2013 Kioti DK35SE Information

[kantuckid]

I am talking on the phone to a one owner private sale about a 2013 Kioti DK35SE w/FEL, has 300 hrs.
I know the brand as I've owned my 2002 DK40 for ~13 years. I am also a retired wrench, so know how to size up a machine pretty well.
Tractor is inside storage, no notable history. What say you on pricing and things to look for that are model specific?
I've scoured the web and still calling a few dealers looking for left over models in my size range of 30-45hp. I much prefer a pre-regeneration/pre tier 4 tractor plus I like the heavier weight of the older series Kiotis.
Thanks for your thoughts.

 

[k0ua]

I am talking on the phone to a one owner private sale about a 2013 Kioti DK35SE w/FEL, has 300 hrs.
I know the brand as I've owned my 2002 DK40 for ~13 years. I am also a retired wrench, so know how to size up a machine pretty well.
Tractor is inside storage, no notable history. What say you on pricing and things to look for that are model specific?
I've scoured the web and still calling a few dealers looking for left over models in my size range of 30-45hp. I much prefer a pre-regeneration/pre tier 4 tractor plus I like the heavier weight of the older series Kiotis.
Thanks for your thoughts.

Well, I like mine, and use it all the time. Mine has more hours than that one. Make sure the loader level indicator rod and rod guide are very tight. I locktited mine and staked it too. They all loosen up and fall down and then you wad up the rod. If you have any specific questions, I will try my best to answer them. I gave 19,200 for mine when it was new. hydrostat open station. Not sure what it would bring now.

 

[xcgreene]

I really like my 2014 DK45se hst. No cab. Well built and reliable. I would absolutely purchase again. Bought 2 DK45seh's, both with a KL401 loader and a KB2485 backhoe. Splitting the total cost in half for one tractor setup I spent $29500 out the door. Take away ~$9000 for the backhoe and that's $20500 for tractor and loader together.

keep in mind the DKSE series is considerably different than the DK series.


whats the asking price?

 

[kantuckid]

These SE's are among the few Kioti, pre-tier 4 heavy enough gross weight to get me excited in their HP rating group. I am "in the process" towards a price. I'll PM a price paid to you or others who are long time members here but not an open price on the web. Now days the web is sort of forever with prices and they can bite you if you happen to make a great deal on something.
This tractor is a nice one & sellers motivated but timid on dealing as he seems to reply on a dealer for feedback.
Got some other Kiotis in the works but need a weekday to play on the phone.
The other tractor of interest is a 2013 DK40SE, 167 hours. I'm messaging that one too for price point, etc.. It's a whole days haul one way ~9 hrs, the DK35SE is a 4 hr RT.

One large difference in these two machines is loaders-the DK40SE has a KL401 and the DK35SE I need to ask??? which one
I understand the differences mostly as my paper shop manual is (conveniently perhaps?) for SE's.
Thanks for now...

 

[paulfun9]

I thought the DK35 SE came with the KL351 loader and the DK40 and 45 had the KL401. Big difference in ability if my memory is correct probably enough to merit me going the extra hours of driving if the price is close.


I would be curios to hear prices in a PM when your ready.

 

[k0ua]

I thought the DK35 SE came with the KL351 loader and the DK40 and 45 had the KL401. Big difference in ability if my memory is correct probably enough to merit me going the extra hours of driving if the price is close.


I would be curios to hear prices in a PM when your ready.

That is correct. While the DK35se can have the KL401, it was hardly ever set up that way. The KL401 has over 1200 lbs more lift, but it is noticeably slower. The Kl351 (which I have) has skinnier hydraulic cylinders and since the pumps are almost identical, the KL351 is snappy fast. The Chassis of the DK40se is 4 inches longer and the engine has one more cylinder too. Also the DK40se is nearly always fitted with taller tires. The KL401 is always fitted with a 72 inch bucket, and the KL351 is fitted with a 66 inch bucket.

The DK40se is definitely a "step up" literally and figuratively in the fact it is higher off of the ground, so a bigger "step up", and the loader capabilities are for sure greater, although I do pretty good with my faster but weaker loader. Believe it or not one reason I chose the DK35se over the DK40se was the wife (she has a bad back) had trouble getting on the step of the DK40se. So we got the DK35se with the shorter tires, it was much easier for her to get on. In the years I have owned the DK35se, I have not been disappointed in it.

As I have gotten a little older too, I don't mind the lower to the ground tractor either.

 

[kantuckid]

Getting older is the lucky aspect of tractor ownership. I'll post as i go on this journey further...

Tractorbynet has machine configurations which list two loaders as I passed on here. I have not ruled out a Mahindra either as these buyong binges move in mysterious directions as stuff comes available.
I got an interesting response this morning on a Kioti listed in KS Craigslist, my native state BTW.
The lady says her husband was hit in the head by a hay bale and the price listed is the payoff on their tractor.
Curiosity is up because I found a different one listed in VA on Craigslist which was a scam. "Lady" said her husband had a heart attack and she was selling, etc.. The story went on an on, sort of like a "Nigerian letter" if you've seen one of those? Fortunately most of us are honest and the scams are in the minority.

 

[kantuckid]

What about a 2014 DS4110 tractor, w/310 hours? KL402 loader on this one. Should I stay away from the Tier 4 engine? How long away is an expensive emissions part?

This 2014 has many similar items (shifter setup as just one e.g.) to my older DK40 so they must have had some parts they needed to use up on those DS series?

 

[k0ua]

What about a 2014 DS4110 tractor, w/310 hours? KL402 loader on this one. Should I stay away from the Tier 4 engine? How long away is an expensive emissions part?

This 2014 has many similar items (shifter setup as just one e.g.) to my older DK40 so they must have had some parts they needed to use up on those DS series?

There is a big difference in the DS vs the DKse series. The DS are "standard" tractors, the DKse are "upscale" or luxury tractor with many more features. Similar to the Kubota Grand L's.

 

[paulfun9]

I thought all DS tractors were tier 4 Intern not final meaning they don't have the emissions added on. My understanding is they were very able machines just no HST but had a power reverse option with an 8f/8r trans.

 

[paulfun9]

That is correct. While the DK35se can have the KL401, it was hardly ever set up that way. The KL401 has over 1200 lbs more lift, but it is noticeably slower. The Kl351 (which I have) has skinnier hydraulic cylinders and since the pumps are almost identical, the KL351 is snappy fast. The Chassis of the DK40se is 4 inches longer and the engine has one more cylinder too. Also the DK40se is nearly always fitted with taller tires. The KL401 is always fitted with a 72 inch bucket, and the KL351 is fitted with a 66 inch bucket.

The DK40se is definitely a "step up" literally and figuratively in the fact it is higher off of the ground, so a bigger "step up", and the loader capabilities are for sure greater, although I do pretty good with my faster but weaker loader. Believe it or not one reason I chose the DK35se over the DK40se was the wife (she has a bad back) had trouble getting on the step of the DK40se. So we got the DK35se with the shorter tires, it was much easier for her to get on. In the years I have owned the DK35se, I have not been disappointed in it.

As I have gotten a little older too, I don't mind the lower to the ground tractor either.

Thanks for the clarification I definitely believe the wife had something to do with the decision as did mine. I prefer a shuttle myself but the wife prefers the HTS so I would probably be running something way different for my home use if it wasn't for her. Around here the loader speed is second to lift so the 401 is more desirable for me.

Getting old sucks! I Just had an other one of those things we call a birthday and I realized I am no longer old but now qualify as ancient.

 

[kantuckid]

This DS 4110 is a dealer item so I'm calling Monday. Web says they are "pre-tier 4" and every way i looked that up it is what this 2014 has on it. To go on, it also says stuff that seems to me to make it, what I call simply tier 4 period. It does have the power reverse per the ad.

The DK35SE tractor- I just talked to the guy about it again to ask some questions- it came from Kioti dealer with a 5' orange rotary cutter as OE set up. How good are they-who makes them?

As a thought- I currently have a 6' BH16 Bush Hog brand that I might be better off selling and buy his with the orange hog on it?- price wise, not quality wise?
His hog is a $500 part of his price point -I see BH16's priced out of sight from $1,900 up to $3,000, so I could pocket some money by taking in the hog I don't need.
Is 73 old?
My DK40 has shuttle & I like that one best. The only time I change gears much is when I'm rototilling my garden and creep in garden then back up faster after a gear change. Handy dandy those shuttle shifts. Now if I was playing fork lift operator I'd like a HST.

 

[k0ua]

This one is a dealer item so I'm calling Monday. Web says "pre tier 4" and every way i looked that up it is what this 2014 has on it. To go on it also says stuff that seems to me to make it what I call simply tier 4 period. It does have the power reverse per the ad.
The DK35SE tractor I just talked to the guy about it again- came from Kioti dealer with a 5' orange rotary cutter as OE set up. How good are they-who makes them?
I currently have a 6' BH16 Bush Hog brand that I might be better off selling and buy his with the orange one- price wise, not quality wise? His is a $500 part of his price point -I see BH16's priced out of sight from $1,900 up to $3,000 .

From what I understand the Kioti rotary cutters are Woods brand.

 

[kantuckid]

From what I understand the Kioti rotary cutters are Woods brand.

I guess I read that last week. What quality level is the Kioti rotary cutter is the real question? Size is no issue as I don't hog that many acres and not often either. 5' or 6' works fine time wise. The guy said he thought the DK35SE of his would run a 6' OK.

 

[k0ua]

I guess I read that last week. What quality level is the Kioti rotary cutter is the real question? Size is no issue as I don't hog that many acres and not often either. 5' or 6' works fine time wise. The guy said he thought the DK35SE of his would run a 6' OK.

That I don't know. I would say, just look at it, and judge the cutters overall strength and build quality by eye. My rotary cutter is a little 4 foot toy left over from two tractors ago. Needless to say it doesn't "tax" my DK35se's capabilities any. But I don't need a rotary cutter all that often, just to clean up a few brush trails once in a while.

 

[xcgreene]

I guess I read that last week. What quality level is the Kioti rotary cutter is the real question? Size is no issue as I don't hog that many acres and not often either. 5' or 6' works fine time wise. The guy said he thought the DK35SE of his would run a 6' OK.

Woods is a great "middle of the road" quality brand. Kioti rebrands a lot of their stuff from stump grinders to rotary cutters. With 35hp, that 6ft is pushing it. Though it is my opinion that if you are easy, have the proper shearpins or PTO shaft clutch in place for saftey, it would be just fine. I run a 7ft offset landpride behind my dk45seh.

Keep in mind, kioti sells a low hp, standard duty, medium duty, and heavy duty line of rotary cutters. Each line with a number of cutting widths.

A 6ft low hp duty cutter may be fine behind your tractor, but the 6ft heavy duty may be far to much for the same tractor. They should all have recommended HP ratings, I try to stick to the largest cutter that passes the recommendation.

 

[kantuckid]

I tried google on Woods and Kioti versions but too many models, all are not alike. Does the Woods version have the rounded corner and clutch style drive as it comes? The dealer will know which it is better than this owner on the DK35SE, I asked him which loader and they are listed with two as I mentioned above-he only knows it's all orange.
The BH16 Bush Hog is called "medium duty" but far above the discount hogs.

 

[xcgreene]

I tried google on Woods and Kioti versions but too many models, all are not alike. Does the Woods version have the rounded corner and clutch style drive as it comes? The dealer will know which it is better than this owner on the DK35SE, I asked him which loader and they are listed with two as I mentioned above-he only knows it's all orange.
The BH16 Bush Hog is called "medium duty" but far above the discount hogs.

the newest 6ft medium duty Kioti rotary cutter is the RC3072, which recommended HP is 30-120hp I'm not sure if woods makes ALL of kiotis cutters, but I know their medium duty cutters are just fine. To the point where it's far more about how you take care of it, than whether or not its rugged enough.

 

[kantuckid]

The selling dealer on the DK35SE said it was too far back to remember the rotary cutter model that was added to that tractor. They dropped the King Cutter's painted orange because TSC sold them cheaper than his wholesale price. Probably is not a "Kioti" cutter though.
Mine is a Bush Hog SQ160 not the BH16 I stated above but still likely a better cutter than what the guy has on his as yes or no part of the deal. I could care less what color it is-mines standard BH red.

I'm not sure I quite get the details of a DK35SE as a higher end machine than a DS4110? That DS has a 4cyl engine, not 3cyl and has the same loader and I'm talking shuttle tranny either model. I've studied the differences on the web pages and see the DK weighs in @ 3,963#'s vs. DS @ 3,527#'s.
I remain a bit shy on the DS having Tier 4 emissions!

 

[k0ua]

The selling dealer on the DK35SE said it was too far back to remember the rotary cutter model that was added to that tractor. They dropped the King Cutter's painted orange because TSC sold them cheaper than his wholesale price. Probably is not a "Kioti" cutter though.
Mine is a Bush Hog SQ160 not the BH16 I stated above but still likely a better cutter than what the guy has on his as yes or no part of the deal. I could care less what color it is-mines standard BH red.

I'm not sure I quite get the details of a DK35SE as a higher end machine than a DS4110? That DS has a 4cyl engine, not 3cyl and has the same loader and I'm talking shuttle tranny either model. I've studied the differences on the web pages and see the DK weighs in @ 3,963#'s vs. DS @ 3,527#'s.
I remain a bit shy on the DS having Tier 4 emissions!

By "higher end" I don't mean necessarily mean weight, I mean features. Features that matter when you get older and weaker.