How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!?

   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #1  

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I'm doing some research for the inevitable blade replacement on my Bush Hog. The owners manual calls for 600 ft/lbs of torque on the blade bolts and 450 ft/lbs on the blade holder pan. I'm not sure how to get that amount of torque with any tools I've researched. I don't really want to spring for a 3/4" high impact air wrench (along with the compressor to run it). Any other suggestions?

Thanks,

HP
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #2  
Big breaker bar and a pipe.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #3  
Big breaker bar and a pipe.

This^^

A 6' pipe with 100# of pressure on it will get you 600ft/lbs. Probably gonna need to spring for a 3/4" breaker bar and socket, though. Harbor freight has pretty cheap 3/4" socket sets with a lifetime warranty. I don't use my 3/4" set very often, but when it's needed it's sure helpful.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #5  
Google "Torque Multiplier".

Looks like you can get a Chinese unit for less than $100. The pro level units will be north of $300.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #6  
Put on 60 lbs torque ten times.

:)

Bruce
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #7  
Good impact gun and Kentucky windage is all I ever used when I saw numbers like that. Decades of doing that and never a failure so I guess it worked.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #8  
My spec was 480 foot-pounds. I used a 6' piece of iron pipe--3/4" pipe, as I recall--run down over a 24" breaker bar. Then I put a scale on the end of the pipe and put 80+ pounds of force on the end of the pipe.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #9  
Plenty of 1/2" drive HF impact guns are over 600 ft lbs. They have at least 3 that range from 600-1150 ft lbs. The HF Earthquake one I have goes up to 800. My Chicago Pneumatic (USA Made) only goes to 450. You should have a 60 gallon or larger compressor to run them. Not sure what or if you have a compressor. To torque them using a torque wrench you'll have to go with a 3/4" drive torque wrench.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!?
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#10  
I figured the opinions would be varied and interesting; especially bcp - "Put on 60 lbs torque ten times." Even more, looks like several use the TLAR method or That Looks About Right. ;) I know there are quite a few that have many years of experience and I wanted to see if anyone had problems with just using a large pipe to crank on it.
Thanks for the replies guys.

HP
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #11  
I new a guy 50 years ago that was a Ford mechanic and used an impact gun for everything. One day I watched in disbelief as he was putting in sparkplugs--in a very expensive car--with an impact gun. I started to kid him a little and he asked if my mother measured everything for a cake. I said no and he said that after enough years of same-old, same-old, you get a pretty good feel and he had been at it for decades. A brilliant mechanic.

He gave me a torque wrench and told me to go ahead and check him. I did and all were within a ft lb of target. He was right on and I shut up.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #12  
The problem is more likely that you will need more torque than spec to break the bolts loose. Tightening is usually easier.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #13  
A torque multiplier and a drop or 2 of loc-tite.. red or blue.. blue is "service removable"..
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #14  
Google "Torque Multiplier".

Looks like you can get a Chinese unit for less than $100. The pro level units will be north of $300.
You got it.

Or they do make a torque wrench with a max torque value of 600#. It is 4' long. But I don't think anyone of us would want to pay the price for one.

We used them in the pulp and paper industry along with a 4 to 1 torque multiplier to tighten the hold down nuts on the chippers to 2400#. Glad I don't have to do that anymore. There wasn't the room for a hydraulic torque wrench.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #15  
Dear OP- the tool needed to tighten will need to be slightly smaller than the tool needed to remove the existing nut.

In all seriousness not wanting in invest in 3/4" breaker, big pipe wrench or big impact gun sounds good but how are you going to remove the nut that's on there?

BTW- a lot of the good, higher spec impact wrenches need higher air pressure than some compressors put out. 160psi is ringing a bell but I haven't looked at those specs in years.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #16  
Dear OP- the tool needed to tighten will need to be slightly smaller than the tool needed to remove the existing nut.

In all seriousness not wanting in invest in 3/4" breaker, big pipe wrench or big impact gun sounds good but how are you going to remove the nut that's on there?

Nowhere did he say he didn't want to invest in hand tools. He doesn't want to buy a big air powered impact and the compressor to run it. And I don't blame him.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #17  
Seriously, Harbor Freight probably has the best prices on 3/4" socket sets (around $60, IIRC). That will get you several sockets, a ratchet, a breaker bar, and some extensions. They'll work fine for occasional use. Put a long piece of pipe on the end of the breaker bar to the the torque you need to bust the nut loose. Hit it with penetrating oil first if you can and wait an hour before trying.

As far as torquing the bolt to spec, a torque wrench that goes to 600 ft-lb will cost dearly. The biggest from HF only goes to 300 ft-lb. Your best bet for that is to find a friendly mechanic who can loan or rent you one. The other choice is a little blue loctite (removable, especially if you heat it a LITTLE), and a good guess at the proper force needed. Torque specs are mostly to keep the bolt/nut from coming loose due to mechanical vibrations, and as long as you are reasonably close with the torque, the loctite should prevent self-disassembly. Try to remember how much force you used to remove the bolt and use a little less to tighten it. If you use red loctite, you probably won't ever get the bolt free without heating it up to melt the loctite.

Update... If you really want the 600# torque wrench, check EBay... you can probably find one there, new or used, for around $200 including shipping.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #18  
If you weigh 200lbs, put all your weight on the end of a 3 foot bar. It's that simple.
 
   / How do you get 600 ft/lbs torque on a rotary cutter blade nut?!? #19  
Few, if ANY discount 3/4" drive socket sets will have the reqiured 1-11/16" socket that fits a Bush Hog blade nut properly. Some of the more mainstream brands also skip that size.
That's why I advocated a Bush Hog blade nut wrench, a 24" pipe wrench, and a cheater. A good way to go if you have little need for a 3/4" drive set, especially if one buys a set only to find it won't do the job it was purchased to do.
 

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