what on earth does electricity cost near you?

[MossRoad]

Wrong. There is far more government aid per capita sent to rural states than highly populated states. It's the country folk who enjoy being taken care of by the Feds.

Nine of the ten states with highest percentage of federal aid are rural red states. Eight of the ten states with least government assistance are blue states with big cities.

A state is not an urban center. A city is. Find a map broken down by county. I've looked and can't find one. It would be interesting.

BTW....
Which States Rely the Most on Federal Aid? New Map Has the Answer – TheBlaze

 

[Zerk]

Wrong. There is far more government aid per capita sent to rural states than highly populated states. It's the country folk who enjoy being taken care of by the Feds.

Nine of the ten states with highest percentage of federal aid are rural red states. Eight of the ten states with least government assistance are blue states with big cities.

I don't know if true or not. I have that stat skewed different ways.

But I do claim city folks are used to be taken care of by government services and amenities. They do pay for them with high taxes.

 

[Zerk]

Low payments or an electric bill, makes no difference, your gonna pay someone regardless. I'd rather it be for my system which I can use to be self sufficient after paid off.

Sounds like you have a axe to grind for personal reasons and have little to no actual personal experience and are just flapping your gums

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It wouldn't be a low payment if someone wasn't paying your share. Not saying I blame you for taking free money, but I don't believe in taking money from other people and giving to someone else just so they can lower their bills. It is not a social secruity net in this case.

I work in the energy industry, so I know more then most. Plus I believe in limited government.

 

[adkhunter1590]

It wouldn't be a low payment if someone wasn't paying your share. Not saying I blame you for taking free money, but I don't believe in taking money from other people and giving to someone else just so they can lower their bills. It is not a social secruity net in this case.

I work in the energy industry, so I know more then most. Plus I believe in limited government.

It's not some free hand out like welfare. It's the government investing money into renewable energy. Does it lower my monthly bills, yes. But it also pumps energy back into the grid which helps everyone. The more people using renewable energy the better for mankind. It's a taxpayer investment into our future. The government wastes far more money on feeding lazy out of work leeches than they do on solar credits for homeowners. So hop on down from your high horse there for a min and see the bigger picture.

 

[Zerk]

I don't believe it is the governments role, especially since I am not sure the payout is is equal to the investment.

I have a compass.

Renewable energy takes alot of other stuff to make it. I am always curious if you are really saving your soul.

 

[check]

Speaking of government, apparently the Ontario government is going to announce tomorrow that they're cutting our electricity rates by 25%!

 

[MossRoad]

Lights off by 8:00PM comrad?

 

[IslandTractor]

I don't know if true or not. I have that stat skewed different ways. But I do claim city folks are used to be taken care of by government services and amenities. They do pay for them with high taxes.

It's obvious that cities are different than rural areas and need different services. Increased population density has consequences. Public transport is one example. Professional fire departments is another. Public water and sewer also. But city folk don't require the services of government funded agricultural services and require far less road investment per capita too.

It is silly though to criticize urban dwellers for consuming large amounts of government services for the simple reason that something like 80% of the US population lives in metropolitan areas. Of course most government services are going to cities and suburbs, thats where the people are. And, don't forget, those metropolitan regions produce excess wealth that subsidizes rural areas.

 

[Looking4new]

Speaking of government, apparently the Ontario government is going to announce tomorrow that they're cutting our electricity rates by 25%!

This I gotta see!
The Premier is playing a shell game. Lower hydro bills and raise taxes.

 

[Zerk]

It's obvious that cities are different than rural areas and need different services. Increased population density has consequences. Public transport is one example. Professional fire departments is another. Public water and sewer also. But city folk don't require the services of government funded agricultural services and require far less road investment per capita too.

It is silly though to criticize urban dwellers for consuming large amounts of government services for the simple reason that something like 80% of the US population lives in metropolitan areas. Of course most government services are going to cities and suburbs, thats where the people are. And, don't forget, those metropolitan regions produce excess wealth that subsidizes rural areas.

City vs rural people have a different mentality. Look at the way America votes. Take a mixed state. Cities and college towns vote one way, and rural another. Rural states tend to vote one way. This does show how people think and depend on government.

In the country I have very little city services. Not trash pick up, I have to dispose of my own leaves, we don't have periodic disposal of big items. I have to find a place to take those, it is not included in my taxes.

People move to the city, cause that is the type of person they are. It progress as you compare bigger cities. Living in the country is more individual, and that to progress further out you get.

 

[IslandTractor]

City vs rural people have a different mentality. Look at the way America votes. Take a mixed state. Cities and college towns vote one way, and rural another. Rural states tend to vote one way. This does show how people think and depend on government.

In the country I have very little city services. Not trash pick up, I have to dispose of my own leaves, we don't have periodic disposal of big items. I have to find a place to take those, it is not included in my taxes.

People move to the city, cause that is the type of person they are. It progress as you compare bigger cities. Living in the country is more individual, and that to progress further out you get.

You are digging yourself a hole here. Why do people move to the city??? How about greater opportunities?? How many valedictorians from country high schools stay at home rather than heading off to seek their further education and opportunities in urban or metropolitan areas? How many country folks who dropped out of high school move to Seattle to work as engineers for Boeing or Microsoft? How many folks with doctorates choose to live and work in rural areas? The opportunities are simply not in rural areas. Not knocking farmers as obviously the most talented farmers have no opportunity in the urban economy. And, there are very valid family reasons to stay where you were born or where your spouse came from too. But ask yourself, where did the top 25% of your local rural high school class end up living 10-15 years after graduation? Compare that to the bottom 25%.

The issue is not "wanting to live free" versus "I choose to suck government teat". The issue is where opportunities in the modern economy are found. Name a few high tech or internet startups that are based within a few miles of corn or wheat fields.

And, before you accuse me of disrespect for rural citizens, my grandparents were farmers, miners, small businessmen and a local GP. Half from red states, half blue. Half rural, half metropolitan.

 

[3930dave]

the bigger picture....

.... has various elements.....

.....Solar PV manufacturing is not the squeaky-clean industry that it is socially projected to be.....

..... Hydro-electric is obviously renewable, and is not as evil as the Green Saviours socially project it to be....

Rgds, D.

 

[Zerk]

YBut ask yourself, where did the top 25% of your local rural high school class end up living 10-15 years after graduation? Compare that to the bottom 25%.
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It is hard to argue with made up numbers. Why are you even on a site that is about tractors? Shouldn't you be swilling gin at the country club?

But around here, you get a good job, to build a big house in the country. Whether doctor or lawyer, or get a job at the paper mill. Not to many mills in NYC, I am guessing. Plenty of electricians and plumbers out here in the country, making good money, they work on doctors house, that are out in the country.

There is life outside of the urban plight and disease you know.

 

[Looking4new]

Speaking of government, apparently the Ontario government is going to announce tomorrow that they're cutting our electricity rates by 25%!

If that is in fact the case, then I can expect to pay $182.97 x .75=$137.23 next month? I gotta see this to believe it.

The rate cut will be 17% on top of the 8% from January, but the additional 17% wont take effect until the June bill. So by my math it will be $182.97 x .83= $151.86 I still gotta see it to believe it.

 

[MossRoad]

8.5 cents per KW hour.

 

[adkhunter1590]

You are digging yourself a hole here. Why do people move to the city??? How about greater opportunities?? How many valedictorians from country high schools stay at home rather than heading off to seek their further education and opportunities in urban or metropolitan areas? How many country folks who dropped out of high school move to Seattle to work as engineers for Boeing or Microsoft? How many folks with doctorates choose to live and work in rural areas? The opportunities are simply not in rural areas. Not knocking farmers as obviously the most talented farmers have no opportunity in the urban economy. And, there are very valid family reasons to stay where you were born or where your spouse came from too. But ask yourself, where did the top 25% of your local rural high school class end up living 10-15 years after graduation? Compare that to the bottom 25%.

The issue is not "wanting to live free" versus "I choose to suck government teat". The issue is where opportunities in the modern economy are found. Name a few high tech or internet startups that are based within a few miles of corn or wheat fields.

And, before you accuse me of disrespect for rural citizens, my grandparents were farmers, miners, small businessmen and a local GP. Half from red states, half blue. Half rural, half metropolitan.

You must be on some good stuff if you think only successful people live in the cities.

I was 1 point away from valedictorian and had no interest in college or moving to any sort of city. But of course I did both and hated every min of it. Being stuck around the stuck up city yuppies that couldn't help themselves if their lives depended on it.

My family is loaded by the way, and none of them have ever lived in a city. Or within 30 miles of one. So what's that say about "no opportunity" in rural areas?

I think you have it backwards. There's way more poor people scavenging in the cities than out here. It's costs a lot of money to live in rural areas most of the time. Especially in states like mine (NY) that have astronomically high taxes on land and everything else. You city folk don't pay 15k a year in taxes to live in your tiny apartments.

To own a house with land costs tons of money in upkeep and your transportation costs are much higher. I need a 4x4 truck that costs 45k to get around out here, city folk jump on a subway or walk for free.

Rural living isn't for the weak. City living is easy which is why so many do it. Your tech jobs of course gravitate towards cities because the people who do that stuff were your classroom nerds that function better on a computer than behind the wheel of a tractor or swinging a hammer. If computer programming was something a logger did, you'd see Apple and Microsoft headquarters being built in the forest.

 

[3930dave]

If that is in fact the case, then I can expect to pay $182.97 x .75=$137.23 next month? I gotta see this to believe it.

The rate cut will be 17% on top of the 8% from January, but the additional 17% wont take effect until the June bill. So by my math it will be $182.97 x .83= $151.86 I still gotta see it to believe it.

IF it actually happens AND the electorate actually falls for this heifer dust of "Oh, we accidentally yanked up rates by 80%, so we expect you peasants to fall all over yourself being grateful we drop it 25%" routine, THEN this province is well and truly done for. Fool Us Once........ Fool Us Countless times.....

Any hypothetical elec rate reduction would be offset by some other general tax, and obviously there would be nothing to stop another majority govt from going back to yanking the rates up 3 months after they are back in.

Rgds, D.

 

[3930dave]

8.5 cents per KW hour.

Any fairy-tale fees on top of that, or is that Total Bill / kwh ?

Rgds, D.

 

[check]

If that is in fact the case, then I can expect to pay $182.97 x .75=$137.23 next month? I gotta see this to believe it. The rate cut will be 17% on top of the 8% from January, but the additional 17% wont take effect until the June bill. So by my math it will be $182.97 x .83= $151.86 I still gotta see it to believe it.

I heard on the radio yesterday that the price reduction will be greater for more remote areas, so I am hoping that I can get more than a 25% reduction on my two properties up in cottage country. We'll see.