Tipping etiquette...what would you do?

/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #21  
Thats one thing I hate. The ole excuse of how many tables he/she has and how busy he/she has been blah blah blah.

Not saying its the servers fault, but it certainly aint mine. When the family and I want to go dine out, its to get out of the house and relax, not listen to someone complain about how horrible their job is.

Now I can understand if they had an unexpected party of 50 people show up un-announced. But save the bickering and excuses. Do the best you can with a smile on your face will go along ways toward getting a better tip than wasting time complaining about how busy you are.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #22  
Some establishments make the tips be divided among the staff, server, bus boy, cook. As a result you may be tipping the cook.
Why we refuse to eat out anymore unless it is absolutely required. Food can be prepared at home better, healthier and less expensive. Why pay for bad, unhealthy food and lousy service. As my wife says you can cook that better at home than they did.

When we leave a tip, it's always in cash, and I make sure that the waiter/waitress gets it personally. Funny things, I've heard, are often done with the tip, so I want to make sure that the person serving gets it. How they split it up is up to them.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #23  
Thats one thing I hate. The ole excuse of how many tables he/she has and how busy he/she has been blah blah blah.

Not saying its the servers fault, but it certainly aint mine. When the family and I want to go dine out, its to get out of the house and relax, not listen to someone complain about how horrible their job is.

Now I can understand if they had an unexpected party of 50 people show up un-announced. But save the bickering and excuses. Do the best you can with a smile on your face will go along ways toward getting a better tip than wasting time complaining about how busy you are.

having worked hand in hand with food service industries for the last 17 years, I can tell you that many problems are management/owner level problems.

When a non newbie server is having issues due to too many tables, they are being oversat. While it may be directly an issue of the host not doing their job correctly, or and issue of a rush of customers, ultimately, (owners ) management / training should be at fault on errors of how to handle this.

For instance, some companies in a rush to not have long waits or lines, instead, seat tables as fast as they can wipe them. If they have 3 servers on the floor and seat 40 people... it sure ain't the servers fault! At better tended restaurants, you will sometimes see tables open, but a full waiting line or room.. these places are keeping their waitstaff with a managable number of tables, so the tables already sat aren't neglected.

Order correct-ness.

Some places are structured that there are food expaditers delivering food instead of the server. IE, server takes your order, rings it in to the kitchen including any special info. that ticket prints or displays ont he line and is prepped. many times the runners ticket ONLY shows what table, and if they are LUCKY, what position the food hits ( ie.. seats are numbered and then clocked, so food being dropepd off gets handed to the correct person instead of having to ask who gets what. ).. in those cases, the server doesn't get a chance to see the food inbetween order in and delivery, however depending ont he equipment they have, may get a ding or page or text that their food is up or has been ran, so that they can then go check the table for correctness.

In the years I worked at establishments that had food prep hooked to entertainment venues, the VAST majority of incorrect orders going out were kitchen problems. I'd call it 1:8 ratio EASY of server missrings vs kitchen fubars.

Not defending anyone.. just saying.. if you want to get something done and complain... figure out who/what/where the problem is.

As an example.. I was at a cracker bbl at lunch, the host was seating people and wiping tables as people were sat. We came post lunch. our office went in 2 groups of 3, one group getting their a bit later than the others. They were keeping the waiting line at the front low and moving.. .. however.. I counted only 3 servers on the floor. I'm pretty sure we waited 4 minutes from being sat to being recognized by one of the 3 servers as not being seen yet, who took our drink order. another 4 minutes and our server came with drinks and took our order. took another 15 minutes for stuff to start hitting, and everyone at the table ( 3 ) either ordered 'the special' pre-made baked chicken.. serve out of the pan, or scoop-up stuff like the vegi plates. (me), or an egg biscuit with sunny side up eggs. Biscuits and corbread are premade items such as the chicken, and the vegi's. the eggs take? what? a minute to plop and get a little thick/runnyish stiff. ? Our second group of 3 seated about a minute after we got our drinks, and as I hear, waited 20 minutes for the same type of 'pre made' foods.. ie scoop and serve.

That is an example of a resturant overseating it's servers.

Some places cut servers after a rush and then if they get a 2nd rush are under staffed. That's where you need management and owners to know the area and the typical crowds, etc.

I do notice I did not see any managers on the floor.. sometimes managers will help run food or put out fires. I can only speculate that the managers were in the kitchen, and they had a light labor force in the kitchen and servers.. but that is a guess. In either case.. that's an example of NOT your server's fault...

Again.. I'm not defending bad business practice in the food industry... I'm the first to shoot off a detailed email or letter to a company about unaceptable service ( or praise when deserved ), and I tip based on service. Exceptional service gets exceptional tip... A few places I go witht the wife we shoot for a specific server... those servers have our drinks and know our little special wants or needs ( kind a like cheers! ). Their tips START at 20%...
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #24  
I would have left a small tip. It's the servers job to get it right, even if the kitchen got it wrong.

Sat night we went to one of my favorite haunts, our food was brought out by someone other than the waitress. When the waitress came by the next time, she noticed my wife's salad was not fixed right,my wife had not noticed yet. The order was to hold the onion, and they held all the other toppings. The waitress went back to the kitchen and brought out all the other toppings right away.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #25  
I simply don't return a restaurant with poor service, poor food,etc. I figure there are too many other options.

Will
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #26  
Been to a few different places that have screwed up orders. Depending on how the issue was handled, depended on whether we have been back or not. If the waitress was good and handled the issue, or tried to get it solved, but was beyond there power then they get a good tip, even if we weren't happy with the food.

We have had our meal comped before, but that was because our waitress took our drink order, came back for our food order. Then vanished. Ended up flagging the manager after 45 minutes since we still hadn't received some complimentary bread or our salads. Or physically saw our waitress for that matter. Manager waited on us till the waitress showed up 20 minutes later. Then the waitress couldn't comprehend why my wife and I were upset, or why our meal was being comped :banghead::duh:
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #27  
Based on your description, I think a $1 tip was warranted. A 10% tip doesn't send any message other than you're a crappy tipper, same thing for no tip but a $1 tip sends a strong message to teh server that you are a tipper but felt the service was very poor.

The reason I say it was warranted was that it took 15 minutes to get the remake and you never got your mayo. The server should have expedited the remake and should have had that mayo at your table within 30 seconds, so your poor experience ultimately falls on him once the kitchen had the order back.

I'm a generous tipper, typically in the 20% - 30% range because I know how hard the job is and I know that they depend on those tips to live since their pay rate is onl4 $4.25/hr in most cases. I'll give the server the benefit of the doubt as well, if the food quality is poor but the service was good to exceptional, then they still get a good tip. They didn't cook it, I'm not going to punish them for bad food, I'll just not return to that restaurant. But, if I send something back and they don't make sure it comes back to be correctly or my tea runs out or I'm otherwise ignored, I'm going to reduce the tip accordingly and I think that's what applies in this case.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #28  
Was at mission bbq a few weeks ago, they have great food and service. you order and pick up your order at a counter, and they go over your order to make sure it is right. when i got mine it had fries i didnt order, and not on the bill. I let them know i didnt order the fries, the lady reaches in her pocket and gives me a coupon for a free sandwich.
Mission bbq does a lot for military, police, fire etc. On 9/11 first responders get free food.
Look them up. Their food is awesome.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #29  
I tip according to the overall experience. I'll tip for counter service if I feel it is exceptional food. Last weekend I went past a bakery and saw some raspberry bars in the display case. Looked really good. I ordered one but saw the person grab a crummy looking one in the back row, not nearly as nice as the ones by the window. So I gave the server no tip and told her why. They baited me with the yummy looking one and gave me the crummy looking one. No tip for that.

I would not go back to a place after leaving no tip in case they have a good memory. I have heard of spitful (spelled correctly) cooks and servers.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #30  
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I am going to call the restaurant today and try to speak to a manager so that I can ask them why this is such a problem (for me) at this location.

I appreciate the comments thus far.

Good luck and take care.

That's a good way to deal with this. Hopefully you can reach him or her at off-peak. How they respond should tell you a lot.

I think your $4 tip was o.k. under the circumstances. I can understand why you and your wife keep going back, if she really likes the place and the food is otherwise good. What I can't understand is why you don't like mayonaise! :confused3:
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #31  
Go one more time and ask to speak to the manager before you are seated. If they tell you the manager isn't available, say thanks and walk out and be sure to tell them why you are leaving. Give the manager a call from home. Keep calling and calling and if you never get the manager, find out who the owner is and call them. The fish rots from the head down.... (I think that's on the kids menu).

I think your $4 tip didn't do anything to make them think anything other than you're a low tipper. You should leave a note as to why your tip was low. Explain the reason. I disagree with letting the server off the hook for other's mistakes. The server is the one that is supposed to place AND CHECK the order. If its not the servers fault (how can it not be, they didn't check your order for accuracy), they can use the note as leverage with the kitchen and management to say, "Look! I get crummy tips because you can't fill orders correctly". The server is the face of the restaurant. Regardless of who screws up the order, its the server's responsibility to make it correct before it gets to the table.

Another thing you can do is tell them you want to pay at the register. 99 times out of 100, the person running the cash register will ask "How was everything?". That's your chance to be blunt.... "This is the third time I've ordered this sandwich and this is the third time it wasn't correct. I don't think we'll be recommending this place to our friends, and its a shame, because when the orders are correct, the food is fantastic." That'll usually get you a free meal or at least a serious discount. But you're not out for a free meal.... you just want your mayo on the side!!! :laughing:
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do?
  • Thread Starter
#33  
I agree with the comments that a $4 tip did nothing other than make the server think that I was a poor tipper (that's why I wanted to leave just $1). Work ended up being busier than I anticipated and I didn't get a chance to call yesterday.

Thanks for the advice. Good luck and take care.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #34  
I simply don't return a restaurant with poor service, poor food,etc. I figure there are too many other options.

Will

poor food I won't return to either...
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #35  
I don't eat out at restaurants very often but when I do I never tip a percentage of the bill... tips are a gratuity for service which has nothing to do with how much the food costs. I tip a finite amount for any good service I receive beyond the basic service the server is expected to provide. On a related note, why do servers think a tip is mandatory anyways? I never got a tip from a customer for doing my job and I never once thought I should.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #36  
I don't eat out at restaurants very often but when I do I never tip a percentage of the bill... tips are a gratuity for service which has nothing to do with how much the food costs. I tip a finite amount for any good service I receive beyond the basic service the server is expected to provide. On a related note, why do servers think a tip is mandatory anyways? I never got a tip from a customer for doing my job and I never once thought I should.

The servers are most often paid below minimum wage (because they make tips). The tips are how they are supposed to make up the difference. Unless you were a waiter or bartender your comparison isn't apples for apples.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #37  
The servers are most often paid below minimum wage (because they make tips). The tips are how they are supposed to make up the difference. Unless you were a waiter or bartender your comparison isn't apples for apples.

Servers are paid minimum wage here in Canada.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #38  
I used to work in a restaurant business for several years as a maintenance man. It was upscale Business club for rich people and in general treated employees better than average. Nevertheless about half of the personnel changed about four times a year. There were not many people working there longer than a year. Restaurant business is manned by desperate people. The minimum wage was (at that time) 2 USD while regular minimum wage was 4 USD. Therefore servers depended on tips. I pay reasonable tip even when service or food is bad. Bad service or food is always management problem so I don't want to punish the people on the lowest level.

On a side note. One time I talked to a restaurant inspector and he told me that big fancy restaurant that don't depend on local repeating customers have high rate of food safety violation. On the other hand mom and pop places where the owners are working in the business and are proud of the food and service they deliver are much safer places to eat. If they have food or service issues they are sooner or later out of business.

I traveled a lot to Asia for work. I would rarely eat at fancy places for the same reason. I would eat at the street or open market where you see how the food is prepared. Never, in 25 years, got sick from street food.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #39  
I agree with the comments that a $4 tip did nothing other than make the server think that I was a poor tipper (that's why I wanted to leave just $1). Work ended up being busier than I anticipated and I didn't get a chance to call yesterday.

Thanks for the advice. Good luck and take care.

When you do call, if you don't get any satisfaction from the manager, ask for his bosses name and phone number. That way you can pass it on up the food chain.
 
/ Tipping etiquette...what would you do? #40  
I tip according to the overall experience. I'll tip for counter service if I feel it is exceptional food. Last weekend I went past a bakery and saw some raspberry bars in the display case. Looked really good. I ordered one but saw the person grab a crummy looking one in the back row, not nearly as nice as the ones by the window. So I gave the server no tip and told her why. They baited me with the yummy looking one and gave me the crummy looking one. No tip for that.

I would not go back to a place after leaving no tip in case they have a good memory. I have heard of spitful (spelled correctly) cooks and servers.

When I was a kid we would gather in front of our village bakery every morning before school. The baker would come out and give us all freshly baked products he deemed not perfect for sale. Some were little burned, some broken etc. but all were perfectly edible. Then our parents would reward him by buying stuff there instead going elsewhere to more convenient place.
 

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