under armour for a max26/8?

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seems it may not be a bad idea, anyone make any or am I gonna hafta roll my own?

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/ under armour for a max26/8? #2  
Ouch! I've been in the process of mocking up cardboard to make something. Trial & error but nothing welded / built yet. I took out one of my rubber lines (backhoe) & twisted tubes pretty good... Not sure if anyone else has made anything.
 
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yeah the underside of mine has taken a beating just clearing out some small trees, mostly from crap popping up while I'm trying to push it out of the way. I have to say, I'm becoming less pleased with this max 26, it's got a number of pluses over my old 28 but some of the other things that got changed are rapidly progressing from mild irritation to psychotic rage inducing, the seat being chief amongst them.
 
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So your hoses being cut by branches while running over all kinds of mess is whats turning you off on the tractor? Or other issues...
 
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So your hoses being cut by branches while running over all kinds of mess is whats turning you off on the tractor? Or other issues...

The seat and it's far-reaching impact has just about reached the unforgivable point. Maybe if I was blissfully ignorant to what things used to be I wouldn't be so irate about it, but the seat configuration on my max 28 was WORLDS better in terms of ease of repeat-ability and robustness, as well as not feeling like a craftsman lawn tractor seat.


Anything that happens to the underside as a result of what I'm doing, while annoying, is self inflicted and treated as such. I have had a far higher incidence of small issues though with this tractor(but I've also been clearing more brush with this than with my 28).


at the 110 hour mark I'd had the following issues with my max 28:
flat front tire (stupid bradford pears) -> operator issue
seat wiring broke (harness wasn't secured correctly, I didn't notice until it'd broken loose and the tractor wouldn't start)
knocked a turn signal off the back (obvious operator issue. Don't pull trees down on yourself, should go without saying but sometimes you get caught up in arboreal destruction)
battery leaking/corrosion (allegedly a bad batch of batteries, whatevs, replaced this feb with a new battery)
fuel pickup clogged after I accidentally knocked the strainer down into the tank. wasp apparently got in there and died, and plugged the fuel line. Operator issue.
Wiring issue preventing normal cranking (around the 110 hour mark). Something allegedly "deep in the harness" was shorting out causing the safety system to prevent the starter from engaging. would start perfectly if you jumped the starter solenoid.
FEL loader control jammed up (at the 110 hour mark. This is incidentally, why I no longer have my max 28, as it was stolen while at the dealer getting repaired).
diff lock incorrectly adjusted and non-functional the entire time I owned the unit (relatively minor issue but it bears mentioning in terms of fairness)

That comes out to an incident per ~14 hours of use (which for me would normally be two + months of general use before I had to address something; but ish seemed to happen in clusters.. seat wiring and flat tire were both inside of 15 hours, then nothing for a year, then the turn signal and fuel pickup happened relatively close together, and right at the end the wiring and FEL control)


on my 26 in 13.5 hours I've had:
flat front tire (stupid bradford pears) -> operator issue
Rear tire leaking down, unknown cause as of now, could be me, could be faulty valve. no obvious punctures/tears/etc.
FEL hose exploded at the 6 hour mark (or maybe the 9 hour mark, don't recall) on one of the curl cylinders. No FOD, not under load, just popped in mid air while I was curling back.
rear hydraulics appear to be incorrectly routed, difficult to remove and attach backhoe lines. will address when I have time to take everything off and see what will work the best
seat issues -> washers interfering and bending causing jams. Sticky swivel mechanism, incorrectly routed seat belt
main(?) hydraulic line separated -> operator issue, FOD
Missing bolts on backhoe bucket pins, missing backhoe attachment pin straps (for lack of a better word, the large pins that attach the hoe to the frame).
e-brake incorrectly adjusted (I hope), won't hold tractor still in gear or in neutral

That comes out to an incident per ~1.7 hours of use. Not too good regardless of the cause, but again I am taking into consideration the insidious nature of brush and branches and the reality that once this project is complete I likely won't be doing anything this intense for years if not ever again, so I would expect the rate of incidence to drop more in line with my old max 28.


Don't get me wrong, I love the line of tractors, otherwise I'da gone a different direction after the insurance settlement two months ago, and I do really like *most* of the new little features on the 26.. the quick attach bucket, cup holder(ok, that's kinda funny to say, but it's a nice thing to have!), the 3pt mounts on the backhoe frame so you can keep everything with the tractor. All nice things, all adversely affected by the 'user experience' with the seat (imo). My dealer has been great with the issues I've brought to them, I don't expect anyone to hold my hand and I'm not afraid to get dirty working on something, but this sears special seat is BS on a tractor that MSRP's for 26-27k, especially in light of the previous seat.

I have a whole different thread about that tho, this thread was more to see if someone'd drawn up or offered for sale (or just pictures of) skid plates similar to what they have for the kubotas on bxpanded. It's not a huge deal to make some, I've got all the tools, I just don't really have all the time. What thickness plate to use (or alu, but could add a little ballast to the tractor at a relatively low point), that sort of stuff.
 
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Ok you got a backhoe on the 26 this explains a lot of what you talking about.. did your 28 not have a backhoe?

Why not try something more simple like a hard polly first like what you see on the bottom of UTVs?
 
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Ok you got a backhoe on the 26 this explains a lot of what you talking about.. did your 28 not have a backhoe?

Why not try something more simple like a hard polly first like what you see on the bottom of UTVs?

I did have a backhoe on the 28 as well.

Hard poly probably isn't a bad idea, I'm just more comfortable with metal. where might one procure such poly?
 
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played with fire again (at least that's what it feels like), and lost again. went about pulling up roots with my modified plow (single chisel blade basically, was working fairly well actually), and once again took a shot in the hydraulics in spite of being careful. This time a branch popped up and pushed the hydraulic system filter (good luck cross-referencing that, ~$50 at the dealer) backwards into the rather sharp diff lock linkage, poof, exsanguination once again.

Interesting side note, the filter doesn't have a check valve, so it started siphoning the fluid out of the HST. ran the tractor back up to the driveway and just barely made it before it bled completely out.

If anyone's curious, from the front of the 'subframe' to the back is right at 48 inches, and it starts out at around 14 inches wide (outside to outside) and expands out to 21 inches wide. It appears that the linkages do not protrude down below the bottom of the subframe, but I'll be verifying that.

I'll also be adding 'wings' that will extend out and up from the frame to the edge of the operator's platform to protect the hydraulic filter and various other items that exist out there.

Looking at the bxpanded site, they're using 1/8th sheet steel, so I'll give that a shot and reinforce as needed. I suspect though, that without something to 'grab' on to, stuff will slide out of the way rather than try and punch through. Oh well.
 
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Re: under armour for a max26/8?Hydraulic Filter X-Refence.

played with fire again (at least that's what it feels like), and lost again. went about pulling up roots with my modified plow (single chisel blade basically, was working fairly well actually), and once again took a shot in the hydraulics in spite of being careful. This time a branch popped up and pushed the hydraulic system filter (good luck cross-referencing that, ~$50 at the dealer) backwards into the rather sharp diff lock linkage, poof, exsanguination once again.

Interesting side note, the filter doesn't have a check valve, so it started siphoning the fluid out of the HST. ran the tractor back up to the driveway and just barely made it before it bled completely out.

If anyone's curious, from the front of the 'subframe' to the back is right at 48 inches, and it starts out at around 14 inches wide (outside to outside) and expands out to 21 inches wide. It appears that the linkages do not protrude down below the bottom of the subframe, but I'll be verifying that.

I'll also be adding 'wings' that will extend out and up from the frame to the edge of the operator's platform to protect the hydraulic filter and various other items that exist out there.

Looking at the bxpanded site, they're using 1/8th sheet steel, so I'll give that a shot and reinforce as needed. I suspect though, that without something to 'grab' on to, stuff will slide out of the way rather than try and punch through. Oh well.

See post #8 & Photo at:
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/.../341152-max28-filter-intechange-list-bet.html
I could not find any Hydraulic filter other than the OEM or the Rebranded one Mihindra sells for the Max26/Max28

I had a branch go thru the radiator of my L39 once. (Fun!)

I am sure glad I'm done with the majority of my land clearing. Plus its nice to have my excavator, thoght I had a medium-small size tree fell on it. Scared the C__ out of me!
 
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Re: under armour for a max26/8?Hydraulic Filter X-Refence.

A word of advice to all who have a E MAX or MAX series tractor. These tractors are for light duty use ONLY. They were not designed for landscaping or construction site use. They are perfect for lawns,flower beds and lite lifting and digging. Most of you with these issues should have considered the work you intending to do with it! Maybe spent a little more $$ and went to the 16 Series tractor. To all who are having issues. Make sure you dealer knows the problems you are having and they follow up with Mahindra!
 
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Re: under armour for a max26/8?Hydraulic Filter X-Refence.

A word of advice to all who have a E MAX or MAX series tractor. These tractors are for light duty use ONLY. They were not designed for landscaping or construction site use. They are perfect for lawns,flower beds and lite lifting and digging. Most of you with these issues should have considered the work you intending to do with it! Maybe spent a little more $$ and went to the 16 Series tractor. To all who are having issues. Make sure you dealer knows the problems you are having and they follow up with Mahindra!

I am not sure about the E-Max but the Mitsu/Mahindra is one of the most capable small tractor out there, despite its flaws, tto which I've elaborated on elsewhere. I agree it is not a construction, heavy landscaper tractor, but it can make a heck of a '"flower bed", as darn 3 Pt. can lift a ton!
 
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Re: under armour for a max26/8?Hydraulic Filter X-Refence.

A word of advice to all who have a E MAX or MAX series tractor. These tractors are for light duty use ONLY. They were not designed for landscaping or construction site use. They are perfect for lawns,flower beds and lite lifting and digging. Most of you with these issues should have considered the work you intending to do with it! Maybe spent a little more $$ and went to the 16 Series tractor. To all who are having issues. Make sure you dealer knows the problems you are having and they follow up with Mahindra!

Dealer knows about the things that are dealer-related problems. As I've said before, clearing brush and having stuff bounce up into the undercarriage is not likely to be a warranty issue, nor is this something I would expect or demand a solution from the dealer. That being said-I didn't buy a $27,000(msrp) tractor to plant flower beds and drag around wheel-barrow sized loads of materials (although, tbh, when the heavy lifting is over, that's about all it's going to be used for haha). If I only had my property to worry about, I would have probably upgraded when my max28 was stolen, however I added gates on both my current residence as well as my rental properties with the width of the max in mind (oh and the volvo has a towing capacity of about what my trailer and tractor weigh, not much room for wiggling there either).

It would be nice, if mahindra offered a belly pan for those of us that don't use the mid-pto, however they don't, so I went downtown and bought a 4x8 sheet of 11 gauge mild and am building my own.
The seat however, remains an abortion. One of the circlips popped off the other night and one of the spring loaded deals that holds it at the halfway point fell out at the same time. This was while I was pitching it forwards and backwards whilst re-routing the hydraulic lines to more favorable (safer) locations.

anyway, pics of the skidplate constructions (don't judge my welds, I couldn't see what I was doing and I wasn't smart enough to tack it and then weld it off the tractor until after I'd made things ugly)

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it's supported in the back, and before I actually did anything with it I put two more stands up under the front. This made for a funny picture though.

right hand side
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left hand side
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top view of the front (a brake would have been nice to have. maybe one day)
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rear view
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front view
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gotta bend the front up some more and then put some attachment points on it, and figure out the best way to extend front coverage without getting into moving objects. I'm also going to bend up some metal to extend from the sides up to the edge of the platform on both sides to protect the linkages and wiring. Reckon I'll hit it with bed liner when it's done
 
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Re: under armour for a max26/8?Hydraulic Filter X-Refence.

Dealer knows about the things that are dealer-related problems. As I've said before, clearing brush and having stuff bounce up into the undercarriage is not likely to be a warranty issue, nor is this something I would expect or demand a solution from the dealer. That being said-I didn't buy a $27,000(msrp) tractor to plant flower beds and drag around wheel-barrow sized loads of materials (although, tbh, when the heavy lifting is over, that's about all it's going to be used for haha). If I only had my property to worry about, I would have probably upgraded when my max28 was stolen, however I added gates on both my current residence as well as my rental properties with the width of the max in mind (oh and the volvo has a towing capacity of about what my trailer and tractor weigh, not much room for wiggling there either).

It would be nice, if mahindra offered a belly pan for those of us that don't use the mid-pto, however they don't, so I went downtown and bought a 4x8 sheet of 11 gauge mild and am building my own.
The seat however, remains an abortion. One of the circlips popped off the other night and one of the spring loaded deals that holds it at the halfway point fell out at the same time. This was while I was pitching it forwards and backwards whilst re-routing the hydraulic lines to more favorable (safer) locations.

anyway, pics of the skidplate constructions (don't judge my welds, I couldn't see what I was doing and I wasn't smart enough to tack it and then weld it off the tractor until after I'd made things ugly)

161488836.jpg

it's supported in the back, and before I actually did anything with it I put two more stands up under the front. This made for a funny picture though.

right hand side
161488838.jpg



left hand side
161488839.jpg



top view of the front (a brake would have been nice to have. maybe one day)
161488846.jpg


rear view
161488841.jpg



front view
161488844.jpg


gotta bend the front up some more and then put some attachment points on it, and figure out the best way to extend front coverage without getting into moving objects. I'm also going to bend up some metal to extend from the sides up to the edge of the platform on both sides to protect the linkages and wiring. Reckon I'll hit it with bed liner when it's done

I see worse welding, I.e. Stuff I've done.

Anyways, some hungry for business Fab shop with a measuring tape, break and punch and access to CAD ought to come up with underbelly armor for many cuts, and sell on TMN E-bay and amazon, and they could grow their business.

If they don't have CAD access PM me and give me a sketch & for either free armor or a small fee, I'll design.
 
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I like what you have done, Certainly cleans up the underside of it!!! I too have a backhoe and the soft lines that are zip-tied underneath broke when I snagged some brush. I re-attached and they are out of the way for the time being. Looking at what you have done; I would consider it to be a great permanent upgrade to what was there before
 
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linuxman51;4238237 Hard poly probably isn't a bad idea said:
Find an old plastic bedliner from a p/u tk. I use them for all kinds of "protection" on my tractor along with a steel skid plate from front to back. They cut nicely with a "skillsaw" and can be re-formed with a little heat. And I think that all of the newer tractors have a "tender" belly with all the hydraulics & wiring that the older machines just did not have. That's a hunk of bed liner on the grill guard, and a piece of it (with the stripes vertical) serving as a 2nd layer guarding the sides of the fuel tank above the step.:thumbsup:
 

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/ under armour for a max26/8? #18  
You fellas inspired me to make a belly pan(s) for mine as I'm very concerned about the brushes and rocks that I deal with at my place.
 
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Find an old plastic bedliner from a p/u tk. I use them for all kinds of "protection" on my tractor along with a steel skid plate from front to back. They cut nicely with a "skillsaw" and can be re-formed with a little heat. And I think that all of the newer tractors have a "tender" belly with all the hydraulics & wiring that the older machines just did not have. That's a hunk of bed liner on the grill guard, and a piece of it (with the stripes vertical) serving as a 2nd layer guarding the sides of the fuel tank above the step.:thumbsup:


Thanks for the suggestion! I snagged one last night for free to use with the more complex (and less likely to be directly hit) areas. Will probably reinforce some of it a little with brackets on the inside. I'll throw up pics when I get a few minutes to start (hoping tonight)
 
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finally got off my duff and got t work on the side pods. when I finish them I'll make something to go up underneath the engine, just in case. That bed liner plastic is some serious stuff.

passenger side was the guinea pig, as it no longer holds anything but linkage.

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got a little optomistic on my trimming on the curve, will address that on the driver's side (left), to keep things out of the filter area

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pretty nice stuff to work with actually, I drug *** getting started and it took me around 2 hours to make that (including cutting, trimming, talking trash, getting beer, figuring out different tricks to do the things I wanted to do, etc).

I bore easily, so I used my mapgas torch to heat the material up for bending rather than the hot air gun. worked well, once the material cooled back down it was rock hard. may be a tinge more brittle, but I doubt it, I didn't blister it up any worse than the heat gun would have.
 
 
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