Toyota Tundra Problem?

[GManBart]

I have a 2007 Tundra, and have been on the Tundra forum since before I bought it...haven't seen much in the way of rust problems mentioned except for aftermarket rear bumpers. For a while people were complaining about rear bumpers that started rusting in a year or two, but it turns out they weren't from Toyota. Some dealers buy the trucks without bumpers, and then source them locally for less money, but they're usually lower quality.

 

[JKR]

That a 2005 Tundra. I work for Toyota.

 

[dbaer78]

I haven't heard of any rust problems for the past 5-6 years. Here's my 14 model. Does it look like this? The 12-13 models are similar but the lines are not quite so 'crisp' looking in the older models.

Not to take a away from this thread but THAT is a sharp looking Tundra! Love the work truck look.

 

[Dutch445]

i just picked up a used 2013 with 9 k miles on it,
traded a 2010 with 70k, no rust, but , i did have a bedliner
and rubber mat in the bed so i guess i can't say what was under there!

before that was an 07, and an 05, and an 01 which i gave my son. on that one
the bumpers looked bad (painted) but never noticed the box problem described.

 

[GManBart]

Performance specs and weight are near identical.

Not really. Aside from the loader and pump flow almost everything is higher/better (yes, even weight). Some of the changes are pretty dramatic...like over 25% more 3pt lift, but that's really a topic for another thread.

 

[JKR]

Toyota has a recall on all rusted frame from 1995 to current. If you are the original owner they will replace the frame for free.
When a bed rust out from the floor. The problem happens when heavy loads or rough objects are drag across the bed.
This removes the paint to expose the bare metal and the rust starts. Over the years if neglect to the paint and metal the bed will rust out and is not under the recall. We see this a lot on mansion contractor with cement blocks in the bed.
Toyota is one of the best car and truck company's out there.
If you had a 2000 Dodge with body rust see if they will warranty it. Toyota will fix there truck and give you a car to use until the job is done.
You may pay more for a Toyota to start with but in the long run it will less costly to operate over the cost of ownership.

 

[IslandTractor]

Toyota has a recall on all rusted frame from 1995 to current. If you are the original owner they will replace the frame for free. When a bed rust out from the floor. The problem happens when heavy loads or rough objects are drag across the bed. This removes the paint to expose the bare metal and the rust starts. Over the years if neglect to the paint and metal the bed will rust out and is not under the recall. We see this a lot on mansion contractor with cement blocks in the bed. Toyota is one of the best car and truck company's out there. If you had a 2000 Dodge with body rust see if they will warranty it. Toyota will fix there truck and give you a car to use until the job is done. You may pay more for a Toyota to start with but in the long run it will less costly to operate over the cost of ownership.

My neighbor bought a used ?2003 Tundra. It had frame rust and bed rust (primarily around the bolts that hold it to the frame, not grime scratches). He took it to the local Toyota dealer and they replaced the frame and associated parts for free. They also advised him that if he purchased new shocks that they would install them for free. They did not offer to replace the bed. Bottom line is that they essentially rebuilt the critical elements of the truck for free even though it was a two owner twelve year old truck. I don't see ANY other car company doing that sort of thing.

 

[crashz]

A friend had the same experience with a 2001 Tacoma. Frame had a little hole on the passenger side rail. Toyota replaced the frame and while there, offered to install new parts for the cost of the parts. For about $3,000 they essentially rebuilt the truck. Mechanically, it was like new. All new bushings, shocks, ball joints, etc. Even did the clutch.

That's customer service that leads the pack. Toyota did everyone a favor by raising the bar.

 

[IslandTractor]

A friend had the same experience with a 2001 Tacoma. Frame had a little hole on the passenger side rail. Toyota replaced the frame and while there, offered to install new parts for the cost of the parts. For about $3,000 they essentially rebuilt the truck. Mechanically, it was like new. All new bushings, shocks, ball joints, etc. Even did the clutch.

That's customer service that leads the pack. Toyota did everyone a favor by raising the bar.

Yes, that is essentially what my neighbor got including new brake lines as I recall. Even better, the guys at the dealership let him go out and source his own new shocks which he got from a discount autopart store and saved himself another hundred or so compared to the OEM part. Amazing flexibility and pro customer service. It may seem crazy but I'd say Toyota is crazy like a fox. I for one would immediately give the edge to a used Toyota product based on this type of experience and if others behave similarly then used Toys will hold even more of their value which allows Toyota to charge more for the new product. Somebody at Toyota is thinking long term rather than quarterly profit.

 

[GManBart]

My neighbor bought a used ?2003 Tundra. It had frame rust and bed rust (primarily around the bolts that hold it to the frame, not grime scratches). He took it to the local Toyota dealer and they replaced the frame and associated parts for free. They also advised him that if he purchased new shocks that they would install them for free. They did not offer to replace the bed. Bottom line is that they essentially rebuilt the critical elements of the truck for free even though it was a two owner twelve year old truck. I don't see ANY other car company doing that sort of thing.

That's pretty amazing! Glad I bought a Tundra

 

[oldpilgrim]

Imagine what's involved in replacing a frame. !!!!!

 

[breadtrk]

Since by all accounts it looks like Toyota is making things right by replacing mounts and beds...... Id say that if far better than you will ever get from the other manufacturers.

Not a yota owner, rust bucket old chevy guy (x4) here, but will mention that Toyota didn't need bail out money. I'm about as American as they come but when the off shore guys do the right things because it is the right thing, I no longer think.... "What was that guy thinking" when I see a Tundra or Titan hauling stuff anymore.

I'm in line for the first dually Toyota makes. Just sayin.

 

[CanuckPT]

Just got my 2006 Tacoma Double Cab back Saturday after Toyota replaced the frame, leaf springs & brake lines. My exhaust was shot so I only paid for parts, they picked up the labor as they already had it apart. I can't say enough about how well Toyota stands behind their products.

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[GManBart]

Since by all accounts it looks like Toyota is making things right by replacing mounts and beds...... Id say that if far better than you will ever get from the other manufacturers.

Not a yota owner, rust bucket old chevy guy (x4) here, but will mention that Toyota didn't need bail out money. I'm about as American as they come but when the off shore guys do the right things because it is the right thing, I no longer think.... "What was that guy thinking" when I see a Tundra or Titan hauling stuff anymore.

I'm in line for the first dually Toyota makes. Just sayin.

I sure wish Toyota was an American company, but the way I saw it, I was helping keep jobs at the assembly plant in Indiana (mine was made before Tundra production switched to Texas).

The 2016 Tundra diesel looks very interesting, and if they ever made a true HD truck, or dually, I'd be all over it!

 

[JKR]

The 2016 Tundra diesel looks very interesting, and if they ever made a true HD truck, or dually, I'd be all over it![/QUOTE]

The 2016 diesel is not coming. The tier4 emission certification cost to much for the amount of diesel they project to sell.
Toyota working on it.

 

[JKR]

Imagine what's involved in replacing a frame. !!!!!

Toyota pays us 40 hours of labor to do the job. We have 3 mechanic that are certified do the work.
You would be surprised how fast they can take the frame off. Putting it back together well that's a story in it's self.

 

[IslandTractor]

The 2016 diesel is not coming. The tier4 emission certification cost to much for the amount of diesel they project to sell. Toyota working on it.

I've always thought it was a shame and poor marketing that prevented Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi from importing their brilliant small diesel pickups to the U.S. I work a lot in developing countries where these trucks are all purpose vehicles and supremely reliable. Of course they won't match a V8 or even V6 on a freeway entrance ramp but they are simple and as reliable as an anvil.

I'm sure there were some regulatory hurdles even before Tier 4 but I'm equally sure there would have been a solid market for such a vehicle amongst the folks who value efficiency and reliability highly. If Subaru can sell under powered vehicles based on reliability and utility then surely that shows not everyone is looking only zoom zoom features and 0-60 times when shopping for a new vehicle. Had those trucks been imported or built here over the past forty years, it would have done a lot to increase public awareness and acceptance of diesels in both small utility trucks and also in passenger vehicles.

Trying to introduce them now, during the bleeding edge period of clean diesel requirements and technology, is fraught with hazards. We'll see what pans out but I am sure it would be an easier row to hoe today had we (they) not ignored small diesels in this market for decades.

 

[jlgurr]

That's pretty amazing! Glad I bought a Tundra

Traded my Tacoma for a Tundra in 2000. Never looked back and pushing 281,000 miles this morning. Fortunate to be one of the trucks that did not require rust remediation.

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[GManBart]

The 2016 diesel is not coming. The tier4 emission certification cost to much for the amount of diesel they project to sell.
Toyota working on it.

Street vehicles don't follow Tier IV emissions rules. The engine announced is a Cummins that Nissan has also announced they're using, and it already passes the LEV III emissions regulations.

At the Detroit auto show Toyota did announce they aren't going to offer a diesel Tacoma, but didn't say anything about the Tundra. If it was no longer in the works it would make sense they would have addressed it at the same time.

The bigger problem is the new emissions regulations that will go into effect after 2020, and all of the manufacturers are evaluating whether a diesel option will be cost-effective for light trucks since they would have to add emissions equipment similar to large trucks. In other words, Nissan and Toyota have to figure they would only be able to sell the diesel option for five model years...which is probably why they've said they're sourcing the engine from Cummins rather than spend development money on their own design.

 

[dodge man]

Here is a couple of pics of the truck in question.