Will this be tomorrow's transportation?

[vvanders]

We aren't talking about who's paying for it, you specifically said:

> and battery production is very dirty, so dirty it can't legally be made in USA.

So are you saying that they can't legally build there or that they can and what you said before isn't true?

On the NASA front, have any papers or nasa.gov links that back up your claims? The links I posted above is straight from NASA and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a large body of evidence from them that contradicts it.

 

[vvanders]

Uf da
proof nasa lied about global warming - Google Search

I can post a link to Google results on how to make a million dollars in a day, doesn't make it true . Currently 97% of scientists involved in the investigation of global warming agree that it's man made: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ I generally prefer to get my science from NASA instead of some random site from Google.

 

[houstonscott]

I can post a link to Google results on how to make a million dollars in a day, doesn't make it true . Currently 97% of scientists involved in the investigation of global warming agree that it's man made: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ I generally prefer to get my science from NASA instead of some random site from Google.

97% is bogus. It's 8 scientists. Lol. HS

 

[houstonscott]

I can post a link to Google results on how to make a million dollars in a day, doesn't make it true . Currently 97% of scientists involved in the investigation of global warming agree that it's man made: Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet: Scientific Consensus I generally prefer to get my science from NASA instead of some random site from Google.

Can you link the proof of man made global warming. HS

 

[/pine]

I can post a link to Google results on how to make a million dollars in a day, doesn't make it true . Currently 97% of scientists involved in the investigation of global warming agree that it's man made: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ I generally prefer to get my science from NASA instead of some random site from Google.

Naivety and gullibility are two prerequisites of the AGW peanut gallery...
I posted a search result just on the outside chance you might possibly have a few working brain cells that might possibly be open to other possibilities...but I guess not...since the election the element of real hope has been overflowing into areas it has no business...

Einstein was way ahead of his time...I'm sure he had a premonition about GW fanatics (including NASA) when he said "if the facts don't fit the theory...change the facts"
Hopefully the stunning blow the election dealt to a majority of the AGW zealots will prepare them for the second shoe to drop when a congressional investigation exposes the fraud for the fact it is...The "shoe is on a different foot now and it won't be the so called "deniers" that face the threats of legal action...!

 

[houstonscott]

Climate Change: No, It’s Not a 97 Percent Consensus | National Review Please no more 97% number... It's totally bogus, just like warming and CO2 crap. HS

 

[vvanders]

Naivety and gullibility are two prerequisites of the AGW peanut gallery...
I posted a search result just on the outside chance you might possibly have a few working brain cells that might possibly be open to other possibilities...but I guess not...since the election the element of real hope has been overflowing into areas it has no business...

Einstein was way ahead of his time...I'm sure he had a premonition about GW fanatics (including NASA) when he said "if the facts don't fit the theory...change the facts"
Hopefully the stunning blow the election dealt to a majority of the AGW zealots will prepare them for the second shoe to drop when a congressional investigation exposes the fraud for the fact it is...The "shoe is on a different foot now and it won't be the so called "deniers" that face the threats of legal action...!

Cool, nice personal attack.

Since you're both interested in dodging questions(HS you never did get back on the legality of battery production) rather than having a discussion I don't really know if there's much value in continuing. Shouting past each other isn't going to change anyone's mind and certainly doesn't do this forum any favors.

My take on this is yes, there's a very small chance things might not go completely pear-shaped with respect to Global Warming. However look at it this way, if we invest in clean energy and technology and nothing goes wrong, we've got a bunch of great independent energy sources. There's also a very high chance that we invent new economic industries, possibly completely tangential to clean energy. No one in the telephone industry expected to revolutionize the world with the computer. Yet Bell Labs was the one who invented the transistor and all the trillions of dollars worth of industry it affected. Out of the Manhattan project things like the CCTV and other inventions that were needed for problems not yet experienced. Those are the types of things that happen when you invest in basic research, otherwise you're just reselling something other people control and produce.

If it turns out Global Warming is right, then we've averted a massive disaster on an epic scale. Probably not something we're going to experience in our lifetime but our children and their children will definitely feel the impacts of.

That's my stance and I'm happy to put my $$$ where my mouth is. If anyone is ever coming through SW Washington I'm happy to meet and talk EVs, energy and any other topics. However if you want to continue your echo chamber here be my guest, I'm out.

 

[turnkey4099]

It's a lot like propane and LOX. Standard gas laws apply as per that famous mick Chemist Mr. Boyle.

If you ignore the need for cryogenics with hydrogen. That's a whole other ball park.

 

[turnkey4099]

Elon Musk isn't building anything, the American tax payers are..... They have tried everything to prove CO2 is a so called greenhouse gas and every one of the brightest minds have been wrong for over 40 years now, so, no so bright in my book. Those brilliant ones are still looking for the heat, can't find it, might be the deep ocean is the latest excuse. It's very simple if the sun warms the earth warms, if the sun cools the earth cools, if the sun is closer to earth it warms, if it moves away it cools. Nothing else matters. Oh, by the way a NASA scientist to me this.... HS

CO2 has been known to be a greenhouse gas for at least 80 years. I was taught that in my science classes in HS way back in the 50s. It ain't something that was just dreamed up when GW came along.

 

[turnkey4099]

Can you link the proof of man made global warming. HS

It's been in every newspaper for the past 20 years. One doesn't even have to get into scientific papers to see it, just follow all "warmest ever" reports and reports of species migrating to the north (in the Northern Hamisphere). Burying your head in the sand and denying know facts doesn't make them go away.