BX2200 Starter Issue

[rodneylux]

My starter just clicked when I turned the key, if you did it enough it would finally start. I got a new starter and it worked great for about a month now it is doing the same thing. Anyone else had starter issues with the BX2200?

Thanks,

Rodney

 

[Dave M7040]

Likely there is also a starter relay. It will look like a headlight relay. They can become erratic over time.
If you post a wiring diagram I can confirm it has one.
Checking the ground cable's attachment to the tractor engine or frame to ensure it is clean would be prudent.
Dave M7040

 

[Coyote machine]

Carefully check both cables from the battery out to where they each terminate. Sometimes, especially the ground cable may fail at the chassis, or internally from excessive corrosion. Sometime the positive cable will fail, thought usually less frequently. A high resistance through either cable can damage the starter, rendering it defective, when the problem/cause lies elsewhere. What hours/age on the tractor?

 

[Grandad4]

My starter just clicked when I turned the key, if you did it enough it would finally start. I got a new starter and it worked great for about a month now it is doing the same thing. Anyone else had starter issues with the BX2200?

Thanks,

Rodney

If your battery has a cell that's going bad it can act like a bad connection and cause poor cranking also. Another thing to check .

 

[gwdixon]

Yeah, my BX2200 does the same exact thing. Click, try again...click, then it will start as if absolutely nothing is wrong. But at other times it will start right up.

When the tractor has already been started, it restarts much more reliably.

I replaced the ignition switch with no improvement.

I'll have to try the recommendations in this thread. Presently, I suspect the battery or the connections to it. Sometimes a battery will appear to be fine, but won't have the amperage to turn the starter. That just happened on my M7040.

 

[Labrauer]

I have the same problem with my BX22 when starting it. Turn the key and all I get is click click a few times and then it will start. I checked all the wires from the battery to the starter and all are tight. I took the starter off and took it apart looked at the brushes and all and they looked ok but I filed them anyway thinking it might work but it didn't. Next I went and got a new battery and it started right up the first time but after sitting a couple of days it was back to the same old thing. Changed the ignition switch and traced all those wires too. I have lived with this problem for about two years now and it doesn't seem to change I just have to turn the key a couple of times before it kicks in and starts of course the dealer wants me to bring it in and spend boo coos of money to have it fixed but I am to cheap to do that.

 

[lefty525]

My early BX2200 does the same thing only much worse . . . sometimes 45 or 50 'clicks'! I originally thought something was draining the battery as it sat for a long time between uses. I would get a fully charged battery out of the garage and replace the one on the tractor. It would then start right away with no clicks! I had the battery tested fully (load test and all) and it tested good! To make a long story short it wasn't replacing the battery that cured the clicking (temporarily) but it was the movement of the ground cable to the battery that temporarily cured the clicking problem. I have dealt with this condition for years but it always comes back! After much research I went to the location of where the ground cable connected. It is connected to a bolt and nut arrangement and a rear rubber motor mount! This cable is not even grounded directly to the motor! There are definitely a few ways to correct this problem: The first is to remove the ground termination at the rubber motor mount including the bolt thru the mount and clean both the frame and the bolt and nut . . . then wait for it to oxidize over time and you get the clicking back. The second way is to remove the and ground strap termination, clean them good an upon re-installation add a grounding strap from this termination and bolt the ground strap to the engine. This will stop the clicking and ensure cranking al the time. The third way to eliminate the problem is to stop by your nearest John Deere dealer and purchase their 'Starter Booster Kit' PART NUMBER: AM107421. This is a relay that provides a solid 12 volt and ground to the solenoid upon start. It costs about $32.00 plus tax. IMHO the second and third way are the the most reliable way to get rid of this problem! I have lived with this condition for years and finally went through the research of the problem and its solution! I'm so glad to have "reliability" back in my tractor!

 

[gwdixon]

Yeah, this is an old thread but lefty525 is on to a fix.

I ended up purchasing a 42" new battery ground cable. Then threaded it through the firewall just like the OEM but instead, attached it to a bolt on the engine. The one I used was for the engine lifting removal ring. It is on the right side in the middle of the engine near the valve cover.

I also connected a #10 wire from the original battery cable mount to the same engine lifting bracket bolt just in case some other circuit needed a good connection. There is one other wire that attaches to that OEM battery ground bolt.

 

[milkman]

My early BX2200 does the same thing only much worse . . . sometimes 45 or 50 'clicks'! I originally thought something was draining the battery as it sat for a long time between uses. I would get a fully charged battery out of the garage and replace the one on the tractor. It would then start right away with no clicks! I had the battery tested fully (load test and all) and it tested good! To make a long story short it wasn't replacing the battery that cured the clicking (temporarily) but it was the movement of the ground cable to the battery that temporarily cured the clicking problem. I have dealt with this condition for years but it always comes back! After much research I went to the location of where the ground cable connected. It is connected to a bolt and nut arrangement and a rear rubber motor mount! This cable is not even grounded directly to the motor! There are definitely a few ways to correct this problem: The first is to remove the ground termination at the rubber motor mount including the bolt thru the mount and clean both the frame and the bolt and nut . . . then wait for it to oxidize over time and you get the clicking back. The second way is to remove the and ground strap termination, clean them good an upon re-installation add a grounding strap from this termination and bolt the ground strap to the engine. This will stop the clicking and ensure cranking al the time. The third way to eliminate the problem is to stop by your nearest John Deere dealer and purchase their 'Starter Booster Kit' PART NUMBER: AM107421. This is a relay that provides a solid 12 volt and ground to the solenoid upon start. It costs about $32.00 plus tax. IMHO the second and third way are the the most reliable way to get rid of this problem! I have lived with this condition for years and finally went through the research of the problem and its solution! I'm so glad to have "reliability" back in my tractor!

One of these will work, at 1/3 the price, but it ain't green.

Ford Starter Solenoid - 12 Volt for Ford 2000,3000,4000,7000 - D2AF11450AA

 

[davesl708]

lefty525's relay works great. Installed it on mine with no modifications. Directly connected and I have had no issues since.
Well worth the cost and few minutes to install.

 

[DEP]

I know this is an old thread, but it sure helped me. Thanks to lefty525 and similar post from Kubmech. I picked up part no AM107421 from local John Deere dealer. About $32. It comes with instructions for a variety of Kawasaki engines. No mention of John Deere or Kubota, but it worked fine. The solenoid wire on my BX22 is black with white stripe instead of purple, and I had to clip off a small plastic nub to make one of the solenoid connectors fit. It takes a while to remove all the body panels but the installation takes only a few minutes. Tractor started fight up. Thanks guys.

 

[Duds13]

Another satisfied customer. Did the relay a couple weeks ago and knock on wood I haven't had the starting issue since!

 

[Henro]

One of these will work, at 1/3 the price, but it ain't green.

Ford Starter Solenoid - 12 Volt for Ford 2000,3000,4000,7000 - D2AF11450AA

I bought the JD relay for my BX2200 and it works well.

I tested the relay and it is different than a standard relay, as it activates at something less than its 12 volt rating (maybe 8 volts, but do not remember), and amazingly once energized, it will stay in the closed position down to close to 4 volts DC.

BUT I concluded that ANY relay probably would work in most cases. Still, I have no regrets on buying one that should work longer than a standard relay, if contacts in the safety circuit continue to deteriorate.

Just trying to say that the relay Milkman referred to will likely work fine in most cases.

 

[PedroWelshie]

First post - So fingers crossed!

I've an old Kubota BX2200 D - Its always been a little temperamental starting. Takes a good few go's before things turn over. I serviced last year cleaned starter motor & new battery. Everything seemed peachy and motor would start almost immediately.

This year all good - until suddenly it wont start. Varies from 1) all dash lights come on ignition, glow plug warming....clicking...but no start. 2) ignition lights, but no glow light and no clicking from starter motor (pinion doesn't pop out) or 3) Dead.....tried jump starting and nothing.

Installed a new ignition switch (waste of money) and that didn't make a difference. BUT! today I used jump leads from battery to starter motor directly (normal leads connected) and bingo - starts like a dream. So I've come to the conclusion that something is dud between battery & starter motor - and its not the ignition switch.

Is there a starter relay on the OLD Kubota's (there are no safety switches as I can start with PTO , Seat, etc. etc. ). Could it be a bad earth? HELP welcome and starter motor/engine details are in photos.

And....I am learning...no idea where the starter relay would be (or what it looks like)

 

[bearthebruce]

Tell us more about how you connected the jumper wires... did you also connect a (-) wire? Or just the positive?

I'm thinking starter solenoid or the lead from the battery to the block.

 

[PedroWelshie]

Hey - I tried first just negative jumper cable. (Id read bits around the grounding) with tractor positive connected - Nothing

When I put both jumpers from battery to starter motor (black on the body of starter motor, red to positive connect point). Turned the key and started straight away.

Made me think the starter was OK, but by using both jumpers I'm skipping something that is faulty in the connection. (I dont have any electrical test gear)

Thanks for the reply

 

[newbury]

There is a thread about starting problems:
B2400 starting problem finally solved
that may help.
Basically older machines may need more volts and a cheap part may fix it.

 

[PedroWelshie]

There is a thread about starting problems:
B2400 starting problem finally solved
that may help.
Basically older machines may need more volts and a cheap part may fix it.

Thanks - not helpful as more at play.

 

[Henro]

Three or four years ago I had the same issue with my BX 2200. The issue for many of these tractors seems to be resistance buildup in the safety interlock circuit contacts. You can do a search and maybe find a couple threads with specifics about this.

In any case, the solution for many of us is to install an interposing relay between the safety circuit and the starter solenoid. The safety circuit activates the relay and the relay energizes the starter solenoid directly.

Been three or four years since I did it and I have not had an issue even one time and actually until I read a post like yours I don't even remember I had an issue.

 

[Duds13]

Any chance the relays eventually crap out? Mine has started acting up again. I bought another relay but wanted to ask what the chances are the first relay has issues now before I swap it out.