UFO's... What do you think?

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   / UFO's... What do you think? #301  
But without aggression and war, would we all not be picking berries and sitting around a campfire singing kum ba yah? The drive to survive is interwoven with aggression and protection. It has been a prime mover in the growth of knowledge and technology.

I'm not defending aggression, in fact I am more interested in defending myself and family *from* aggression. It's interesting that the technology and knowledge to do both is basically the same.

My favorite military saying is "The best offense is a good defense".

And you are right, without aggression we would not have progressed as far. That was my point earlier.

For those that think this is all there is, nothing "special" waiting for them. You should be the most aggressive about finding a way to escape this planet. In the timeline of the Universe, we can't stay here much longer.
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #302  
Oh, garsh darn, JB, you hadn't oughta gone and said that. That ain't necessarily so. Uncle Burford seen three, and he wasn't even out of rehab yet.

Uncle Buford told me he thought they looked like floating beer cans......when they shot at em.....they peed and high tailed it out of there!
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #303  
Like Seattle were the first reports came from. HS

Lot of inbreds up there....would believe a word any one of them says....couple of them even came from Oglesby, Texas!:laughing:
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #305  
I'm having a little difficulty figuring out just what the crux of the argument is in this thread; it seems to me that the answer lies in the nature of mankind...and what is that nature? Man is a unique animal as animals go; he is first a primate that abandoned an arboreal life for a terrestrial existence. He brought with him stereoscopic color vision and a hand designed for grasping. Somewhere in his terrestrial evolution he became an obligate biped...meaning that his walks on two legs and that is the way he motivates. He is also known as the "Naked Ape"; being almost hairless...a condition, coupled with his bipedal movement that enables him to run down and kill wild animals that are much faster than him, but without his stamina...and to keep cool while doing it.

His arms and shoulders are designed to a couple of things well...throw objects such as rocks and spears, and wield a club. These abilities come in handy for a hunter. He is also unique among primates in that his and her ****** characteristics are exaggerated to one purpose...to make *** pleasurable beyond the need for reproduction...to bind the man and woman to their mutual benefit for survival and long enough to raise their children. This bespeaks a social purpose...living in a tribal setting, families need stability...*** and bonding provide this. Man as an individual is very vulnerable. A million years ago he could not survive as a loner; he is designed physically and mentally as a social animal...he needs someone to guard his back. He could not stand alone against a cave bear, but put 20 or 30 men with spears together and you have a formidable opponent.

Another aspect of his existence is his speech. Why would an animal need speech? Mankind as a complex social animal...as opposed to a loner...developed speech as a survival tool ...speech is a valuable communication tool for individuals who have evolved to exist and function in a tribal setting.

Let's look at man's hands. They are uniquely articulate...designed...you guessed it...for making and shaping objects; way beyond what it takes to get a pomegranate to his mouth. In a social setting, this unique hand is used to shape...invent...objects for hunting, cooking, etc. etc. The sky's the limit. Another thing...Why does mankind have such a weak jaw and teeth? Because he has evolved eating cooked food and his socialization allowed him to lose the powerful jaws of an ape or Chimpanzee...not to mention evolve an extraordinarily large brain that requires a tremendous amount of energy (provided by eating cooked meat of course). This brain, oddly enough, is blessed with an inordinate curiosity and inventiveness that exists independently of warfare.

So what do we have? A animal that is designed by nature to live in a social setting in order to survive. He walks upright, is nearly hairless and hunts animals for food, which he cooks, creates and uses tools and weapons, is very sexy, bonds to his mate, communicates fluently to other members of his tribe, who he also depends on for his existence. Oh, did I mention that he is territorial? He tends to defend his territory and even take over the territory of weaker tribes...his hunting and toolmaking skills come in very handy in the case of tribal warfare...which probably happened frequently. They did stop to interbreed occasionally tough.

Ah, religion. There seems to be a mounting body of evidence that says that mankind began to gather and live in one place because that place had a religious significance...the beginning of cities, a sedentary horticultural and farming existence...domestication of grains, animals and the birth of the plow and draft animal...agricultural if you will. Of course, it is always easier sometimes to raid the neighbor's grain bins and carry them home if you are of sufficient strength, or even absorb your neighbor.

Bottom line...mankind is a product of millions of years of evolution, and we are still the basic physiological animal that we were a million years ago. Our cultural advances have dressed us up in a Brooks Brother's suit, but we still have the skills and instincts of a hunter in animal skins running down a gazelle on the plains of Africa. Man's potential is only limited by his culture, his intellect and the physical universe. Oh, BTW, this is all my personal observation and conclusions, so don't cite any of this on an Anthropology exam. :)

Very well said.......only comment.....sure hope some of the Texas folks can catch up with some of that evolutionary stuff.......time will tell!
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #306  
Very well said.......only comment.....sure hope some of the Texas folks can catch up with some of that evolutionary stuff.......time will tell!

I know that at least some Texicans...as well as Okies...don't have much of a problem accepting evolution along with their faith. It's more difficult, however, if you accept only a literal interpretation of the bible.
 
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   / UFO's... What do you think? #308  
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   / UFO's... What do you think? #311  
This is my all time favorite cartoon series. Watterson is a genius. I also miss Walt Kelley's "Pogo" and Al Capp's Li'l Abner.
Gotta add Larson's 'The Far Side'
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #312  
There have been skirmishes in the NATO sphere, but nothing remotely approaching WWI & II within the LHC's lifetime.

When you begin with a premise of war as a given, then this becomes something akin to a self-perpetuating, self-fulfilling prophesy situation. Since a huge amount of resources (out of a limited number available) are put into preparing for, executing and dealing with the follow-on results of war, obviously some of the technological gains will be re-purposed for other secondary goals--because war-related is where the needed resources are to be found.

It's also obviously true that those same resources and more (modern warfare is not a profit making endeavor and much of the resources consumed are useless for anything but war) could have been committed to a primary goal other than war.

You can see how easy it is to say that war is a major technological driver--and that will always be true by necessity--until we give peace a chance. It is a case of creating our own truth and not being able to comprehend anything different than our own creation. Imagine 2000 years of more peace than war.

Its just a sad fact that the greatest advances in technology have always come from war. There hasn't been peace on this planet since the first people. All societies have been at war for pretty much eternity. And all societies will remain at war for pretty much eternity. Why? Because just like every other animal species in nature, man competes with man for the right to pass on his genes. Its just that simple.
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #315  
Its just a sad fact that the greatest advances in technology have always come from war. There hasn't been peace on this planet since the first people. All societies have been at war for pretty much eternity. And all societies will remain at war for pretty much eternity. Why? Because just like every other animal species in nature, man competes with man for the right to pass on his genes. Its just that simple.

For example? And how do you measure the utility of that greatness?

No, it isn't that simple. Look at who is passing on the most genes now. It certainly isn't the smartest, most successful, advanced, and holding the most resources cohort of our species.

I don't think we can get to the stars without an enormous allocation of resources and cooperative efforts. I don't think we can direct and focus those resources without transcending our basic biological drives.

We have the ability to self-evaluate our own thought processes, instincts and actions; meta-thought if you will. We can ask ourselves why we would or wouldn't take some particular action and we can reasonably predict the outcomes. Therefore we have the means to transcend our basic natures.
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #316  
For example? And how do you measure the utility of that greatness?

No, it isn't that simple. Look at who is passing on the most genes now. It certainly isn't the smartest, most successful, advanced, and holding the most resources cohort of our species.

I don't think we can get to the stars without an enormous allocation of resources and cooperative efforts. I don't think we can direct and focus those resources without transcending our basic biological drives.

We have the ability to self-evaluate our own thought processes, instincts and actions; meta-thought if you will. We can ask ourselves why we would or wouldn't take some particular action and we can reasonably predict the outcomes. Therefore we have the means to transcend our basic natures.

Who's passing on the most genes now?? The Chinese and the Indians. And they are smarter than us, work harder than us, are starting to consume more resources than us, and will eventually take over as the dominant societies for a time, just as England did before we did. We (human kind) do not have the means to transcend our basic natures, which is survival of the fittest, not cooperation with the "smartest".

As much as I'd like to see global cooperation of mankind, it will never happen, and, by nature, will never happen. Its a grim fact.
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #317  
As much as I'd like to see global cooperation of mankind, it will never happen, and, by nature, will never happen. Its a grim fact.

Count your blessings. Although cooperative mankind could accomplish much, it would most likely result in evil. I give you the Tower of Babel as an example. If you define "cooperative" as some form of global government, that would most assuredly yield tyranny beyond your imagination. I've always said - In a One World government there is nowhere to run.
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #318  
Well, for now it's just man and some lights in the sky. Not one piece of evidence the other way. Enjoy the lights. HS

Radar data is not just lights in the sky... Japan air 1628
 
   / UFO's... What do you think? #319  
Quote Originally Posted by MossRoad View Post
As much as I'd like to see global cooperation of mankind, it will never happen, and, by nature, will never happen. Its a grim fact.


Not grim. Cooperation breeds lethargy, competition accelerates progress. In my mind anyway.
 
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Sure...First let me say I have no formal education particle physics etc...This is all just my own opinion/theory on how both science and religion/spirituality could be compatible... ...have you've done any reading on the "string theory"? That is...understanding that all things are actually made up of (extremely) tiny strings of energy...Below is a common quote to offer an insight into just how small these strings are...compared to a single atom... Also, one has to understand that all mass is/has energy...but energy can also have no mass...take light photons for example...so my theory is that there are "other things" that can also exist (as energy) without mass (elements)...from mental thoughts to our souls etc....etc...etc... ...to expand my own theory a bit...I think properties may exist that allow different forms of (mass-less) energy to collect or attract cohesively...with enough energy to possibly produce physically appearing things like auras, ghosts etc...(ever heard of the "power of positive thinking?) To further expand my theory...if there are other "special" types of mass-less energy I think there can be "very special" types of energy...take souls for example...I think it could be possible that "soul energy" has the ability to procreate either to the positive or the negative... I don't want to take my off the wall theory any further here as I am continually trying to make both science and spirituality mesh...for my own self... I have been an amateur student of the string theory since its concept was introduced to the masses and the more I learn about it the more it helps me think "there is an answer"... here is the quote about energy strings...: NOVA | A Sense of Scale: String Theory

Thank you for sharing. Very very interesting!
 
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