kioti dk40se will not turn over

[jaroban]

First I must say I have not figured out how to change my profile. I have a kioti dk40se with around 60 hours. This is a shuttle shift with a loader. This tractor is stored in a insulated building with cement floor. I have not started it for about three weeks. I went to start it and only get a loud click from the start stop solenoid. I switched the start and stop relays on the fire wall, pulled the ground cable off both ends and cleaned well (it was not dirty). Battery is new with 12.6 vdc.I then pulled the start stop (ss) solenoid out while holding in my hand I cycled the ignition key. The solenoid worked as I think it should. key on plunger out. key off plunger in. There is no safety seat switch on this tractor. The pto is off and the green natural light is on. After going through these steps I tried to jump at the starter.With the key in the on position. When I go from the red positive from the battery to the small red wire all I get is a spark. When I go from the battery positive wire to the other black wire the Bendix spins but the starter does not engage the tractor will not turn over. I have read through hundreds of post and have not found the answer I need. I have a shop manual ordered it should be here early next week. I purchased some more of the relays that are mounted on the firewall. I have not installed them as of yet. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks in advance Robby

 

[jaroban]

I just looked at all of the connectors under the left foot. One was real bad only two wires one red 12 v and a ground. I cut out the connector and used wire nuts. still have the same problem. Robby

 

[xcgreene]

You removed the starter solenoid to view the plunger engage and disengagement? If this coil still works properly, and I understand you correctly, it sounds as though the linkage from the starter solenoid to the bendix may be mechanically stuck and could be physically freed up. Also, If you had the solenoid opened up, how did the contact surfaces look inside?

 

[jaroban]

I did not remove the starter solenoid. I only removed the start stop solenoid. The one that makes the loud click when you turn the ignition. It is located in front of the fuel injectors. just above the oil filter. Robby

 

[xcgreene]

oh i thought you meant the starter mounted solenoid. But I do feel your issue may be the starter solenoid from the information here.

 

[jaroban]

I will try and pull the starter today and see if the starter solenoid has an issue. Thanks for the advice. Robby

 

[jaroban]

I checked the small wire from the ignition. Had power there when key was turned to the start position. I then pulled the starter off of the tractor. This starter was the most filthy motor I have ever seen. The solenoid would not even move. I pulled the solenoid off cleaned it up to where it would function. Then tackled the starter. The seal on the back of the starter was half on. I cleaned all the gunk out of it as well. I put it back together without the seals. The solenoid would function perfectly. However the starter would not spin with the gear in the forward position. I need a new starter. Do I have to buy from Kioti? Is there a cross to something else?

 

[xcgreene]

I checked the small wire from the ignition. Had power there when key was turned to the start position. I then pulled the starter off of the tractor. This starter was the most filthy motor I have ever seen. The solenoid would not even move. I pulled the solenoid off cleaned it up to where it would function. Then tackled the starter. The seal on the back of the starter was half on. I cleaned all the gunk out of it as well. I put it back together without the seals. The solenoid would function perfectly. However the starter would not spin with the gear in the forward position. I need a new starter. Do I have to buy from Kioti? Is there a cross to something else?

Nolts Power Equip wants $596 for a new factory starter (part# E5500-63016). This price is par for the course for any tractor starter of this size. Other places online i see have aftermaket ones for much cheaper, but we do get what we pay for here. It may be worth taking the starter to a local repair shop that rebuilds starters first. Perhaps they can get you fixed up for a decent price, instead of buying a new/ref one. I have had luck with this.

 

[jaroban]

That is my plan for tomorrow.

 

[jaroban]

Thanks for your response (xcgreen)

 

[jaroban]

Thanks for your response (xcgreene)

 

[jaroban]

Got the tractor running. The solenoid was not operating properly. Found the reason which is worse than the original problem. The bell housing Is full of water. The reason the starter was faulty was when the fly wheel was spinning the starter was getting drinched. The clutch is stuck in the closed position. I can not find a drain ( weephole) anywhere. I unhooked the front drive shaft cover and about 1/2 gallon of water came out. I will check tomorrow if water is in the front end.

Any idea where the water is coming from and where is the drain hole. Robby

 

[xcgreene]

Got the tractor running. The solenoid was not operating properly. Found the reason which is worse than the original problem. The bell housing Is full of water. The reason the starter was faulty was when the fly wheel was spinning the starter was getting drinched. The clutch is stuck in the closed position. I can not find a drain ( weephole) anywhere. I unhooked the front drive shaft cover and about 1/2 gallon of water came out. I will check tomorrow if water is in the front end.

Any idea where the water is coming from and where is the drain hole. Robby

The bell housing of the transmission has a plug at the bottom that should be drained on occasion. Its forward, close to the engine at the immediate bottom. Water can condensate in their over time through any linkage points, I recall, when splitting my JD 2510, about a gallon of water pouring out at first split. Had been closed for 40 years. If no oil, or coolant came out, I would not be too concerned. Have you driven through any rivers as of late?

 

[jaroban]

The last time I used the tractor it was very wet
However I never got the front end under
Water. There was only water that came out.
My concern is the throw out bearings. I will look for
That drain plug when it gets daylight. Do you think
That water got into the front differential ?
Ween I pulled the drive start cover if was
Full of water.

 

[jaroban]

I found the drain. No more water came out however.
No water present in the front end. My concern is
Is the throwout bearing and the clutch. The clutch
Has not separated. Robby

 

[xcgreene]

If you've got a flexible borescope, or one you can rent, it may be worth looking up through that drain hole and look at the clutch/throughout assembly if there is room enough to navigate the camera. It does sound like you may need to split the tractor, but a scope could confirm some ideas.

If your resources are limited, you can try to free up the linkage by being a little fast&loose with the pedal/linkage. Even get down to the bell housing and tap on the end of the main clutch lever that enters the bell housing, be gentle, but firm. You could also have someone try to pump the pedal while you tap. If you are lucky, this may free things up.

 

[jaroban]

Can I put the tractor in gear (not started)
And pull it with my truck? It seems to me
one of three things will happen. It will come
Loose,it will not come loose or it will strip
The clutch pads off. If it fails I still have to split the
Tractor.

 

[xcgreene]

Can I put the tractor in gear (not started)
And pull it with my truck? It seems to me
one of three things will happen. It will come
Loose,it will not come loose or it will strip
The clutch pads off. If it fails I still have to split the
Tractor.

With the tractor off and in gear, and the clutch pedal pressed down, pull the tractor with a truck. Either you'll drag the tractor, turn the engine, or you'll break the clutch free. I don't think you'll cause any harm so long as you don't overdo the towing. seems like a reasonable thing to try.

 

[rd_macgregor]

With the tractor off and in gear, and the clutch pedal pressed down, pull the tractor with a truck. Either you'll drag the tractor, turn the engine, or you'll break the clutch free. I don't think you'll cause any harm so long as you don't overdo the towing. seems like a reasonable thing to try.

You forgot "spin the wheels on the truck".

 

[jaroban]

I’ve got a big truck. Thanks for the input guys maybe I’ll get a try that tonight. Robby