Comparison Mahindra vs Kioti

[Catch95]

Hi I posted this in the Kioti forum but haven't received any replies so thought I'd try the Mahindra group...

Hi - looking for some opinions. I have had a Chinese Jinma 28 hp for 10 years which has been great in terms of learning how to fix tractors! It has done most things - slashing, post hole digger, grading etc but no loader. But finally have the money saved for a new tractor. I live in Australia. Property is 130 acres. Just a hobby farm / retirement place. 60 acres of paddocks and the rest forest/bush. Some flat areas but the rest quite hilly. I run cattle, so the tractor is mainly used for pasture management, fencing, driveway maintenance etc.

Budget is less than AUD$30,000 incl the loader. Needs to be 4WD, ideally around 40hp. I'm happy with a manual.

I don't want to go Chinese again, so have eliminated all those. The compact New Holland/Case tractors don't work as I'm too tall (6' 3"). John Deere, kubota, TYM are too $$ for that HP. So I've narrowed it down to the Kioti CK4210 and the Mahindra 4025. But they are very different tractors - the Mahindra is a full size and the Kioti a compact. The finish is far better on the Kioti, without being full of electronics that I'm sure will ultimately be a pain. Price is within $1,000 of each other and good, long standing dealers for both close by.

The Kioti is half the weight, but the Mahindra can lift a lot more - but I want the loader mainly for moving round bales of hay/silage, so the Kioti can handle those. Love the feel of the Mahindra's size, but the Kioti is small enough that my wife could use it in the house paddock without tearing up the grass.

So completely unsure.

Wondering if anyone else has pondered these two choices?

Thanks

Mark

 

[murphy1244]

why are you comparing two different class of tractors?

 

[Catch95]

I realise the tractors are quite different in size - compact vs full size. Same horsepower tho. Just trying to work out which will be best for me. When you say "class" of tractor is that what you mean?

 

[oldpilgrim]

Last year, I was considering a Mahindra or a Kioti...really had a hard time deciding. My brother has a kioti so I was very familiar with the brand, it's toughness and it's reliability.

I went back and forth several times, going to get one, then the other and back again. In my case it went to Mahindra for a few reasons.

The 2 tractors I compared were about the same HP but kioti was a couple feet longer, and the ROPS was too high to go thru my barn door. The Kioti FEL and BH looked like they were aftermarket addons, but weren't, they just looked that way. The Mahindra fit the barn better, was heavier, lifted more, and fit me better at 6'3". I also knew and liked the dealer from years of doing business with him.

The most important things that finally swayed me were the lift capacity and the dealer.

I learned a tremendous amount of good stuff on this forum and one particular fact was:

Either of them is a fine machine, you can't go wrong with either.

As you can see, it's pretty much, whichever you like the best.

Pick the one that fits your needs and personal likes. You won't be disappointed.

 

[4570Man]

What is the price. If it is similar I would pick the bigger one. Seems like a no brainier.

 

[Coyote machine]

Sounds like the Kioti to me. 40 HP is just that, regardless of the tractor size. The Kioti would be useable with your wife's skills, and the price is only $1000 difference, right?
Also, since you like both dealers, what do they say would best suit your needs? Yes, they will want you to buy their brand- but explore their logic regarding their brand. They may have reasonable criteria for you to buy from them.

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Being very "old school", you can't beat cubic inches....ie., 40hp is not necessarilly 40hp...torque is the name of the game in tractors...yeah, they are each rated at 40 horse power, but how is it made...by cubic inches, or by rpm...personally, I'd rather have a larger engine (normally aspirated) that makes that HP at a lower rpm, than a turbo'd engine that makes the same HP at a much higher rpm...but, that's just me... BobG in VA
PS: I haven't looked at the two machines you're looking at, and don't know if the above enters the picture, but if it does, well, you know the rest...
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[TSO]

Do you have an accessible Iseki dealer? In my experience, they are incredible tractors. I've put almost 1000 hrs between two Iseki tractors in the last two years and they've been incredible, problem free. (Massey 1648 & 1652). Iseki doesn't sell in USA, and they actually build the majority of Massey tractors under 100hp.

I believe this would be the Iseki TSG series.

 

[4570Man]

It sounds like you are comparing apples to oranges. The Mahindra is substantially more tractor in this lineup. Why can't your wife operate the bigger tractor? Unless you need the lighter weight Kioti for something the bigger tractor can't do I'd get the bigger one. You will never drive up to a log and say I sure wish I got that smaller tractor so I could cut this in half first. You will never be using a ground engaging implement and say I sure wish I got the smaller tractor so this will take twice as long. You will never get a scoop of dirt and say I wish I got the smaller tractor so I would have to make two trips.

 

[mike69440]

Being very "old school", you can't beat cubic inches....ie., 40hp is not necessarilly 40hp...torque is the name of the game in tractors...yeah, they are each rated at 40 horse power, but how is it made...by cubic inches, or by rpm...personally, I'd rather have a larger engine (normally aspirated) that makes that HP at a lower rpm, than a turbo'd engine that makes the same HP at a much higher rpm...but, that's just me... BobG in VA
PS: I haven't looked at the two machines you're looking at, and don't know if the above enters the picture, but if it does, well, you know the rest...
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Turbos & torque Statement not always true, especially today.
Size turbo smallish for low end grunt it will have more torque than big NA motor for same max power.

You will never get a scoop of dirt and say I wish I got the smaller tractor so I would have to make two trips.

Well if you have to use a shovel and wheel barrel to move your pile as the big tractor does not fit, you would be wishing for a smaller tractor.

But in general bigger and better begin with a "B"

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Turbos & torque Statement not always true, especially today.
Size turbo smallish for low end grunt it will have more torque than big NA motor for same max power.

If 500 ft/lbs of torque at 3000rpm is equal to 500 ft/lbs of torque at 1500rpm....I'd rather have it at 1500...cubic inches count. BobG in VA

 

[4570Man]

Turbos & torque Statement not always true, especially today. Size turbo smallish for low end grunt it will have more torque than big NA motor for same max power. Well if you have to use a shovel and wheel barrel to move your pile as the big tractor does not fit, you would be wishing for a smaller tractor. But in general bigger and better begin with a "B"

I have only had to move one pile with a shovel. Nothing except possibly a walk behind skid steer would have worked. I doubt even that would have. I have done plenty of things a smaller tractor couldn't have.

 

[mike69440]

I have only had to move one pile with a shovel. Nothing except possibly a walk behind skid steer would have worked. I doubt even that would have. I have done plenty of things a smaller tractor couldn't have.

Like I you seem to have a good mix of equipment/attachements and so forth.

I'm going on 62, but in my younger days I tackled all too much with hand tools, digging Prying Lugging, Splittng, tilling, pounding and chopping, etc I did some damage, which has caught up to me. I'm trying to recover to the extent i can still have some fun, but those Dbl diamonds are out this winter, I need more time in gym.

From here on in I want to be like a politican, i.e. use a shovel for cermonial occasions and photo ops.

With our little farm, I still get exercise, except with an office jov vs lanscaping aand construction, i'm not getting enough.

Ranking my equipment:

L39 Used oftem, Abosultely Essential. This place simple would not function for long without it. A relatively small, heavy, strudy, versitale ,strong machine. Things would go to heck and it would be a real struggle.
RTV 900 Really Very handy on almost a daily basis. A real labor savor haauling and getting around, towing, dumping, etc
Max28 Very handy for the little tractor jobs, used often, a real back asver, big enough where a sub compact would fail but small enough to do sub compact work, large enought to do some stuff you think you need a std size CUT for. Max 28 handles regular cat 1 implements better than expected.
PC75UU2 excavator. Very handy, but seldom used anymore, (Approx +30 hrs year, vs +500 Hrs when first bought. When you need something that can lift, doze, grade, Log, dig as strong and fasster better than a full size construction TLB, this thing is handy.) I was killing the L39. It can do projects better suited to a 12T excavator, is manuvarble in the woods., and as long as you decide that 100 year old tree should go on living, is all I need for firewood and land clearing.
Now that the farm is established , it is not necessary, but I'd want too much money to let it go. (PM me an offer to see if I'm right!)
I have a thread going back 10 years when we bought this pile of ridge, ledge and woods that is now our home and farm.

 

[mike69440]

I have only had to move one pile with a shovel. Nothing except possibly a walk behind skid steer would have worked. I doubt even that would have. I have done plenty of things a smaller tractor couldn't have.

I same as you seem to have a good mix of equipment / attachments and so forth for our tasks.

I'm going on 62, but in my younger days I tackled all too much with hand tools, digging prying lugging, splitting, tilling, pounding and chopping, etc. I did some damage to me physically, which has caught up to me. I'm trying to recover to the extent i can still have some fun, but those Dbl diamonds are out this winter, I need more time in gym.

From here on in i want to be like a politician, i.e. use a shovel for ceremonial occasions and photo ops.

With our little farm, I still get exercise, except with an office job vs. landscaping and construction, I’m not getting enough.

Ranking my equipment:

L39 Absolutely Essential, This place simple would not function for long without it. Things would go to heck and it would be a real struggle.


RTV 900 Really Very handy on almost a daily basis. A real labor savor hauling and getting around, towing, dumping, etc


Max28 Very handy for the little tractor jobs, used often, a real back saver, big enough where a sub compact would fail but small enough to do sub compact work, large enough to do some stuff you think you need a std size CUT for. Max 28 handles regular cat 1 implements better than expected.


PC75UU2 excavator. Very handy also, but seldom used anymore, (Approx +30 hrs year, vs. +500 Hrs when first bought. When you need something that can lift, doze, grade, Log, dig as strong and faster better than a full size construction TLB, this thing is handy.) I was killing the L39. It can do projects better suited to a 12T excavator, is maneuverable in the woods., and as long as you decide that 100 year old tree should go on living, is all I need for firewood and land clearing.


Now that the farm is established , it is not necessary, but I'd want too much money to let it go. (PM me an offer to see if I'm right!)
I have a thread going back 10 years when we bought this pile of ridge, ledge and woods that is now our home and farm.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...weekend.html?highlight=Busy+wife+this+weekend

 

[4570Man]

I don't know what I would do without my mule. It isn't strong enough for real work, but it gets use on a daily.

 

[mike69440]

I don't know what I would do without my mule. It isn't strong enough for real work, but it gets use on a daily.

Don't give my wife ideas. Her freind just got 2
PS I miss my old B7200!

Getting back to the Subject of the thread, I vote for bigger tractor. Then he should pick up a B7XXX to have a small tractor. They run well and you can sell for what you paid for it.

 

[4570Man]

Don't give my wife ideas. Her freind just got 2 PS I miss my old B7200!

Are hers gas powered?

 

[mike69440]

Are hers gas powered?

You did not mention in your profile a Kawaski Mule, Her's are gas powered depending which end you are near. Could get kicked also.

 

[4570Man]

You did not mention in your profile a Kawaski Mule, Her's are gas powered depending which end you are near. Could get kicked also.

I forgot about it when I created my account. Profile edited.

 

[Catch95]

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts. I know my reaction when I got on the Mahindra was that it felt like a real tractor. The compact Kioti did feel a little small. But the Kioti does seem to be better finished - for what that's worth. I did get a chance to speak to mechanics at both dealers - away from the dealerships. Both swore by their machines and said they hadn't had seen any real issues with either.

One thing I am interested in though is people's opinions on what is better on the hills. My place gets pretty hilly, and while I shouldn't admit it, I have got in the odd sticky situation. We get a lot of rain so the ground can get soggy. Wondering if the extra weight of the Mahindra will be a benefit or an issue. I think its nearly double the weight of the 40hp Kioti.

Mark