UFO's... What do you think?

[ovrszd]

ZING, thank you very much for information and pictures. A person has to stop and contemplate all that information to comprehend it in the slightest little bit. I've read things of this nature, but never had it explained in a way that I could grasp. Thanks again. Good stuff.

Here's a stretch. I sometimes wonder when the time comes that we can analyze our universe to the point that we can see and understand Heaven will Earth still be needed?? I live by the philosophy that we are here to accomplish a list of things. When that list is complete we will be gone.

Good discussion folks. Lot of good input.

 

[PapaPerk]

Incredibly, a grain of sand overestimates our size. While the spacecraft Voyager was on its way out of our solar system, NASA was requested to expend some precious energy to turn the craft around and take a picture looking back. A picture of us. Then it sent the picture back to Earth. This is the picture, famously known as the pale blue dot shows the Earth from about 6 billion Kms away. The pinkish line on the right, just over halfway down you can see a speck of white. That is us viewed from the edge of our solar system.

Now think about the fact that our solar system is just a small part of the Milky Way galaxy. In the Hubble shot of the Milky Way, we would be comparable to one of the smaller white dots along the outer edge. Obviously we have no pictures of us from out there, but that is what our sun and solar system would look like from there.

Now think about our galaxy being one of uncounted numbers of galaxies. When the Hubble was pointed at a small piece of sky (comparable to the size of a dime viewed from 75 feet away) and held there long enough for far away object to come into view, this is the view it got. Keep in mind these are the galaxies visible from only a tiny portion of the night sky, if we could see that far.

With that perspective, calling us a grain of sand is a huge exagerration! It also makes it perfectly clear to me, that if we screw up this planet, there is no one that will be coming to help us.

This is a fantastic post! Great explanation sir!

It really makes you wonder what contains space? Is it truly infinite?!

 

[CobyRupert]

This is a good video representation of the scale of earth to the known universe.

 

[PapaPerk]

This is a good video representation of the scale of earth to the known universe.

YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIbfYsQfNWs

Excellent video! What's always amazed me is the size of the stars! Just mind blowing! It's very hard to comprehend it all. Makes you wonder what's outside the observable universe!

 

[houstonscott]

This is a good video representation of the scale of earth to the known universe. YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIbfYsQfNWs

Makes me wonder just how much is true and accurate, how much could be totally wrong. HS

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Makes me wonder just how much is true and accurate, how much could be totally wrong. HS

"There is a theory that Earth and sun and galaxy and all the known universes are only a dust mote on some policeman's uniform in some gigantic super-world. Couldn't we be under some super-microscope, right now?"

"Wolf 359" The Outer Limits, ca. 1964

 

[riptides]

"There is a theory that Earth and sun and galaxy and all the known universes are only a dust mote on some policeman's uniform in some gigantic super-world. Couldn't we be under some super-microscope, right now?"

"Wolf 359" The Outer Limits, ca. 1964

.....or the "marble" games with the aliens at the end of MIB.

 

[ovrszd]

Makes me wonder just how much is true and accurate, how much could be totally wrong. HS

Hmmmm. To prove it wrong wouldn't you have to know "true and accurate"?

 

[dave1949]

I try to refrain from constructing "placeholders" for what is yet unknown, or somewhat known but not yet understood. Developing, proposing, adopting, followed by polishing, enhancing and even enforcing ideas that have no verifiable and repeatable factual basis is ultimately useless and sometimes dangerous.

Knowledge placeholders are substitutes for actual knowledge. Why humans feel a compulsion to create, defend or even force their own particular placeholder constructs on others is a fascinating topic. The construct of the placeholders themselves--not so much. They tend to not vary in concept by any significant amount when looked at as a whole over the course of human history. The specific details and the various embellishments of the concept implementation are all that really separates them from one another.

Most of the placeholders address two worries: how and why are we here, why does such and such happen? There is a fair amount of combining those two worries into unified constructs. Oddly enough, placeholders are not often constructed around why certain things do not and have never occurred, even though the knowledge to explain their absence is as equally missing as the knowledge for unexplained observed events that do occur.

 

[ovrszd]

Sometimes our unique distinction, having the power of reason, really complicates things doesn't it.

My two shop dogs are laying by the wood stove napping. Not a care in the World about all this.

 

[dmccarty]

Angles in the heavens, created by mankind.

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A few weeks ago I was driving home, as was the wife, and I would guess we were 20-40 miles apart. To our south, there was a plane doing a perfect turn in the sky and leaving a wonderful contrail. She could see it as could I which surprised me. The plane flew over some low clouds so we could not see if the plane did a 360 degree turn. It was really cool looking and I have never seen a plane that high do a turn like that before.

Some wing nuts in my county believe contrails are poisons being sprayed by the evil chemical companies. :shocked: I ain't kidding either.

Later,
Dan

 

[dave1949]

Sometimes our unique distinction, having the power of reason, really complicates things doesn't it.

My two shop dogs are laying by the wood stove napping. Not a care in the World about all this.

Many animals exhibit the ability, however limited, to reason. Maybe we are unique in our ability to imagine, to synthesize? On the other hand, when your dog is gripping and shaking (killing) a stuffed toy, he may be imagining he has a rabbit. :laughing:

 

[catfishdaddyengineering]

My thoughts are two-fold. I am a Christian, and I believe in the Creator. Everywhere we look there is balance and symmetry that points to creation. Are there anomalies? Of course. Our DNA is also degrading from the time of Creation, and that is why we are having more diseases and problems. Having said that, I HAVE to believe that if God created us, he could have created others. Will they look like us? No, because other planets have different gravities, gas compositions, etc. This leads to my second thought. If you do not believe in the Creation, but in full Evolution all the way from slimy ooze, you HAVE to believe that this could also take place on another planet. The creatures would evolve differently because of what I mentioned above. But you absolutely must believe that it can take place.

We have not even fully explored each and every corner of the Earth and especially the ocean depths, but new species are found daily. How much broader is the universe?

 

[ovrszd]

Many animals exhibit the ability, however limited, to reason. Maybe we are unique in our ability to imagine, to synthesize? On the other hand, when your dog is gripping and shaking (killing) a stuffed toy, he may be imagining he has a rabbit. :laughing:

Yeah, I struggled with that power to reason thing most of my life. I watched many animals display what I thought was reason. But when you complicate the scenario they begin to show their limitations.

For example my youngest dog loves to hunt, kill, eat rabbits. Took him into his second Summer of rabbit hunting to reason that you must inflict inhibiting injuries to the rabbit BEFORE you release it from your grip. Many a rabbit escaped while he learned that.

 

[ovrszd]

This leads to my second thought. If you do not believe in the Creation, but in full Evolution all the way from slimy ooze, you HAVE to believe that this could also take place on another planet. The creatures would evolve differently because of what I mentioned above. But you absolutely must believe that it can take place.

Great point. So all who believe in Evolution as the sole means of life MUST believe in Aliens. No argument around that. Great point.

 

[dave1949]

catfishdaddyengineering:
This leads to my second thought. If you do not believe in the Creation, but in full Evolution all the way from slimy ooze, you HAVE to believe that this could also take place on another planet. The creatures would evolve differently because of what I mentioned above. But you absolutely must believe that it can take place.

Great point. So all who believe in Evolution as the sole means of life MUST believe in Aliens. No argument around that. Great point.

Can and must are two different things.

I can theorize that alien life likely exists while accepting that I don't know. Advancing that to must exist is more like expressing a belief since it fails to take into account what evidence exists, or not.

 

[ovrszd]

True Dave. In discussions like this one must be extremely careful in the choice of words. Because words are all we have as evidence.

 

[dave1949]

True Dave. In discussions like this one must be extremely careful in the choice of words. Because words are all we have as evidence.

I confess to being a nitpicker. :laughing:

Some hard UFO evidence would certainly change the discussion. Can you mount a FEL on that thing? Diesel or proton?

 

[bcp]

Can you mount a FEL on that thing? Diesel or proton?

If it has a tractor beam, it may not matter how the implement physically mounts.

Bruce

 

[dave1949]

If it has a tractor beam, it may not matter how the implement physically mounts.

Bruce