To Yield or Not

[TomSeller]

You yield to her since at that point you are merging into her lane.

 

[Garandman]

More than half the people I've polled here at work agree that it's odd and a few who live nearby have stated it's an area with high frequency of accidents. Go figure. The other oddity is that from "her" direction there is no indication whatsoever that the left turn has the right of way to that person who is approaching and turning right.

Nope, not at all.

She is already on the road because she has completed her turn. You have a yield sign to clarify that you are joining the traffic stream of "her" road as you are still turning.

 

[Egon]

No ramps or interstates in this case. The horizontal traffic is a two lane road and the vertical is simply a two lane road to a shopping mall.

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The Lady must have tore a few big strips off!

 

[jlgurr]

The Lady must have tore a few big strips off!

Not sure that means. sorry.

 

[Egon]

It's all about getting put down by the perceived weaker gender. That is hard for manly men to accept.

 

[jlgurr]

It's all about getting put down by the perceived weaker gender. That is hard for manly men to accept.

Ok, that makes sense. yes, I'll need to admit I don't much care for anyone cursing me and especially when they are in the wrong. In the beginning I did back down and allowed her argument there was a yield sign. Frankly it bothered me that I had missed the sign but thankfully it wasn't even there to begin with.

Hopefully she goes back and realizes there is no sign so that the next time she pulls in front of someone they don't cream her like could have easily happened in this situation. I still find it amazing that she just assumed a vehicle twice the size of hers was going to stop (yield). I don't care if the transfer truck doesn't have a right of way, if he is heading in my direction I am getting out of the way.

 

[Egon]

Yup, manly men are never wrong.

 

[Country Geek]

The lack of a yield sign does not vindicate you. As others have said, you are still merging into her lane and she had the right of way.

 

[jlgurr]

The lack of a yield sign does not vindicate you. As others have said, you are still merging into her lane and she had the right of way.

Really? I've tried to find clarification of this on the NC DMV site. Have not been able to prove either way yet. Maybe someone here is able to do that. It's just a simple intersection, nothing more nothing less. If a sincle car length is long enough to constitute being in a "lane" then there are bunch of people out here not yielding to left hand turning drivers.

This probably doesn't even warrant further discussion since it seems to be going nowhere but back and forth. Sorry to have wasted y'alls time.

 

[Country Geek]

Look at this one. Assume North is up. Do you think that traffic that's coming southbound and turning right to go west on the other road, should yield to traffic that's turned left onto the same road from the northbound direction of the main road?

 

[k0ua]

You yield. At that point you are no longer turning right, you are merging left into a traffic lane, which she is already in.

This is how our state looks at it. It seems about 25 years or so ago is when this kinda changed. As an example on the down ramp to enter an interstate yield signs went up many years ago for people merging right onto the ramp to yield to the left turners also wanting to go down the ramp. In the old days the guy turning right had the right of way as there was no sign and the left turner be darned. But this was changed, and it probably helps traffic flow that the person turning left has the right of way now as the right turner is merging now into their traffic flow as stated above.

So long story short, your photo all looks to be in order here.

 

[k0ua]

Forget stop signs... how about traffic circles? Seen a few times people IN the circle stop to let others in. Combine that with a traffic light a block way which backs up into the circle... and you have a mess.

We have several of these "roundabouts" here in Branson now. it can get interesting at times.:laughing:

 

[jlgurr]

Look at this one. Assume North is up. Do you think that traffic that's coming southbound and turning right to go west on the other road, should yield to traffic that's turned left onto the same road from the northbound direction of the main road?

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I believe that is exactly what everyone thinks my intersection is. It's clear the southbound would yield because he is nearly westbound when the other driver meets him at the merge point. Because this is light controlled there is also little risk of another southbound car proceeding straight through. You see where your distance between the turn and the merge is like five car lengths and the merger from the north is already nearing a parallel line with the westbound lane? In my case there is barely one car length of distance from intersection and merge. That doesn't leave enough reaction time and both vehicles are in full turn.

Further, once your south bound driver is in the curve he is committed to the merge, he can't get out of it. Therefore there is no risk to the one making a left turn that the southbound driver might change his mind and proceed straight.

There is one of your examples a few blocks from my intersection and it works fine because drivers expect it to work that way. Merge occurs when cars are nearly in same axis of travel. In my case our vehicles were not and at the least were 90° to each other. That's not a merge, at least not a natural one.

 

[teg]

Have you looked at your photo from the first post, how is the yellow TRIANGLE in there and you get 90° You see the white line in front of the cars trying to turn, THAT's the start of her road. Sorry, that's how I see it.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Don't think the driver from the right turning right, has the right of way even without a yield sign, because of how the lane splits out before the intersection. they are entering into the road to the right. Would drivers leaving the shopping center turning right have the right of way over cars going straight from right to left? No they don't, with or without a yield sign.

with that said, If I'm the driver from the left turning left, and a car was turning right from the right, I would time my left turn to try to avoid a conflict, in case the driver turning right didn't yield.

 

[turnkey4099]

Well, think about a standard intersection -- if drivers coming from the opposite direction are turning to the same side street, the one making the right turn has the right of way and the person making the left turn (across the other lane) is supposed to yield to the right turner. Nobody has signs in that case -- it's just common rules of the road that say the person turning right has the right of way over the person turning left. I think that aspect of it was was the OP found perplexing, and I agree to some extent.

Your example is correcst for a plain cross or T intersection, not where there is a 'merge ramp' as in his diagram.

Harry K

 

[aczlan]

Further, once your south bound driver is in the curve he is committed to the merge, he can't get out of it. Therefore there is no risk to the one making a left turn that the southbound driver might change his mind and proceed straight.

As is the case with the right turn into the mall that you posted the picture of. The writing on the road says right turn only and you cannot (legally) leave that lane once you get past the start of the yellow lines.
As for yielding, IF there wasn't the yellow triangle at the right turn lane (ie: if it ended like the left turn lane does) cars turning left would have to yield to cars turning right, but being as there is the yellow triangle there, you must yield to those making left turns.
Here is an example of an intersection without the yellow triangle painted on the road, a driver in lane B who is making a left turn into lane C must yield to a driver in lane A UNLESS the driver in lane B has a green arrow:

Here is another version of your intersection, because of the yellow triangle (I think its called the gore), the driver in lane A who is making a right turn into lane C must yield to any traffic coming from lane B:

The reason is that due to the triangle the intersection is seen (by law) as being the same as the one posted by Country Geek in that, the driver in lane A who is making a right turn into lane C must yield to any traffic coming from lane B:


Aaron Z

 

[turnkey4099]

I believe that is exactly what everyone thinks my intersection is. It's clear the southbound would yield because he is nearly westbound when the other driver meets him at the merge point. Because this is light controlled there is also little risk of another southbound car proceeding straight through. You see where your distance between the turn and the merge is like five car lengths and the merger from the north is already nearing a parallel line with the westbound lane? In my case there is barely one car length of distance from intersection and merge. That doesn't leave enough reaction time and both vehicles are in full turn.

Further, once your south bound driver is in the curve he is committed to the merge, he can't get out of it. Therefore there is no risk to the one making a left turn that the southbound driver might change his mind and proceed straight.

There is one of your examples a few blocks from my intersection and it works fine because drivers expect it to work that way. Merge occurs when cars are nearly in same axis of travel. In my case our vehicles were not and at the least were 90° to each other. That's not a merge, at least not a natural one.

Nice try but even in your intersection the left turning driver _is_ already parallel with the lane by the time he gets to the merge point, you aren't.

Harry K

Harry K

 

[GolfAddict]

Well, I agreed with the lady when jlgurr had a yield sign. Then I agreed with jlgurr when it turned out he didn't.

Now I agree with the lady again since the paint has been pointed out that makes it a merge into her existing lane.

Sorry jl!

 

[jlgurr]

UNCLE. All y'all can't be wrong. I humbly cede my stance. Thank you everyone for your responses and constructive criticism. :thumbsup:

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