Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals

/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #41  
In 1978 California voters passed Proposition 13 which limited property taxes. The property is assessed at the sales price for the property and can only be increased by 2% per year. If you bought your house in say 1979, that is your assessed value plus the 2% per year increase. It stays locked. Nice huh?
Well if you had three percent inflation in both prices and your income or better then you would make out. But if they falsely jack up the value of your home( Community reinvestment act) then two percent of a false number is a rip off.
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #42  
The median price for homes in 1978 vs today in an increase of right at 500%. I believe that the 2% per year increase in taxes over 35 years is one heck of a bargain.
 
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/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #44  
In 1978 California voters passed Proposition 13 which limited property taxes. The property is assessed at the sales price for the property and can only be increased by 2% per year. If you bought your house in say 1979, that is your assessed value plus the 2% per year increase. It stays locked. Nice huh?

No, I'd say that is a very bad unsustainable poorly thought out Proposition. NYS recently passed a 2% tax cap, but it was just a political game. If the town's existing costs go up 10% (say fuel/energy) in one year, how do they handle the 2% property tax? You might say, they make cuts elsewhere. Here our county (2nd highest taxes in the nation) sends us a listing of the cost of all state unfunded mandates when they send the tax bill. The tax income is completely spoken for. It's illegal for them to make cuts.
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #45  
We purchased our current home through what Zillow calls a "Make Me Move" listing. The sellers did not have an agent and the home was not on the MLS.

We worked with a couple of Realtors over the course of our most recent home search. We had very specific wants and looked on and off for a couple years.

We never seriously looked at a house that a realtor found for us. Anytime a realtor took us to a home, it wouldn't meet at least a couple of our criteria. I'm really disillusioned by the real-estate process. I feel like more open access to the MLS system and some clever third-party entrepreneurs could really turn the system around. Photographers to handle the pictures, a service to handle the showings, and someone to fill out the paperwork shouldn't cost 7%.

I worked with a realtor when I purchased my previous home. Like you, I had a detailed list of criteria. I had looked for a year, and this realtor found the property in only two weeks. It wasn't an easy transaction, as there were IRS leans against the house, and the property was distressed, but he worked with me to come up with a realistic offer that reflected the home's condition and that was still well below market value. He handled issues with the seller, arranged for title search, and eventually closed the deal. Clear and responsive communication between he and I at every step was key to making this happen.

When I sold that home in '10, the same realtor helped me set a price that was slightly below market which actually caused a bidding war in what was supposed to be a buyer's market. As a result the selling price was far enough above market value to pay for his commission. I was no longer living in the same area at the time, and he handled all of the pre-sale details, including arranging for a final cleaning before the open houses. This realtor always returned phone calls within a half day, usually within a few minutes, if he didn't just answer the phone after a ring or two. He also answered emails with clear and concise information.

I searched for a new home in '12 & '13, and had bad experiences with both the new realtors I worked with. I pre-screened each house against my criteria prior to arranging to see the home with the realtor, but I, not the realtor, found the homes as we were both working off the same MLS listings. I was disappointed that there were so few homes on the market, and that the realtors didn't have access to some "secret squirrel" list of homes that weren't on the MLS. I was never called with a "fresh" listing that hadn't come through their agency before it hit the MLS. I had trouble with the inspection and repair services they recommended, and found many inaccuracies in their information when I did my due diligence.

I never really appreciated how good that first realtor was until the trials and tribulations over the '12-'13 time frame. Those realtors were really bad, and failed in many of the same ways that are warned about in the latest (March '15) issue of Consumer Reports. Some of that was probably due to the market, some due to the area, but I put most of the blame on the realtors (I switched mid way to try to find someone better).

Maybe things have changed drastically in '14 and '15, but not once did I find any listings in Zillow that were helpful. But the real point I'm making here is that there is a lot more to a real estate transaction than taking pictures, publishing a listing, and filling out paperwork.

Perhaps we've wandered so far off the Assessed Value subject of this thread that another covering this topic should be started?
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #46  
In 1978 California voters passed Proposition 13 which limited property taxes. The property is assessed at the sales price for the property and can only be increased by 2% per year. If you bought your house in say 1979, that is your assessed value plus the 2% per year increase. It stays locked. Nice huh?

Yes... it is and one of the few areas the taxpayers of California had some predictability...

However, voter approved special assessments are on top of Prop 13 1% statewide rate... in my city the rate is close to 1.7%... so the voters here have been very generous. I have made appeals and won when the assessor said my purchase price was below market... always fishing these guys.

Now, Washington State is where my problems are... 80% tax increase over the price I paid 18 months prior... what a shock and not much I could do about it since it was all based on an outlandish price someone paid for a parcel in the area... he even went bankrupt later... after the damage was done... so now I pay $13k a year there...
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #47  
That's not how it worked when I purchased this home in CA in '10. The assessed price was what ever the assessor felt it was worth. I had to appeal the assessment to get it down to the actual selling price. Now they're increasing the value each year, but have stayed under the 2% limit so far.

Seems like there are attempts to repeal Prop 13 every year, and I'm happy that they've been unsuccessful. I don't see how people on a fixed income can hang onto their homes in a rising property tax environment.

That's because Prop 13 uses the "Fair Market Value" at the time of transfer... which may or may not be the sales price and assessors are notorious for dismissing any "Distress" sale...

I've had to go around and around on purchases too... thankfully I prevailed... even had multiple visits one year... the assessor said the property was low because it needed work... I agreed and said I will let you know when I do the work and they kept checking back... still have the Formica counters and Lino floors from 1958
 
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Just an update. I've filled out the "protest form" and prepared an attachment with three recent comparable sales (one is the property directly behind mine). I have an appointment scheduled for Tuesday evening to present my case. I have to deliver four copies of the form and supporting documentation by the end of the week.
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #51  
QUOTE=vtsnowedin;4063566]I think you are playing with some bogus numbers there. The median home in1970 was $65,00 and it rose to $119,600 in 2000, a rise of 83 percent not 500
https://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/census/historic/values.html[/QUOTE]

My numbers are based upon California house values. Based upon the attached chart, values in 1978 were about $75,000 and in 2004 they were $450,000, that's more than 500%.

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/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #52  
My parents paid $27,000 for their house in CA in 1971 and sold it for $540,000 in 1998 after my dad retired. They where in Hayward, which is across the bay and just south of SF. Houses in better areas sold for a lot more!!!

Eddie
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #53  
OK you guys are talking about California. :eek:I thought you were talking about the country as a whole. Now lets see how you can raise taxes when you have proposition 13 fixing them to a fixed percentage of the properties value. Why simple just inflate the value of every house by 500%. 1.5% times 500% equals 7.5%:shocked:
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #54  
OK you guys are talking about California. :eek:I thought you were talking about the country as a whole. Now lets see how you can raise taxes when you have proposition 13 fixing them to a fixed percentage of the properties value. Why simple just inflate the value of every house by 500%. 1.5% times 500% equals 7.5%:shocked:

That's not what Prop 13 does. Prop 13 forbids them from raising the assessed value of a house by more than a fixed percentage (I think it's 1.5%) unless it's been sold. So people who are relative newcomers are subsidizing the long term homeowners, because the newcomers pay taxes at market value while the long time homeowners pay taxes at greatly reduced value.
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #55  
That's not what Prop 13 does. Prop 13 forbids them from raising the assessed value of a house by more than a fixed percentage (I think it's 1.5%) unless it's been sold. So people who are relative newcomers are subsidizing the long term homeowners, because the newcomers pay taxes at market value while the long time homeowners pay taxes at greatly reduced value.
What about if you do an addition or renovation ? And 1.5% each and every year adds up in a hurry.
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #56  
What about if you do an addition or renovation ? And 1.5% each and every year adds up in a hurry.

That was an interesting question so I went and looked and found this:

Will a Remodel Increase My Property Taxes? « Burgin Construction Inc.

From that source:

New Construction is Taxable – Typical Maintenance & Repairs Are Not!

New construction is taxable, but does not trigger a reassessment of the entire property.
Only the market value of new constructions is added to the existing Proposition 13 value.
New construction is subject to a one-time supplemental assessment.
Maintenance or replacement of existing items is not taxable.

Examples of Taxable New Construction:

New buildings or significant enhancements that change the size, condition or usability of a property.
New additions to real property including room additions, swimming pools, spas, patio covers, central heating/air conditioning, fireplaces, decks, fences or flatwork.

Examples of NON-Taxable Maintenance or Replacement:

Maintenance or replacement of existing improvements including roofs, garage doors, kitchen cabinets, counters, bathroom fixtures, heating/air conditioning units, flatwork or fences
Certain types of new construction are specifically excluded from assessment. These may include alterations to make a building more accessible to, or more usable by, a disabled person; active solar energy systems; seismic rehabilitation or retrofitting or a fire sprinkler or detection system.
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #57  
That's not what Prop 13 does. Prop 13 forbids them from raising the assessed value of a house by more than a fixed percentage (I think it's 1.5%) unless it's been sold. So people who are relative newcomers are subsidizing the long term homeowners, because the newcomers pay taxes at market value while the long time homeowners pay taxes at greatly reduced value.

Not true... I bought in 2003 and paid 598k for my 1725 square feett 1958 home...

Three doors up the home sold in 2009 for 380k and was 2400 square feet and built in 1978...

No one is subsidizing anyone... Prop 13 is based on Fair Market Value at time of transfer... nothing more or less...

So the newcomers in the neighborhood bought a 30% larger home that was 20 years newer and pay $6000 and I pay $9500... kind of shoots the theory of the newcomers subsidizing those that got there first.

Prop 13 also provides for a annual 2% inflation cap... plus voter approved assessments above and beyond.

As anyone knows... Real Estate is cyclical and prices do drop... sometimes 50% of more...
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #58  
Appeals take 2 years from submittal in the proper form until the hearing date plus an appeal fee must be paid as well as all taxes in full...

The Assessor has said there is no benefit to expedite and made sure any refunds were held as long as permitted by law.
 
/ Taxable/Assessed Value Appeals #59  
Not true... I bought in 2003 and paid 598k for my 1725 square feett 1958 home...

Three doors up the home sold in 2009 for 380k and was 2400 square feet and built in 1978...

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You got screwed!
 
 
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