Idiots and winter driving

/ Idiots and winter driving #61  
What? That's one of the occasions when you use your hazard lights. You are driving at a reduced speed and need to call attention to yourself to the people coming up from behind.

Heck, if I'm transporting a round or bales of hay in my ute (on a public highway) I'm typically travelling at 70-80kph in a 100kph zone. I've got my 4-ways on. When it's safe to do so (for all concerned) I'll pull over to let anyone behind me pass.

Drivers who are not operating the fourways while in motion are the ones who should be flogged and fined.

Highway traffic acts states that fourways are ONLY for crippled vehicles stationary on the side of the roadway. Or large trucks that have pulled onto the road or onto a hill and are unable to maintain highway speed due to a lack of HP to accelerate the load.
Those flashing their fourways in a bit of fog or snow while driving down the road are very rude and inconsiderate.
Emergency lights are for emergencies.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #62  
Highway traffic acts states that fourways are ONLY for crippled vehicles stationary on the side of the roadway. Or large trucks that have pulled onto the road or onto a hill and are unable to maintain highway speed due to a lack of HP to accelerate the load.
Those flashing their fourways in a bit of fog or snow while driving down the road are very rude and inconsiderate.
Emergency lights are for emergencies.

Welp, consider me rude and inconsiderate. Feel free to dob me into the police and then come on down and give me a flogging, Mate.

'cause I will continue to warn others that I am a hazard to them when the circumstances call for it. There are enough twits on the road who aren't paying enough attention as it is and if I can prevent them from running up my clacka, so much the better.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #63  
Welp, consider me rude and inconsiderate. Feel free to dob me into the police and then come on down and give me a flogging, Mate.

'cause I will continue to warn others that I am a hazard to them when the circumstances call for it. There are enough twits on the road who aren't paying enough attention as it is and if I can prevent them from running up my clacka, so much the better.

Keep in mind different rules and laws in different areas.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #64  
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Too often somebody with summer tires say they will just drive more carefull. A wreck will find them as attractive as a trailer park to a tornado.
The Subaru WRX and STI are AWD - but come with summer performance tires. Just getting it from the car dealer to the tire dealer can be exciting if you buy in winter. A guy posted a video on YouTube of his STI sitting in his driveway, spinning all four wheels without moving an inch on packed ice/snow.

Subaru also used to deliver Outbacks with Bridgestone RE92's. If you look on tirerack, they had just about the worst reputation of any A/S tire on snow and ice. When I bought the OBW, I drove it straight to the Nokian dealer for Hakkapeliittas and sold the brand new takeoffs for $100. Good Riddance.

FWIW the "Nordman" series of winter tires are made by Nokian: they are older designs. The General Altimax Arctic is the Gislaved NordFrost 3: Continental owns both so when Gislaved came out with the NordFrost 4, they shipped the molds to General. Not as good as the latest but excellent bang-for-buck, stocked lots of dealers and available in a wide range of sizes for cars and light trucks.

Most Scandinavian countries require winter tires and they often review earlier than anywhere in NA. Here's the 2015. Not all available in US.

Studless Tire Rankings

Nokian Hakkapeliiitta R2: 7.7 points
Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice 2 7.6 points
Michelin X-Ice XI3: 7.6 points
Pirelli Ice Zero R: 7.6 points
Continental Conti Viking Contact 6: 7,5 points
Nordman RS: 7.0 points
Bridgestone Blizzak WS80: 6.9 points
Nankang Ice Activa Ice 1: 6.7 points

Car & Driver.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #65  
FWIW the "Nordman" series of winter tires are made by Nokian: they are older designs. The General Altimax Arctic is the Gislaved NordFrost 3: Continental owns both so when Gislaved came out with the NordFrost 4, they shipped the molds to General. Not as good as the latest but excellent bang-for-buck, stocked lots of dealers and available in a wide range of sizes for cars and light trucks.
I run General tires on all of our cars and I have been very happy with them. They seem to be an excellent value for the money.

Aaron Z
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #66  
Another mitigating factor for our reputation as some of the worst snow drivers in the nation is the nature of the snow we get, it is usually very wet and heavy, (mashed potatoes). About ten years ago we had an exceptionally heavy snow fall, close to two feet, the husband of one of my co-workers was from Saskatoon. He had been quite disdainful of the skill level of the local drivers when it came to snow driving. He became a little more respectful after he got very stuck trying to get out of their driveway. He was used to light dry powdery snow, not the heavy wet slippery stuff that we get here

Yeah, learned that one the hard way myself. I've lived most of my life in northern New England where for the most part our snow is fairly dry, even our "heart attack" snow is nothing like what you get in the PNW. Spent a couple years out there in the mid 70s (when pretty much everything was still rear wheel drive). Got turned back one day heading west thru Stevens Pass (they weren't allowing anyone thru unless they had chains or studs...I had regular snow tires, but not acceptable), turned around prepared to go back to Wenatchee, then to I-90. Well, there were still uphill sections going that way too, and with the amount of traffic being re-routed the snow had become packed and very icy. Got about halfway up one hill, and that's all she wrote. Fortunately, someone came along and lent me a set of chains which got me home safely. Thank you again 40 years later!!


I'm on the other side of that, I'm usually the one getting the law called on, the best is a loud motorcycle on a quiet day lol, I have been know to crack a bike or two open now and again. I am mindful and feel horrible at night though, during the day it's a free for all on noise.

It's amazing how many people waste law enforcements time on dumb calls like noise complaints ext. quads on the roads, or whatever don't ask how I know that lol.

No offense dude, but what is it with (some) motorcyclists and extremely loud exhausts? Is it that you're oblivious to how annoying/deafening it is to people behind or around you or do you just not care?

Where I live 4 wheelers are allowed on some roads (at the option of individual town, and mostly back roads). Way too many instances of idiots going waay too fast and/or with loud exhausts.
It's jerks like this that ruin it for everyone.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #67  
//No offense dude, but what is it with (some) motorcyclists and extremely loud exhausts? Is it that you're oblivious to how annoying/deafening it is to people behind or around you or do you just not care?
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Never understood why cars, trucks etc need sound muffling, but some sport bike and Harley riders think straight pipes are OK. They're why places like Boston and Hampton, NH started trying to pass sound legislation.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #69  
So it is fine with you to flash lights on and off into somebody's eye's ? If they can see your flashers they can see your tailights.

B&D, you're gona have to enlarge your world. There are places where the four ways are required for all vehicles travelling below a certain speed. It's an indication the vehicle is travelling below normal speed. There be a lot of us just be normal folk with normal reactions that need all the help we can get!
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #70  
I didn't read all the posts, but if you don't want to worry about ice, put 4 studded tires on your vehicle. Makes a huge difference. I did it for 15 years where I used to live.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #71  
B&D, you're gona have to enlarge your world. There are places where the four ways are required for all vehicles travelling below a certain speed. It's an indication the vehicle is travelling below normal speed. There be a lot of us just be normal folk with normal reactions that need all the help we can get!

No excuse for flashing bright lights in other driver's eyes. I have driven in more snow than you ever will. If you are driving that slow put a SMV reflective triangle on your transportation and run your blinkies 24/7 and feel really safe..
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #72  
Yeah, learned that one the hard way myself. I've lived most of my life in northern New England where for the most part our snow is fairly dry, even our "heart attack" snow is nothing like what you get in the PNW. Spent a couple years out there in the mid 70s (when pretty much everything was still rear wheel drive). Got turned back one day heading west thru Stevens Pass (they weren't allowing anyone thru unless they had chains or studs...I had regular snow tires, but not acceptable), turned around prepared to go back to Wenatchee, then to I-90. Well, there were still uphill sections going that way too, and with the amount of traffic being re-routed the snow had become packed and very icy. Got about halfway up one hill, and that's all she wrote. Fortunately, someone came along and lent me a set of chains which got me home safely. Thank you again 40 years later!!




No offense dude, but what is it with (some) motorcyclists and extremely loud exhausts? Is it that you're oblivious to how annoying/deafening it is to people behind or around you or do you just not care?

Where I live 4 wheelers are allowed on some roads (at the option of individual town, and mostly back roads). Way too many instances of idiots going waay too fast and/or with loud exhausts.
It's jerks like this that ruin it for everyone.

I assume you have never driven a motorcycle? Ever driven a motorcycle at night? Think clipping a deer is bad in a car, try it on a bike! Try cruising down the highway when someone starts merging in your lane or cuts you off, worse is a semi with someone behind you and you have to try to accelerate out of his way before you end up in a ditch. And you call me a jerk? Lol after a deer ran into my bike, multiple dodging of ratcoons and other critters and getting tired of jack azzes cutting me off or merging into the lane I'm cruising in, I bought loud pipes off Craigslist and had the bike rejetted for the pipes, best money I ever spent on my bike.

Every time you hear loud pipes you should be thankful you know where that cyclist is because bikes are hard to see for people I guess, I make sure I'm herd first.

Quads are illegal here on the roads, there much to unstable for road use.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #73  
I have been reading this and just need to comment. Hope my :2cents: is OK. There is no way CSP is going to bother you here if your in a blizzard driving with your flashers running. In my mind it helps the dummy's see you as they come up from behind to judge your speed. I cant remember how many times I had a pucker moment coming up on a slow vehicle and not realizing the closing speed - usually they are running without their light on either. Also 6 studded tires are what I run on my dully. Made a huge difference in safe handling on the ice. Its behavior is actually predictable now with a lot less tail wagging :eek:. This will be the first year without studs, so will not be driving it much if it snows. I put European studded tires on the wife's daily driver (escape) made by Nokia. Studs go all the way across the face, not just along the edge as most US makers do. But they have a lot of snow there too and seem to know a thing or too. Studs are a unique shape and tires come from the factory already studded. Hope this helps
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #74  
B&D, you're gona have to enlarge your world. There are places where the four ways are required for all vehicles travelling below a certain speed. It's an indication the vehicle is travelling below normal speed. There be a lot of us just be normal folk with normal reactions that need all the help we can get!

I can agree with this if I understand your terminology correctly, if people travel at speed well under the speed limit, I prefer them to have hazards flashing to warn me especially in a heavy snow storm, I have a few choice words for people who run dangerously slow without them.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #75  
No excuse for flashing bright lights in other driver's eyes. I have driven in more snow than you ever will. If you are driving that slow put a SMV reflective triangle on your transportation and run your blinkies 24/7 and feel really safe..

Sorry Cobber but you're beginning to lose it... especially when you make the claim highlighted above. Egon lives in Nova Scotia and gets just as intense weather as you do with your 'lake effect' snow.

As to your last sentence? C'mon. Someone putting their hazard lights (not 'emergency lights') on to warn others is a courtesy to others. I'd rather they warn me that they're purposely going slower under whatever circumstances they've encountered.

Here's another scenario that will happen here in a week or so. It's haying season and I'll be helping out, with my tractor, to bring it in. It's also prime tourist season and there are a lot of them about, taking in the beauty of this place. When I move between paddocks onto a public road, I will have my "blinkies" on, and my amber rotating 'whoop-whoop' light on, PLUS two SMV reflective triangles displayed (one behind my seat and my ballast box has one). The speed limit will be 60kph in that area. Am I wrong?

Later on I'll need to access a different set of paddocks that are 7kms away and to get there I'll need to travel on a 100kph 2-lane highway. I'll again have all of my lights flashing and rotating, whilst pulling over to let traffic behind me pass when it's safe to do so. Am I wrong?

Most of this will be during daylight hours but, if rain is expected, I'll be doing this a night too. Is this enough of an "excuse for flashing bright lights in other driver's eyes"?
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #76  
No excuse for flashing bright lights in other driver's eyes. I have driven in more snow than you ever will. If you are driving that slow put a SMV reflective triangle on your transportation and run your blinkies 24/7 and feel really safe..

This seems like a great reason to run my flashers every chance I get this year! I don't run them often but I just may now. They are my flashers I'll run them when I think I need to!

I generally run them when I pull a trailer and dumb people don't pass unless I do. Broad daylight, no snow in the middle of summer. Flashers say go around or get off my tail I'm going slower idiot!
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #77  
No excuse for flashing bright lights in other driver's eyes. I have driven in more snow than you ever will. If you are driving that slow put a SMV reflective triangle on your transportation and run your blinkies 24/7 and feel really safe..

You mean I'm supposed to break the Law??

I've no idea of your Snow Driving experiences and neither do you of mine!
 
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/ Idiots and winter driving #78  
I assume you have never driven a motorcycle? Ever driven a motorcycle at night? Think clipping a deer is bad in a car, try it on a bike! Try cruising down the highway when someone starts merging in your lane or cuts you off, worse is a semi with someone behind you and you have to try to accelerate out of his way before you end up in a ditch. And you call me a jerk? Lol after a deer ran into my bike, multiple dodging of ratcoons and other critters and getting tired of jack azzes cutting me off or merging into the lane I'm cruising in, I bought loud pipes off Craigslist and had the bike rejetted for the pipes, best money I ever spent on my bike.

Every time you hear loud pipes you should be thankful you know where that cyclist is because bikes are hard to see for people I guess, I make sure I'm herd first.

Quads are illegal here on the roads, there much to unstable for road use.

Do you tweak the throttle when stopped to make sure it's still running.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #79  
I can agree with this if I understand your terminology correctly, if people travel at speed well under the speed limit, I prefer them to have hazards flashing to warn me especially in a heavy snow storm, I have a few choice words for people who run dangerously slow without them.

Enough said.
 
/ Idiots and winter driving #80  
I assume you have never driven a motorcycle? Ever driven a motorcycle at night? Think clipping a deer is bad in a car, try it on a bike! Try cruising down the highway when someone starts merging in your lane or cuts you off, worse is a semi with someone behind you and you have to try to accelerate out of his way before you end up in a ditch. And you call me a jerk? Lol after a deer ran into my bike, multiple dodging of ratcoons and other critters and getting tired of jack azzes cutting me off or merging into the lane I'm cruising in, I bought loud pipes off Craigslist and had the bike rejetted for the pipes, best money I ever spent on my bike.

Every time you hear loud pipes you should be thankful you know where that cyclist is because bikes are hard to see for people I guess, I make sure I'm herd first.

Quads are illegal here on the roads, there much to unstable for road use.
Here we go with the loud pipes saves lives BS..
Been riding bikes since the early 70's and never fell for that one.
I like my bikes quiet. Way to many of those annoyingly loud bikes on the road around here IMO.
 

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