Textron Recoil Electric UTV

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YardBikeBob

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I thought I'd pass along some info on my new "Farm Implement." It is a Recoil by Textron Offroad.

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The farm has its share of other implements: 2 ATVs, some motorcycles, and an LS tractor. Day in and day out, the most-used implement over the last 5 years has been a standard golf cart. I am surprised it has lasted as well as it has but it is getting long in the tooth.

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The Recoil started off from Bad Boy Buggies. They were bought by EZ-Go and then they were gobbled up by Textron. Textron also bought Arctic Cat this year and, soon, all Arctic Cat dealers will also sell the machines from what was Bad Boy Buggies which includes the gas-powered Stampede and the Recoil line of electric UTVs.

The Recoil uses 6 Trojan T-1275 12-volt batteries to provide 72 volts which the onboard controller converts to AC driving two motors, front and rear, to provide full-time 4WD and promising the equivalent of 38 horsepower. As the old golf cart might offer 3.8 horsepower, this is quite a step up!

So why an electric side-by-side? Just about zero maintenance. There are no issues of gummed up carburetors from stale gas or faulty fuel injection from bad sensors or engine control computer problems. There are no filters to change, no transmission to service, no CVT belts, no drive shafts or U-Joints to wear out. My wife uses the golf cart to care for her garden a couple 100 yards from the homestead. She might make the trip a dozen times a day: no motor to start or warm up. Hop in, turn the key, and go.

The only real competitor to the Recoil is Polaris Ranger EV. There they just pulled the gas motor and replaced it with a 30hp electric motor and 4 batteries. You still have the driveline maintenance and parasitic losses from the transmission and driveline. I think the Recoil is a better solution for my needs/desires. With 72 volts and twin AC motors the Recoil is certainly more state-of-the-art.

Why not stick to a golf cart? Because it was engineered to be a golf cart! Our property is hilly, rocky Missouri Ozarks and there is an occasional stream that crosses the property. The golf cart with its little wheels and primitive suspension is a rough, slow run around the property. The brakes are rear only and cable-operated which, with water crossings, means one side locks up and the other often just squeaks. Our cart is a 48 volt DC Club Car Precedent we bought used. I replaced the 4 batteries over its service here but otherwise it has been dead reliable. There is a whole industry to lift and "off-road" a golf cart but I think that barely makes sense even for suburban types (gee whiz factor notwithstanding).

I have already farkled-up the Recoil. From the dealer I got the roof and windshield. I added a speedometer from Trail Tech mostly to get an odometer and hour meter (and volt meter).

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The dash on the recoil is pretty sparse. There is a a "fuel gauge" and parking brake light. The switches are lights and a speed control for max speed or max distance. They don't offer a speedometer so I added one. This required some shade-tree engineering to add the pick-up on the front axle.

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How fast does it go? In max speed mode I'm seeing 24 mph and in max distance mode 15 mph. We have a loop around the area of 14 miles and it managed that in max-distance mode with the "fuel" gauge showing a little over 1/4 tank when we got back. That is plenty of speed and distance for our usage.

As we're certainly not the fastest thing on the county roads, I added a rear-view mirror. This required some whittling on a piece of oak scrap on the table saw to get the angles right to mount a $10 mirror from Amazon.

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I also added a Kolpin Rhino Grip for a "gun rack" on the Recoil. When not used as right-wing militant transport, it also carries shovels and other implements out to the garden.

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This is a quality product. I might need another one for a rack under the roof.

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The Recoil can tow 1000 pounds off the hitch and 500 pounds in the rear bed. This really distances itself from a golf cart and is on par with all the usual gas-powered UTVs.

So what am I giving away with going electric? If my neighbors want to make an afternoon tour on their UTVs, I won't take the Recoil. I have an ATV for that. But as that so rarely happens, it is not much of a hardship. For what we do around the farm, I'm hoping the Recoil will be ideal and with its added range and speed, I can really expand where we go and what we do compared to the lowly golf cart.

I bought mine from Parker Powersports in Parker Colorado and everything about the deal was great other than trailering it home. I'm pretty frugal and $12Kish is a lot of money for anything. But it is competitive with the other name-brand new UTVs out there and, besides, you're paying for 5 years worth of fuel up front. Just plug it in overnight and you're good to go. And, yes, I really like that it is so quiet. The motor whine is background noise to the sound of the tires rolling.

My only real ***** is that the rear suspension is leaf springs and, with the weight of the batteries, it can be a pretty rough ride at speed. The front IFS is supple in comparison. They offer a Recoil with IRS but that seemed too much money to me while sitting in the showroom. Now I wonder a little bit.

Bob
 
   / Textron Recoil Electric UTV #2  
...They were bought by EZ-Go and then they were gobbled up by Textron...
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EZGO is owned by Textron...FWIW...
 
   / Textron Recoil Electric UTV
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EZGO is owned by Textron...FWIW...

Did not wish to imply otherwise.

A year ago, the legacy Bad Boy Stampede and Recoil lines were only available at EZ-Go dealerships. Next year, Arctic Cat dealers will have a Textron Offroad sign out front. Inside everything with wheels, from Wildcats to Recoils to ATVs, will be rebadged Textron Offroad. Traditional EZ-Go dealers will likely just have golf carts and industrial vehicles.

The only thing maintaining the Arctic Cat brand will be the snowmobiles.

Bob
 
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Did not wish to imply otherwise.

A year ago, the legacy Bad Boy Stampede and Recoil lines were only available at EZ-Go dealerships. Next year, Arctic Cat dealers will have a Textron Offroad sign out front. Inside everything with wheels, from Wildcats to Recoils to ATVs, will be rebadged Textron Offroad. Traditional EZ-Go dealers will likely just have golf carts and industrial vehicles.

The only thing maintaining the Arctic Cat brand will be the snowmobiles.

Bob

Sorry I misunderstood...Textron is a great company IMO...
I have a '97' TXT DCS 36 V EZGO cart...it has been fabulous with just general maintenance...like the energizer bunny...!
likewise it is by far the most used of all our other vehicles...
The Recoil is a beautiful machine BTW...
 
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My local Cat dealer has a Textron "Stampede" (900cc) UTV on his shop floor. It looks pretty cool but this one started at $20,747 (Canadian) not including some of the nice attachments they had on display.
 
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Good review Bob, thanks. I'd like to have an elec. utv.
 
   / Textron Recoil Electric UTV #7  
Slight correction - the Polaris EV uses 8 12v batteries in 2 strings (48vdc ea.) Quite pricey to repower, but most folks seem to get at least 3 years out of a set. OEM Trojan batteries run about $250 ea. Making sure they stay watered is the only routine maintenance.

In mine, I had been using "refurbished" group 31 batteries (about $65 ea.). Got about 18 mo out of them, and they are now starting to fail. Replacing a few at a time as they go out with new "Worldwide Batteries" group 31 xhd at $100 ea. These are supposed to have a 48 mo warranty.

Polaris also has the option of repowering with an aftermarket Li-I setup that runs about $7k. That's what I hope to do with mine someday, maybe as Li-I cell prices continue to come down.
 
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Slight correction - the Polaris EV uses 8 12v batteries in 2 strings (48vdc ea.)

Wow. 8 Batteries? I had no idea.

Electric UTVs have a lot of strange compromises and, even from the web site, it is difficult to compare specifications. For instance, the Ranger EV web site lists a 'dry weight' of 1,350 pounds. I have to scratch my head on that one.

The Textron site quotes my Recoil weight of 1,760 pounds. I am positive the Recoil has 6 Trojan T-1275 batteries because I lift the seat and count them. Trojan specs their batteries as weighing 85 pounds each (X 6 = 510 pounds).

As a point of reference, the chores are often done around here with my Yamaha Big Bear 400 IRS ATV which has a listed weight of 560 pounds. Golly, so there is almost a Big Bear under the seat of the Recoil?

And then the hot set up for repower is lithium ION. The sticker shock is offset with a 70% weight savings over lead/acid tech. But isn't taking 360 pounds (20% total weight) out of the UTV going to require new shocks/springs so it won't ride like a coal cart? Good luck finding aftermarket parts for that!

So, again, strange compromises. I plan to use the Recoil as a heavy duty, extended range, AWD farm support vehicle (okay, macho golf cart) and not try to compete with sport/gas UTVs and I hope it will be fine. The problem with these things is there is such a small peer group to make realistic comparison scenarios. Yes, I've read all the historical reviews.

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My other ATV is a Can Am Outlander 650 Max XT. Nice, fast, comfortable ride. I can think of no faster way to break the Recoil than to let my 2 grown sons take them both out unsupervised!
 

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For some shameless advertising/endorsement, the "Voltronix" folks seem to have by far the upper hand in Li-I repowering (just ask XfaxMan). Seem to be extremely well engineered "kits". I wonder if an e-mail to them or message on their web site might prompt them to start thinking about a 72vdc kit for the Textrons?
 
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Slight correction - the Polaris EV uses 8 12v batteries in 2 strings (48vdc ea.) Quite pricey to repower, but most folks seem to get at least 3 years out of a set. OEM Trojan batteries run about $250 ea. Making sure they stay watered is the only routine maintenance.

In mine, I had been using "refurbished" group 31 batteries (about $65 ea.). Got about 18 mo out of them, and they are now starting to fail. Replacing a few at a time as they go out with new "Worldwide Batteries" group 31 xhd at $100 ea. These are supposed to have a 48 mo warranty.

It is far better to replace all the batteries at one time ( with l/a batteries anyway) otherwise the degraded batteries will degrade the newer ones faster...This is the way it is with 36, 42, 48 etc. volt carts with whatever arrays of 6, 8, 12 volt batteries...
 
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Yeah, thanks, I'm aware. I use DVOM, then load tester, then hydrometer (in that order) to pretty closely watch all of them. If any of the old ones show signs of problems, they'll quickly get axed as well.
 
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Took a tour on the Recoil today. The TrailTech speedometer is mounted and counters reset. Started off on 'speed' mode and then just didn't pay attention. Dirt roads, U.S.Forest access roads. Some highway. We were not going fast, just puttering around. When the Recoil gauge showed half, set the switch from fast to eco mode.

Went 21.5 miles and the Recoil 'fuel' gauge was saying we were a dead duck the last 6 miles. The gauge was showing flat empty and a yellow warning light was lit. Oddly, the TrailTech wasn't nearly so gloomy.

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As the TrailTech measures voltage for only 3 of 6 batteries whatever it says you double it. It says we still had 70.4 volts in the batteries. I'm not sure what to think of that. Before charging I tested 1 cell with a hydrometer.

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It was right on the Good/Fair line. 4 hours of charging and everything was reporting full but another hydrometer reading and the needle barely budged.

The last picture is the report off the status screens of the TrailTech.

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I don't know why the Recoil's gauge is so gloomy. But it was a great day to spend 2 1/2 hours exploring the local terrain.

Bob
 
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Here is an update on my Textron Recoil. 8 months of ownership and now have 350+ miles and 50+ hours on it with little to complain about. It has never been back to the dealer nor has there been any reliability issues.

In review, it is a 6-battery, 72 volt, twin AC-motored, AWD electric side-by-side. Mine is the one with the dump bed; current models are all four seat with 2 rearward facing flip seats. I'm glad I don't have that one but I do wish I had the independent rear suspension as the solid rear axle does ride pretty harsh.

It is an upgrade from a conventional Club Car Precedent golf cart we had for years. As for ergonomics, the golf cart was actually better. For comfortable seats, good leg room, decent weather protection from the top, and low CG stability, the golf cart guys got that right years ago. This isn't a specific criticism of the Recoil; I've noticed just about all SxS could learn lessons from golf carts on how to get old 'stout' people around in comfort. But the driveline on golf carts are primitive whereas the Recoil is a huge step-up in off-road mobility and going from, maybe, 3.8hp to 38hp adds a lot of capability.

As for engine performance, the Recoil is near state-of-the-art with its AC motors, 72 volt electrics, and intelligent controllers. It is still lead-acid battery technology both in performance & price and I really can't complain from a value standpoint as it does its job. It has two speed settings. The low setting is gentle take off and maxes out at 15mph and works fine around the farm we almost always leave it there as it maximizes battery charge. Within 15 miles or so the charge meter is below half and we plug it in overnight. That is every 3 or 4 days of use.

We live along a dirt road in the Missouri Ozarks. There are plenty of areas to explore out in the country. When we take the 2-mile trek out to the highway feed store, I'll use the high setting and it will motor right along at 25mph which is as fast as the suspension wants over the gravel, dirt, and often rutted country road.

As part of the electronics package, it relies heavily on regen braking. So much so that you seldom have to use the brakes at all as letting off the foot feed will bring the SxS to a stop quickly. Also, when traversing a steep downhill, the regen action will let you crawl down the grade at a snail's pace without applying the foot brake. I watch the volt readings on the TrailTech and, yes, you can see the voltage rise (sometimes a lot) on downhills. This all seems like a great advantage except for one: I was once off to the feed store, in high, and was carrying too much speed into a gravel corner. Letting off the foot feed kicked in the regen (and resultant braking) and the Sxs continued to plow forward with understeer overwhelming the tires. Hadn't thought of that! If you want to coast, you better do it at part throttle.

The regen is also a good thing as the manual brakes are high effort with a wooden feel. You wouldn't want to rely on them a lot.

The Recoil has motors on each axle with open differentials. Thus it is always in 'turf' mode but that really hasn't proven much of an issue. If you're wanting to do serious 4WD off-roading you shouldn't buy a Recoil. However, we have some steep enough trails in the forest and the Recoil has no problem crawling up them. One front tire may spin but, with most of the battery weight on the rear axle, the rear end maintains traction to clear the summit. All of this is done at a walking pace. One look at the suspension components and you know this isn't a high-speed off-road machine. I'm sure some owners might talk about how fast it will cover terrain but we have other machines for that sort of stuff.

The rear cargo box is rated at 600lbs and that seems sufficient. It'll fit five 80# bags of cement to haul back from the store (which greatly improves the ride!) or haul a 55 gallon water barrel out to the garden patch. The complaint is lift over height but life is a compromise. As the floorboard step-over is 18" I do wish the thing was designed lower to the ground. Tailgate height is 40" with box sidewalls another 8".

It offers a receiver hitch with a 1,000lb rating but that comes with a huge caveat: A tongue rating of only 100 pounds and, yes, I bent the hitch right away. The receiver is a bolt on contraption stamped and formed such that it really does bend easily (to protect the frame?). I bought a new one and reinforced it with more steel but now I'm a little shy to tow much back there.

The wife is quick to offer comparisons with the golf cart: rough ride, high step over, too high to load cargo, not as comfortable to sit it, poor rain protection, and can't haul 5-gallon buckets of garden supplies near as well as a golf cart. On the other hand, the Recoil is much more capable around the rough property and capable of taking long treks off the property, too. For her, the golf cart was transportation from the barn to the garden patch and that was all she needed. I take the Recoil everywhere around our 120 acres of Ozark hills and only use the ATVs for the roughest creek bottoms and narrowest trails.

Do I wish it had a gas motor and more like a 'real' SxS? No! Electrics are great for farm chores and general transportation. No engine to warm up. No starting procedure. No transmissions, radiators, oil changes, clogged filters, CVT belts etc. that need servicing. No gas going bad. No 'getting up to speed' to clear obstacles as it has max torque the moment it begins rolling. Max range of about 20 miles isn't a hardship for us and simply plugging it in overnight makes it good to go for another few days.

My son runs a Textron dealership, Parker Powersports in Parker, Colorado. His most consistent demographic is, surprisingly, me! Older folks who acquired country acreage and need something to help work the land. They all go for Stampedes or other utility SxS and don't give the Recoil a glance. Seems pretty odd to me. Maybe they think they also want something for 50 mile treks but I have ATVs and dirt bikes (or daily drivers) for that. I also have a tractor for the real chores. For everything else (ie, the vast majority of the time) the Recoil does everything we need without the overhead of a gas drivetrain.

Finally, there is one disadvantage to electric power I have observed time and time again. I've watched deer watch me as I chuff along on the tractor or zip around on the ATV. They hear me coming, of course, from first start up and are used to that sort of noise in the country. The Recoil, though is stealthy quiet. It really startles the deer for it to suddenly sneak up on them and they bolt!

This note got a little long but I've been meaning to catch up for awhile. Enjoy the day!

YMMV ~Bob
 
   / Textron Recoil Electric UTV #15  
Purchased a Recoil Crew at auction 8 months ago. Batteries were shot. I replaced them with a LiFePo4 setup and this machine is unmatched! We get very long rides, even in Speed mode, out of each charge.
I would appreciate knowing more about your accessories. A front basket would be helpful.
Also, do you know if anyone makes hard doors for this beast?
 

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