New to me 67' ford 4000 questions

   / New to me 67' ford 4000 questions #1  

johnwllms309

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1967 Ford 4000
Recently purchased what is suppose to be a 1967 4000, it has some issues, but I do as well so hopefully we'll get along. The pad near the starter shows IMG_1946.JPG which seems correct but is a diesel manual says should be gas. On the left it shows IMG_1948.JPG not sure what that means. on the center of the rear I found IMG_1950.JPG which I also have no idea about. It also has a 19-532 IMG_1956.JPG loader scabbed on it which is fine me but needs work as wel.

1) What do I have best anyone can tell?
2)Temp gauge after repairing some wiring hangs out in the upper middle while idling then moves mid red under light load driving around no boil over, best way to verify the operating temp?
3) A whine developed in/ near the rear while driving around I plan on changing the fluid, but possible causes?
4) PTO continues to turn regardless of lever position it should be independent so best place to start diagnosing?
5) Where do I find the engine numbers pan rail?
I plan on all the usual filter /fluid changes where is everyone's favorite parts place for earlier models like mine?

Thanks
John

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   / New to me 67' ford 4000 questions #2  
I have no experience with this tractor, but I would take the temp with a typical lab thermometer to see what it's really running at. You might have funky reading due to many things, but could possibly be at the right temp.

That's a live PTO, so the clutch could possibly be sticking in some way or another? Did this tractor sit for a long time?

As for the rest, I'm of no help. I hope you get some good answers from the folks here!

Best of luck!

Chris
 
   / New to me 67' ford 4000 questions #3  
John, it's a 4100 (4000 series), originally with gas engine, but obviously swapped for diesel. The PTO is independent, wet clutch in the rear end. PTO brake is worn out or the whole PTO clutch has worn causing it to turn constantly and possible source of the whine.
19-532 loader is a 730 series loader.
Engine serial number and date code located on the RH horizontal middle of oil pan or on the front RH vertical of the engine block where it bolts to the front bolster.
Also, the year code 6L... indicates that the basic tractor is a 1966 (6), November build (L)
The rear axle housing number is the date code, 1967 (7), January (A). It doesn't mean much and is not normally used for parts or anything.
 
   / New to me 67' ford 4000 questions
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Thanks Guys,
I haven't been around tractors since I was little. Seems like someone went through a lot of effort to get a diesel, I bought it to use it was just a curiosity.

The temperature is more concerning than anything right now, i did have to splice some wiring so that may have changed the resistance the gauge is seeing. What would be a normal operating temp? 190 or higher, lower?
Maybe I could use a digital thermometer strapped to the upper radiator hose?

Hopefully I'll have time this weekend to start changing fluids and see what I find

Again thanks guys.
John
 
   / New to me 67' ford 4000 questions #5  
Could it be that in crossbreeding the diesel into the tractor they also used various pieces to hook up the heat gauge and have made it inaccurate?? For example, maybe the diesel engine measures water temp in a hotter area than the original gas engine did, causing the gauge to think it's hot, reflecting temps in the "red????

Just guessing on that one....

Yeah, I'd think if the engine is at operating temp the water temp at the upper hose might be as high as 190, but probably wouldn't be any higher. Those old engines didn't operate at as high of temp as the modern stuff does.

Sounds like a great project tractor to me. My Son bought a Ford 900 last Spring for $500. In his research he's discovered it was one of the special demo models. It was painted all gold at one time!!!
 
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I had not thought about differences between gas/ diesel, unfortunately between cold weather & a battery that needs replacing we didn't get along today.

I didn't get a chance to check the temperatures, infrared, upper hose or otherwise. Finally got it cranked ( love a half dead battery) walked away after a few minutes came back to find black gold running down from the oil filter housing. Shut it down rapidly didn't loose much, pressure was good when I killed it, wish I had ordered filters now I got busy yesterday when everything was open. Gasket was smashed flat in a spot, I think between the cold old oil & the gasket spelled trouble.

Is the spin on adapter & filter better easier to find a filter on a Sunday?

What's better I mentioned cantankerous SOB(tractor) to my wife, talking about the tractor, she said it's just like me. I think my next purchase is going to be a dog LOL.
 
   / New to me 67' ford 4000 questions #7  
What's better I mentioned cantankerous SOB(tractor) to my wife, talking about the tractor, she said it's just like me. I think my next purchase is going to be a dog LOL.

I never know how to take those comments. So,,, I've developed the idea of saying nothing. I'm never quite sure whether she's supporting my position or attacking it. :)
 
   / New to me 67' ford 4000 questions #8  
Tractor tech has helped me out a couple times and his info is always dead on. As far as coolant temp goes, I'm a little irritated at the gauge on my 3500 and want to know what the actual temp is so I will be installing an actual gauge with numbers soon. I don't like colors for temp reference. I know , whine whine whine
 
   / New to me 67' ford 4000 questions #9  
Tractor tech has helped me out a couple times and his info is always dead on. As far as coolant temp goes, I'm a little irritated at the gauge on my 3500 and want to know what the actual temp is so I will be installing an actual gauge with numbers soon. I don't like colors for temp reference. I know , whine whine whine

I agree. So rather than marry myself to a gauge, I tend to be aware of the mechanical issues, sight, smell, etc. If you aren't boiling out coolant, you are always good.

A very accurate gauge is a plus, if watched. If not, then you are back to your senses.
 
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I agree a gauge would be better, but I am not sure there is a good place to install one I looked at it this weekend. Also I do a lot by feel sight, sound, smell, being new to tractors & it being about 6 years older than me with no history has me a bit nervous. So I am just taking it slow do the maintenance stuff first then start fixing then polishing/ painting it up. I should have changed the fluids & filters before anything else, so they are on order and maybe I'll have time to accomplish that & rewire everything this weekend if I don't have to work.

I bought it from a guys son-in law off of craigslist , has a new stinger pump for the loader, and either has a new clutch or PTO ( son-in law said clutch, father-in law said PTO, clutch works, PTO doesn't exactly go figure).

Also want to say thanks to everyone there is an absolute ton of information on this sight.

Thanks
John
 

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