New Deere lineup changes? 5000R..?

[AKfish]

Any info regarding possible new tractor offerings from Deere? Substance to the 5000R rumor? Thanks.

 

[jenkinsph]

I have not heard anything yet. Just wishing for an ehydro version as we have both talked about before.

 

[AKfish]

I have not heard anything yet. Just wishing for an ehydro version as we have both talked about before.

OK. Yeah, eHydro or heck... A powershift! Not just an "overdrive" 2-speed like the currently available PowrReverser on the M model. But, a 4-speed powershift with a 4-6 synchro range that you can shift on the go with the clutch.

Just like the old, small frame 6000 series Premium tractors. Heck, the current M's (2014) are only 4 inches shorter wheelbase and about a 1,000lbs lighter than the older, Premium series.

The jump up now, to the new series 6's is 11 inches and 3,500lbs!

Big, big difference. And a huge change from the old, Premium 6000 tractors to the new 6000M's and R's.

Upgrading the 5000's to include an R series could fill that gap. (A bean-counter and marketing analyst's wet dream!)

 

[jenkinsph]

I could go for a 5115 ehydro with 6 to 12 synchronized range gears. That would be perfect for my jobs. I may settle for a used 64xx series though.

 

[AKfish]

I could go for a 5115 ehydro with 6 to 12 synchronized range gears. That would be perfect for my jobs. I may settle for a used 64xx series though.

Looking at machines on Tractorhouse and Machinefinder, the "asking" price of a low-hour, 6000 premium tractor is less than a low-hour, 5115M! Crazy... I had an opportunity to demo a 6430P when I picked up a 458SS round baler in MN last year.

As I sat in the cab and looked around at the layout and got a feel for the size and handling of the tractor; I was struck by the realization that there was really very little difference between my 5075M and the 6430P in terms of physical size and handling!

Now...there was a HUGE difference in performance!

In large part; that experience is what got me thinking about selling the 4720 and moving up to a 6000 series tractor. I'd like to keep the 75M to move/stack/load round bales with and as a backup to the 6xxx for mowing and baling.

I'd have to take on more acres to justify the move. The wife does not want to do more hay... She's happy to stay with what we're currently doing.

We'll see.

 

[olPete]

Looking at machines on Tractorhouse and Machinefinder, the "asking" price of a low-hour, 6000 premium tractor is less than a low-hour, 5115M! Crazy... I had an opportunity to demo a 6430P when I picked up a 458SS round baler in MN last year.

As I sat in the cab and looked around at the layout and got a feel for the size and handling of the tractor; I was struck by the realization that there was really very little difference between my 5075M and the 6430P in terms of physical size and handling!

Now...there was a HUGE difference in performance!

In large part; that experience is what got me thinking about selling the 4720 and moving up to a 6000 series tractor. I'd like to keep the 75M to move/stack/load round bales with and as a backup to the 6xxx for mowing and baling.

I'd have to take on more acres to justify the move. The wife does not want to do more hay... She's happy to stay with what we're currently doing.

We'll see.

Really interesting.. hey if you do get a used 6400 series, don't get one with the ecu-controlled injection pump, you will see they have a plug on the rear of the pump, where the lines come off. It was a stepping stone model to meet emissions standards.
It's prone to trouble, the fuel control valve.. don't ask me how I know this or I may tell you.. I'd definitely look at the common rail engine over that setup. Good size tractor for hay work though.
Seems to be a good place to buy, in that range between 'big compact tractor' and 'small farmer's tractor', a trend around the globe.

 

[AKfish]

Really interesting.. hey if you do get a used 6400 series, don't get one with the ecu-controlled injection pump, you will see they have a plug on the rear of the pump, where the lines come off. It was a stepping stone model to meet emissions standards.
It's prone to trouble, the fuel control valve.. don't ask me how I know this or I may tell you.. I'd definitely look at the common rail engine over that setup. Good size tractor for hay work though.
Seems to be a good place to buy, in that range between 'big compact tractor' and 'small farmer's tractor', a trend around the globe.

I have seen references made about the JD '00 series tractors.. Mostly negative.

Interesting to get some perspective on the trends that other farmers are adopting elsewhere on the globe. (I sure wished that the prices and features I've seen on the 6000 tractors for sale in England, Ireland, France, Germany were available in the U.S.). Wow... Front 3pt, light options, etc. etc.

And for $10-20,000 less in USD! Makes me wonder how much it would cost to import a tractor to the US??

 

[olPete]

Since I've been on TBN, I'm amazed nearly every day by the contrast between what I know and what the rest of the world knows as normal. I definitely agree with the European market, UK etc. They have some serious kit. I guess with more arable/livestock farming etc they just demand more versatility (plus have healthy agricultural subsidies). By contrast, the north American tractors seem quite spartan and spacious, and very thirsty!!
I think importing would be cheaper than you'd imagine, however. I spend a lot of time on TFF which is a UK farming forum, and they import gear from the US quite cheaply.

 

[olPete]

Since I've been on TBN, I'm amazed nearly every day by the contrast between what I know and what the rest of the world knows as normal. I definitely agree with the European market, UK etc. They have some serious kit. I guess with more arable/livestock farming etc they just demand more versatility (plus have healthy agricultural subsidies). By contrast, the north American tractors seem quite spartan and spacious, and very thirsty!!
I think importing would be cheaper than you'd imagine, however. I spend a lot of time on TFF which is a UK farming forum, and many peoe import gear from the US quite cheaply. Just be prepared, they won't have any idea what SSQA is.. that is another noticeable difference around the world, standard equipment is often a lot different for the US market.
A lot of the European customers demand a good on-road tractor, so a 30mph box is commonplace. Front axle suspension, front pto and 3pt.. the list goes on and on.
Here only our contracting companies have really flash toys.

 

[rustyshakelford]

Asked my dealer. He said it is supposed to take the place of the smaller 6 series....whatever that means?

Brett

 

[MF283]

Here's a link to the 5r series
John Deere: Latest 5R Series tractors designed for comfort, compactness and capability | What's new in Farming

Ronnie

 

[AKfish]

Here's a link to the 5r series
John Deere: Latest 5R Series tractors designed for comfort, compactness and capability | What's new in Farming

Ronnie

Thanks, Ronnie. Looks like the UK, though. The tractor specs like a small frame 6 series.

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

Here's the US release:

Utility Tractors | 5R Series Tractors | John Deere US

 

[AKfish]

Here's the US release:

Utility Tractors | 5R Series Tractors | John Deere US

Wow! I have to admit... I'm really impressed - the small frame 6000 is back - and it's even smaller! Whew - the transmission options are also what you'd really wish for.

Some concerns about the total reliance on electronics, though. Even the clutch is controlled electronically! (But, that's what the large-frame Ag tractors have been working with for many years...)

Also have a question regarding the engineering of the oil pan integral to the tractor frame structure... I can appreciate the idea of isolating the engine from the stresses inherent in a machine (especially a loader tractor) so, why create a situation where you might have consistent oil leaks? What am I missing here?

Looking forward to seeing more details as well. Like tractor weight and tire sizes. And ballast options. Rear SCV's.

Man, the visibility from the cab! Impressive.

Thanks for the info, Matt.

 

[jenkinsph]

Wow! I have to admit... I'm really impressed - the small frame 6000 is back - and it's even smaller! Whew - the transmission options are also what you'd really wish for.

Some concerns about the total reliance on electronics, though. Even the clutch is controlled electronically! (But, that's what the large-frame Ag tractors have been working with for many years...)

Also have a question regarding the engineering of the oil pan integral to the tractor frame structure... I can appreciate the idea of isolating the engine from the stresses inherent in a machine (especially a loader tractor) so, why create a situation where you might have consistent oil leaks? What am I missing here?

Looking forward to seeing more details as well. Like tractor weight and tire sizes. And ballast options. Rear SCV's.

Man, the visibility from the cab! Impressive.

Thanks for the info, Matt.

Larry I thought you worked in instrumentation and controls for a living? Is that correct or am I mistaken?

 

[AKfish]

Steve, Nah.... I'm retired - tarded. Spending my kids inheritance on this farming craziness.

Speaking of craziness... I had a chance to work through the "build it" on the JD website for the new 5R. Whoa!!! For the small and mid-size farm and ranch operation? List price works out to be just over a $1,000 per Hp!

Alaska just legalized marijuana. They might be the target market for these tractors. At the very least, if they stay high enough - they won't care about the monthly payments!

A low-hour 6430P is looking better and better.

 

[GreatWhitehunter]

They do indeed look impressive, I really hope the larger radial tires are available in the US market. It seems they're extremely common on the UK.
With all the electronics I won't be buying a first production year of these units. Let them work out the bugs over then next 2-3 yrs.

Matt

 

[jenkinsph]

Steve, Nah.... I'm retired - tarded. Spending my kids inheritance on this farming craziness.

Speaking of craziness... I had a chance to work through the "build it" on the JD website for the new 5R. Whoa!!! For the small and mid-size farm and ranch operation? List price works out to be just over a $1,000 per Hp!

Alaska just legalized marijuana. They might be the target market for these tractors. At the very least, if they stay high enough - they won't care about the monthly payments!

A low-hour 6430P is looking better and better.

I went through the build your own section partially and stopped at 106k for the 5115R. I will stick with the plan for something old and used with power shift. I can rebuild a lot of PS for that kind of money.

I will keep my small tractors I have now and add a larger tractor if the leveling business takes off. I am hesitant to go too large and increase the transportation costs for moving the larger rigs.

 

[AKfish]

I went through the build your own section partially and stopped at 106k for the 5115R. I will stick with the plan for something old and used with power shift. I can rebuild a lot of PS for that kind of money.

I will keep my small tractors I have now and add a larger tractor if the leveling business takes off. I am hesitant to go too large and increase the transportation costs for moving the larger rigs.

I was just over $116K for the 5115R with a H310 loader. I built it with an eye towards keeping the cost in reason....

No Command8, no electronic joystick, no heated seat, no panoramic cab, no big radial tires, no ballast, etc. I didn't go whole hog! Should go back and see what a "top of the line - whole enchilada" machine would list at.

Did notice that the new, 540R loader looks a whole lot like the 400CX loader, too. Slightly curved boom, self-leveling arms are located just below the boom arms and the bucket curl cylinder mounts to the boom arms are configured like the 400CX - much larger - no doubt.

Can't get a price on the new loader, yet.

Don't you still have your Ford 450, Steve? You should be within GVWR hauling a 6000P. Matt and I should be able to "load and go" a 6000 (minus loader and unballasted) with our 3500 DMax's.

No info yet on the 5000R weights that I've seen.

 

[jenkinsph]

I was just over $116K for the 5115R with a H310 loader. I built it with an eye towards keeping the cost in reason....

No Command8, no electronic joystick, no heated seat, no panoramic cab, no big radial tires, no ballast, etc. I didn't go whole hog! Should go back and see what a "top of the line - whole enchilada" machine would list at.

Did notice that the new, 540R loader looks a whole lot like the 400CX loader, too. Slightly curved boom, self-leveling arms are located just below the boom arms and the bucket curl cylinder mounts to the boom arms are configured like the 400CX - much larger - no doubt.

Can't get a price on the new loader, yet.

Don't you still have your Ford 450, Steve? You should be within GVWR hauling a 6000P. Matt and I should be able to "load and go" a 6000 (minus loader and unballasted) with our 3500 DMax's.

No info yet on the 5000R weights that I've seen.

I priced with the standard cab, upgraded transmission 32/16 electric/hydraulics and no loader, did not get that far.

I still have a Ford 550 XLT 4x4 diesel with 4.88 ratio and heavy duty towing package. Only 55k miles on it in good shape so I will be building this truck up with a new body tailored to suit the tractor work. Sold the F550 plumbing service truck and F350 flatbed a while back. I don't see a problem hauling a 12 to 14k trailer but anything above that would require new trailer and hitch for GN. Right now I need to buy an implement trailer to haul all the crap for pasture renovating.

Still considering an older Case IH, Deere, MF, Ford and others for pulling a small scraper and roto tiller.