Comparison Trying to stay Red. Not go Orange. HELP!!!

[MutzFarm]

Well we have found ourselves in a situation where we are gonna get another piece of equipment....... Just having a hard time making the choice.

We are being drawn toward the Kubota M62TLB. Which Mahindra would you compare to this?
http://www.kubota.com/product/M62/M62.aspx

 

[MtnViewRanch]

None, Mahindra does not make a true TLB. All just AG-utility tractors with an add on hoe.

No Mahindra tractor will even come close to the hoe capabilities that the M62 has. Go with the Kubota and be happy.

And this coming from a Mahindra 2 tractor owner.

 

[dickfoster]

None, Mahindra does not make a true TLB. All just AG-utility tractors with an add on hoe.

No Mahindra tractor will even come close to the hoe capabilities that the M62 has. Go with the Kubota and be happy.

And this coming from a Mahindra 2 tractor owner.

Maybe he should also be looking at Case or some of the other traditional construction equipment brands for construction grade equipment.

 

[mike69440]

Maybe he should also be looking at Case or some of the other traditional construction equipment brands for construction grade equipment.

The Kubota TLBs are really versatile well built machines, but I'd have a hard time justifying one unless I could buy for at least 15% under retail. Note i own one, it's 11 years old with over 2000 hours. Loader and backhoe wise, nothing its size is available. I'd have destroyed a lesser machine. But Plus 50 G for a new L47 and near 70K for the M62 just takes my breath away.

 

[texxfletch]

Don't think we can get them here, but they do make them
Construction & Earth Moving Equipment - Backhoe Loader India | Mahindra EarthMaster

 

[wcampbell47]

Well we have found ourselves in a situation where we are gonna get another piece of equipment....... Just having a hard time making the choice.

We are being drawn toward the Kubota M62TLB. Which Mahindra would you compare to this?
http://www.kubota.com/product/M62/M62.aspx

If the TLB qualifies for $0 down and 0% interest where else can you find that deal?

 

[MutzFarm]

I do want to dive in, but yea $75k is where I am having a real hard time. Buying a traditional industrial type backhoe would be cheaper and half useless. Could get an OK used one $20k - $30k, but with no 3 point option Im worried it would sit half the year or so. This is why I am looking at the TLBs. Just worried if I get a backhoe on the tractor I'll tear up the equipment to where as I get a TLB it is made for it. I have considered getting a Mahindra with a backhoe, but 60 hp with back hoe, extra remotes front and back isnt far off. Probably $15k at the most.

Keep throwing your thoughts out good or bad please.

Oh yea and that mahindra backhoe link above is cool, but I dont see no 3 point option.

 

[dickfoster]

Don't think we can get them here, but they do make them
Construction & Earth Moving Equipment - Backhoe Loader India | Mahindra EarthMaster

That's a pretty fancy and serious looking machine however all the dealers are in India so my guess is it doesn't meet US Tier 4 silliness requirements. LOL

 

[mike69440]

I do want to dive in, but yea $75k is where I am having a real hard time. Buying a traditional industrial type backhoe would be cheaper and half useless. Could get an OK used one $20k - $30k, but with no 3 point option Im worried it would sit half the year or so. This is why I am looking at the TLBs. Just worried if I get a backhoe on the tractor I'll tear up the equipment to where as I get a TLB it is made for it. I have considered getting a Mahindra with a backhoe, but 60 hp with back hoe, extra remotes front and back isnt far off. Probably $15k at the most.

Keep throwing your thoughts out good or bad please.

Oh yeah and that mahindra backhoe link above is cool, but I dont see no 3 point option.

I can't Knock Kubota TLB's Maybe a good used M59?
No tier 4 silliness, and If you are patient, you can find a low hour nice one for under $50K.
Why am I making that sound like a bargain?

See: http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...5344-upsized-hydraulic-clyinders-loaders.html
$4 grand to go through Hydraulics, fix leaks and wear, sounds like a lot, but considering cost of a new tractor, and it's past durability over 2000 hours, I don't want a new one.

 

[DavesTractor]

As mentioned, Mahindra does not sell a dedicated TLB in the USA. I'd consider keeping your 4025 for PTO use and lighter duty chores and buy a used JD 310 or similar Cat or Case TLB for $30k ish and have the best of both worlds.

Having said that, the Kubota TLB is a fine machine.

 

[mike69440]

Only Problem with that weight machine is they get rather immobile on soft farm ground and they really suck in tight places.

But it is definitely the most metal for the money. I'd spend a bit more than $30K, to get one in good condition.

 

[mguitas]

The only thing used jd 310 is hauling them around, compare to a Kubota TLB. I would even hate to haul around the 710c in my avatar picture. There 22000 lbs. Unless your not worried of moving them around.

 

[BrokeFarmerJohn]

First I want to say that I have never owned or used a backhoe so I can not compare the specs of each, what I can compare is the companies, if you do reasearch on all the big companies you will find many are made in South Korea and India, some are assembled here but some of the biggest machines are manufactured here. CASE, New Holland and LS are basically the same machine, all owned by fiat and LG, the actual company is called CNH now. Mahindra is made in Japan and South Korea. Based off what I know I would look at JD and Case unless you can find a Mahindra, everytime I compare something to kabota they always come out behind yet cost more, the kabota tractors I have researched have much weaker hydrolics and are much much lighter. At least with JD and Case they both have great dealers and will be around in the states a long time so parts will be available for a very long time. Just my 2 cents. Whichever one is easiest to get parts for, they all break down eventually.

 

[art]

The Kubota line-up is loaded with great machines that are all easily trailered do to the weight with a Hd pick-up vs the need for larger trucks and trailers that are needed for the full size TLB's! The added plus is the potential to have three point hitch if needed where the larger units backhoes are not removable. Used M-59's are available in the thirty range for price and would give you the availability of Kubotas great parts system and often not far for you!

 

[KubotaToy]

If you want to compare to Kubota TLBs you need to compare to other TLBs, not to tractors with a backhoe attached. I looked at Mihindra 5050 with a backhoe, price was in the same ball park as the L45 when I was shopping. There are good deals to be had on used TLB equipment, just be patient and shop.

I have a JD310 TLB, L45 TLB, Bobcat 770 CTL and E50, I use the L45 for over 90% of my work around the farm. The JD gets very little use unless I need two backhoes on the job, plus it weighs over 12k.

 

[Gary Fowler]

I bought my B26 used-1year old and 68hours at a bargain price of $20K. The backhoe has not been off since I bought it and likely never will. The 3 PH stuff remains stored in my shop but as long as I have my LS, I wont ever use the Kubota for anything other than FEL/backhoe work.

I like the size of the Kubota TLB line up but if small size/transportability isn't an issue, I would look for a used commercial grade like the JD 310 or Case or even CNH. You can get a pretty good one of those for around $20K. I was really surprised at the amount of backhoe work that I keep having, hence the never removed hoe.
For the price of a M59, you can get a used full size hoe AND another new 50+ HP tractor with 3 PH and PTO and maybe even a couple of implements to go with it.

 

[MutzFarm]

Keep the comments coming please. These are all good thoughts, ideas and are for sure helping with the pros and cons.

I have a 1 ton dually, but not the trailer for a full size back hoe.

I am worried the back hoe may sit for periods at a time this is one reason for going the TLB route so there is an additional tractor with a pto and shredder as we run a farm and farm services for others. Main gig is shredding, but all sorts of tractor work does happen and I would guess at least one customer a month asks do you have a back hoe? We are not even advertising back hoe work, but I think it is well worth it as next month we will step up our equipment with a gooseneck dump trailer and grapple. Just the jobs that we had to let go this year for not having this equipment would have made more than the payments on it and I feel the back hoe would do the same.

Of course then there is the cheaper..... I think cheaper route would be to get a nice used full size used back hoe for $30k +/- and a compatible gooseneck for $8-12k. Again the back hoe and compatible gooseneck may sit for periods. This drives me up the wall when equipment sits and there is a payment. I guess the ultimate cheap route is used M59 as there wont be many m62s out. Then no need to buy another trailer.

I think patients will be a good key and I will look for a used M59. This route I would not have to buy the compatible gooseneck for the big back hoe and use what I have. I think the kubota TLBs are the way for me to have another option to help our customers where as the big back hoes may be to big. Some folks have 100hp tractors and 15 foot batwings. I have my 4025 and 6ft shredder. I get jobs where I make almost as much money, work less and there is no way those big tractors will get into the spots I do. So with this philosophy is where the kubota TLB comes in versus the big full size back hoe.

Thanx for the comments.

 

[Deerherd]

I looked at the M62 and ended up going with a new Mini-ex and am going to put the 20k I saved towards another tractor. Plus I got A/C and heat! (Not having a cab with A/C & heat on a 80k machine is lunacy IMHO) Not breathing the dust while sitting in comfort listening to the radio makes 8 hours in the machine easy. I thought it got hot in Texas........

Yes, you CAN remove the backhoe but as soon as you do you you will need it. Changing it out would get real old quick for me and I would have ended up buying another tractor anyway. Good luck in your search.

 

[seaneastok]

I think the kubota TLBs are the way for me to have another option to help our customers where as the big back hoes may be to big.


Mutz,
Another thing to consider is the insurance cost's involved with a Commercial size hoe..A good friend was looking at getting a full sized hoe for his business to replace his TLB that he had been using for year's. He said his liability insurance rates would have doubled. His agent figured that while any hoe can tear thing's up,a commercial hoe can do it in a hurry.

Regard's
Sean

 

[Garandman]

. //Of course then there is the cheaper..... I think cheaper route would be to get a nice used full size used back hoe for $30k +/- and a compatible gooseneck for $8-12k. Again the back hoe and compatible gooseneck may sit for periods. This drives me up the wall when equipment sits and there is a payment. I guess the ultimate cheap route is used M59 as there wont be many m62s out. Then no need to buy another trailer..

A friend of mine did this. He likes the capability for the money, but doesn't like the comparatively limited maneuverability (especially in woods), maintenance costs, and fuel consumption.

I had a discussion with the dealer about why the TLB's cost so much more. They're built for full-time contractor use and they don't want downtime, but want something that can be more easily towed. They only seem to come up used when you aren't looking for one!