Underlayment for Metal Roof

/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #21  
Can you put ice stops to slow the rumble?

In the mountains a lot of the new metal roofs have stops for ice and snow...
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #22  
I've thought about it, but I don't want ice building up via freeze thaw cycles. Ultimately I want it all off the roof(s). The weight can be a factor over time. Last winter we had MASSIVE amounts of both snow and ice, then more of both. I have an atrium roof between old part of house and new addition that has radiant heat tubing under metal track that is thermostatically and rain/snow controlled. This allows for the gable ends to melt anything before it can stick, so it can't build up on the gable end walls.
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #23  
My current house had Forrest Green metal put on the roof 8 years ago. I noticed darker colors fade more in hard sun. That might be okay but if you put on an addition the colors will be way off. My original roof vs. the new addition last year was noticeable but not terrible. To correct that I would have to replace all the old tin, so I took a closer look at it matched perfectly:laughing:

Around here, they went right over the shingles with the tin and worked out fine. For the addition I built it like a pole shed roof but used a thin insulation under the tin for condensation. I put in a foot or so insulation in the attic so noise isn't a problem.

Similar issues, but in our case, we had 3 year old pole barn with forest green metal roof and a 25 y/o house with a really badly sun degraded, rolled, cracked, stoneless asphalt roof, which we had replaced after a full 2years of interviewing roofers with small and large companies/crews.

We also ende up with a complete tear-off, which in our case revealed some big problems which had been atcleast partly camoflaged by the roofing materials.

That led to some repairs and then as was said by the OP, underlayment with a synthetic replacement for asphalt felt paper, which is significantly more waterproof and resilient.

Our local codes call for the ice dam barrier membrane for the bottom 3' or 4' of the roof above the edge.

Our house roof is standing seam, which is also synonymous with hidden fastener roofing.

I considered getting a crimped seam roof but my wife was worried about how hard it would make any future repairs.

Funny thing, we went driviing around looking for houses with metal roofs for months before we got ours done, so we coul ask the owners who did their roofs nnd would they use them again, and we actually found very few to compare.

Now about 4 or 5 months later, we see them everywhere.

God luck, now that we finally have ours, we love it.

BTW, for all those saying that metal roofs are hotter than asphalt, you couldn't be more wrong.

Metal roofs have a higher albedo, which means that they are more reflective, therefore there is less heat gain.

Also because they are raised off of the roof deck on batten boards or purlins, so that there is air flow under them, they actually create a convective air flow, which further helps to cool them.

Although we did have one yutz who called himself a roofer, who wanted to screw the metal panels directly to the roof deck, violating every principle of metal roof installation- we told him to go spit, and he was outraged that we didn't think he was doing us a favor by bidding on our job.

PPS: For barn and shed roofs, installing a vapor barrier and even a nominal 1" of fiberglass or foam board insulation goes a long way to prevent condensation from forming and raining down on the inside of it.

We have had a devil of a time keeping it from occurring in our wood shed, especially in midwinter thaws when the air temps get into the 40's or 50's but there is a foot or more of snow sitting up on top of the roof cooling it.

Our wood shed has a lean-to roof, but it isn't very steep, so snow sits on it for months...
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #24  
Can you put ice stops to slow the rumble?

I've thought about it, but I don't want ice building up via freeze thaw cycles. Ultimately I want it all off the roof(s).

That is exactly what the Morton Buildings representative told me when I asked about a snow stop of some sort above the service door. I see them being used on a lot of metal roofs so I don't know who has the better idea.
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #25  
Here are two pictures showing my cuddle-sack...

I built before the other homes and put in the road to the last house on the right looking towards the forest... thought about metal roofing and in the end couldn't justify the copper... I do have copper flashing, gutters, downspouts and all the exterior window sills are copper is is my z-flashing where the wood meets the stucco.

What is interesting is the first house on left is all copper roof with ice stops...

If you look closer you will see the kids playhouse... the roof was just put on that week and the kids playhouse roof is all copper and the fence around the yard is all stainless... stainless tubing with the welds polished out and stainless panels...
 

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/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #26  
Can you put ice stops to slow the rumble?

In the mountains a lot of the new metal roofs have stops for ice and snow...

We have seven "snow angels" over the stairs so it doesn't dump all at once.

Our home inspector said he's inspected 50 year old roofs in good condition.

Very popular with people who heat with wood also.

Ours has an underlayment to reduce noise and improve insulation.
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #27  
Can you put ice stops to slow the rumble?

In the mountains a lot of the new metal roofs have stops for ice and snow...

We have seven "snow angels" over the stairs so it doesn't dump all at once.

Our home inspector said he's inspected 50 year old roofs in good condition.

Very popular with people who heat with wood also.

Ours has an underlayment to reduce noise and improve insulation.
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #28  
New metal roofs are pretty slick. Where I live, some years the honey dew coming off the big sugar maples coats the roofs and slows the snow slide. In a heavy lake effect snow area, you want the snow to depart your roof, rumble or not. Most shedding is the slow ooze type, but I have seen sheets fly out twelve feet or so. The snow guards are usually used when there is a doorway directly underneath the snow path. Especially on businesses... where customers being knocked down to their knees by a hundreds of pounds of snow is a bad thing..... You learn not to walk next to your building in the winter, and put up with the rumble so you don't have to climb on the roof and shovel. :)
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #29  
New metal roofs are pretty slick. Where I live, some years the honey dew coming off the big sugar maples coats the roofs and slows the snow slide. In a heavy lake effect snow area, you want the snow to depart your roof, rumble or not. Most shedding is the slow ooze type, but I have seen sheets fly out twelve feet or so. The snow guards are usually used when there is a doorway directly underneath the snow path. Especially on businesses... where customers being knocked down to their knees by a hundreds of pounds of snow is a bad thing..... You learn not to walk next to your building in the winter, and put up with the rumble so you don't have to climb on the roof and shovel. :)

Sounds awfully dangerous to me! Lawsuit waiting to happen, maybe.
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #30  
That's why they starting putting snow guards on metal roofs. But now, natural selection no longer thins out the weak minded...... :)
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #31  
Curling off of the porch roof.
 

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/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #32  
Although it makes installation more difficult (tight fasteners will spread the metal), I have done 4 roofs with driving the exposed metal screws through the rib of the roofing metal. Metal needs to be predrilled or punched to start the screws on the ribs but keeping the screws out of the water channels greatly reduces the risk of leaks if you don't want to spend big bucks on standing seam/hidden fasteners.
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #33  
I don't have a metal roof but a rubber roof on a roof with a slight pitch. The roofer added plastic plates using an adhesive to prevent snow slide but last winter most came loose when the sun hit the build up snow and it came off the roof with a rumble. I didn't worry about the result as I would rather have the snow/ice come off and not build up from added snow falls. The semi-flat roof is on the southern end of the house with sun exposure all day when the sun shines in the wintertime. The rest of the house has a typical shingled (40 yr) roof.
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #34  
yup....snow guards are for the safety of people walking below......not for the roof.......when the snow layer against the metal starts to melt and that build up of snow lets go it can be quite dangerous as it falls all at once.........personally I have found the mechanically fastened type of snow guards work better then the adhesive applied ones........Jack
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #35  
Most of the traditional Alpine Chalet style roofs are low slope designed to keep snow in place...

I don't have a picture with the roof loaded... but, it does happen.
 

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/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #36  
Although it makes installation more difficult (tight fasteners will spread the metal), I have done 4 roofs with driving the exposed metal screws through the rib of the roofing metal. Metal needs to be predrilled or punched to start the screws on the ribs but keeping the screws out of the water channels greatly reduces the risk of leaks if you don't want to spend big bucks on standing seam/hidden fasteners.

We limited the snow stops on our new roof to over the openings exactly because they have to be screwed into the roof, and then we chose the solid bar type of snow stop because it got screwed to the top of the ridges on the affected roof areas.

To quote my uncle on the subject: "I didn't spend all that money on a hidden fastener roof to have them put screw holes in the flats..."
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #37  
We have a hidden fastener,raised seam roof and love it. Ice stops are not only for safety,but also to save your gutters,almost lost our the first year before I got ice stops installed,and they clamp to the raised seams,no screws. Only penetration is the plumbing vent and plumber hooked all together so only one.
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #38  
Most of the traditional Alpine Chalet style roofs are low slope designed to keep snow in place...

I don't have a picture with the roof loaded... but, it does happen.

I don't have one of our house either, but once it got snow on it last winter, it had it there until we got the final thaw in, what April or May last spring...

I better have similar snow coverage this year [if we ever get any], or I'm gonna be calling the roofer to find out what he did to my ventilation.
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #39  
We have a hidden fastener,raised seam roof and love it. Ice stops are not only for safety,but also to save your gutters,almost lost our the first year before I got ice stops installed,and they clamp to the raised seams,no screws. Only penetration is the plumbing vent and plumber hooked all together so only one.

I was hoping for a system like yours, but no roofer around here ever heard of a clamp-on system.

It was bad enough trying to get one to agree to doing a metal roof in the first place, then we had to find one that had done standing seams, and then all they had ever done was either the screw-onto-the-ridges snow bars, or screw-into-the-flats snow angels.

We neither liked the look nor the idea of screws into the flats, hence we went with the snow bars- but just the shortest section over each of the doors that we could get away with.
 
/ Underlayment for Metal Roof #40  
We put an aluminum shingle roof on our cottage back in August. They definitely don't give that stuff away but it is guaranteed forever and will not rust like most of the steel roofs. The steel has good warranties for corrosion, don't get me wrong, but they do allow rust within 1" of a cut. For underlayment we used a high temp ice and water shield used for metal roofs over the entire roof. Mainly because it was a 3/12 pitch and then a synthetic underlayment on top of that made by Talon. Here is a pic just after the first few courses were laid, sorry I don't have any pics of the finished roof.



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