and how much he was gonna make on it. Didn't try to really talk him down much because he is already not making much. But while I was there I noticed that his service would probably be better than the big kubota dealer, it's just him, his dad, and maybe 2 employees. But as i was about the leave he had told me that there was gonna be a new rural king dealer coming to my town ( his store is 5 minutes from work but 35 minutes from the house) so now i have to start looking a rural king tractors.

 

[jeff9366]

In the market for my first tractor. Not really new to tractors just first one that I will own.

Now, The Question. Should I pay more for a tractor that I like more even though I've only known they exist for 5 days? There is no doubt we know kubota is a good brand. But I'm still worried about kioti being reliable.

Rural King/TYM purchase would be a crap shoot, in my opinion, especially for a first time tractor owner.

Rural King is not going to have experienced tractor mechanics. And every new tractor arrives with glitches.

I consider Kubota standard models and Kioti equivalent. TYM is not equivalent.

Your hard earned money, not mine.

 

[Engineer90]

Rural King/TYM purchase would be somewhat of a crap shoot, in my opinion, especially for a first time tractor owner.

Rural King is not going to have experienced tractor mechanics. And every new tractor arrives with glitches.

Your hard earned money, not mine.

My quick search earlier gave me the same feeling about them.. price seems good but after paying the interest on loan ( kubota and kioti are both 0% interest) you end up paying less for the kubota or kioti plus I'm sure service wouldn't be great as you said.

 

[jeff9366]

For most new to tractors a quality dealer, reasonably close, available for coaching, is important. Almost every new tractor is delivered with a minor glitch or two that requires correction. My Kubota dealer is six miles away. I feel my local dealer continues to add value to my equipment. Dealer proximity is less important to others, well experienced with tractors, who perform their own maintenance.

 

[airbiscuit]

Rural King/TYM purchase would be a crap shoot, in my opinion, especially for a first time tractor owner.

Rural King is not going to have experienced tractor mechanics. And every new tractor arrives with glitches.

I consider Kubota standard models and Kioti equivalent. TYM is not equivalent.

Your hard earned money, not mine.

+1 TYM is not equivalent.

 

[Engineer90]

For most new to tractors a quality dealer, reasonably close, available for coaching, is important. Almost every new tractor is delivered with a minor glitch or two that requires correction. My Kubota dealer is six miles away. I feel my local dealer continues to add value to my equipment. Dealer proximity is less important to others, well experienced with tractors, who perform their own maintenance.

I agree, I did just find out rural king did buy our local kmart and will be building a new store to open in 2019 which is really close to me, then the kubota store is one minute past that but it's an old company that won't be around much longer... most big name stuff around me is located in bowling green, ky which is where I work and go to school at so even though its inconvenient it's now really a deal breaker. Plus I am very knowledgeable when it come to working on stuff, plus I actually know how to look up info I need.

 

[Engineer90]

+1 TYM is not equivalent.

From what I gathered it's a bunch of different tractor parts used to make a new name tractor..?

 

[airbiscuit]

From what I gathered it's a bunch of different tractor parts used to make a new name tractor..?

They're an honest to goodness tractor manufacturer.

From Tractordata.com - The Tong Yang Moolsan (TYM) company of Korea was founded in 1960, primarily as a stainless steel products company. The firm expanded, and entered into farm equipment in 1977. TYM entered the US tractor market in 2004.

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There have been reports of difficult parts availability, sketchy dealer network, etc. They recently purchased Branson Tractors. They are not necessarily a bad tractor, just new to the US market, and it's not clear whether they will be the next Kubota, or the next Orphan Tractor (meaning abandoned)

 

[Engineer90]

They're an honest to goodness tractor manufacturer.

From Tractordata.com - The Tong Yang Moolsan (TYM) company of Korea was founded in 1960, primarily as a stainless steel products company. The firm expanded, and entered into farm equipment in 1977. TYM entered the US tractor market in 2004.

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There have been reports of difficult parts availability, sketchy dealer network, etc. They recently purchased Branson Tractors. They are not necessarily a bad tractor, just new to the US market, and it's not clear whether they will be the next Kubota, or the next Orphan Tractor (meaning abandoned)

Yea as I do more research on them I can see this.. I've never been to a rural king but is seems they are getting really popular here in Kentucky and are doing well, not sure about there tractors though I may have to take a short trip to a dealer near me and take a quick look at them, though I doubt they can compete with kubota and kioti although 8 year warranty is interesting.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Since you hate the Kubota, and love the Kioti, I'd get the Kioti. Looking at the specs for both models, the Kioti beats the Kubota specs handily in every metric except tractor weight, and those are almost a tie (within 50 pounds). Get the Kioti. I'd never spend my money to buy something I hated.

 

[Engineer90]

Since you hate the Kubota, and love the Kioti, I'd get the Kioti. Looking at the specs for both models, the Kioti beats the Kubota specs handily in every metric except tractor weight, and those are almost a tie (within 50 pounds). Get the Kioti. I'd never spend my money to buy something I hated.

This is probably what will happen, I usually just buy what I "want"(not need) even if I shouldnt. Out of curiosity I submitted a price request from a rk about an hour away just to see what it is although I doubt I would buy it.

 

[aspg4]

This is probably what will happen, I usually just buy what I "want"(not need) even if I shouldnt. Out of curiosity I submitted a price request from a rk about an hour away just to see what it is although I doubt I would buy it.

If you ever sit on a TYM you will be throwing rocks at all the other brands. Looked at Kubota, Kioti and LS before choosing TYM. Some time after my purchase I stopped by a Kioti dealer and when I sat on the Kioti it was like I was sitting on a third world tractor.....

 

[fried1765]

This is probably what will happen, I usually just buy what I "want"(not need) even if I shouldnt. Out of curiosity I submitted a price request from a rk about an hour away just to see what it is although I doubt I would buy it.

Engineer90:
I think you should research the Cabella's tractor story (horrible), and then consider what COULD happen, if the Rural King story should turn out to be similar.
I am an engineer also.
We tend to over analyze EVERYTHING.
Do your homework, consider the advice, and........buy the Kioti!

 

[oosik]

For goodness sake - get the tractor you love. With time that which you love will only get better - that which you don't love/enjoy will not improve. I will endorse the statement that a good dealer is important. They are a good source of advice and will stand behind their product - should the need arise. True disappointment is a dealer who does not care after the sales is made.

As for implements - - WEIGHT is definitely your friend. Example - I have a Land Pride RB3596 rear blade - 96" wide/weighs 565 pounds. Excellent for snow removal on my mile long gravel driveway. Somewhat close to **** on bacon for summer maintenance. Two years ago I purchased a new rear blade. Rhino 950 - 96" wide/1050 pounds. It cuts thru my "like concrete" driveway just fine. I can now maintain the driveway ditches, pull material up & out of the ditches and use it to maintain the driveway crown. Reverse the rear blade - drive forward - smooth my one muddy area - dries hard as concrete and smooth as a pool table.

Remember - weight is your friend.

 

[cphilip]

Im certainly happy so far with my 2610. Mine included filled tires so you should secure that at least. Only one QC problem so far and it was a improperly secured and placed hose clamp. This was taken care of promptly. I shopped dealers as much as I did tractors and felt I had found one that had longevity and stability. But the 2610 also was more comfortable and well laid out to me. There were other factors that lead me to this and I had a trade involved so price was complicated but I was in the same range I think as you are.