Plow build

[chuck172]

I'll be putting together a snowplow on my Kioti ck35 soon. I know this has been discussed before, but I still can't decide between a frame mount or the SSQA using the loader arms.
Many have said that the loader arms weren't designed for this type of stress, and a frame mount setup would be much stronger.
The quick attach plate mount would be much easier and convenient.
Anyone?

 

[bobmisi]

I have a quick attach 7 foot by Horst Welding on my Branson 3820i and have been using it for 8 years with no problems, and we have had some big storms with heavy wet snow. I have had absolutely no problems and the benefit is you can push snow into a pile as high as your loader arms will reach. For me that means snow piles 10-12 feet high, so I don't run out of room to put snow. Just don't ram it into frozen snow or rocks and you'll be fine.

 

[Thomas]

I mount plow frame inside my bucket,pull 2 pins frees plow for bucket use.

Go slow try not to hit hard objects,rocks,trees,frozen snow banks,mailbox post.

 

[LD1]

A loader mount allows you to stack snow higher.

The stresses while plowing arent any more than using the loader and digging into a pile with just a corner of a bucket. OR digging and catching a rock or root with just one corner.

A loader mount will tend to want to push the tractor sideways more when angled though, due to greater leverage cause it sticks out there more.

 

[chopped]

Ive had it all. I hade a 7 foot fisher mounted deep inside the bucket. It worked but sure made the tractor long. So the next year I had it mounted to the QA Plate. and that was much better. but still a tad long for me. and heavy. So this year I have the mount on the tractor frame. and will have the bucket off and use the loader frame to raise and lower it. I still get about 4 feet of uplift so i dont think that will be bad.
So try to stay close to the front of the tractor whatever you do.

 

[chuck172]

I've been using an 8' western uni-mount plow on an old f-250. The truck is rotting out and I wonder if I could use that plow setup on my Kioti ck35. Is 8' too long? I'd rather not cut it down as the truck is still usable.
I can fab up a frame mount on the tractor, and just move the plow setup from the truck to the tractor. Should I use what I got or keep looking for a cheap 7' plow with the angle cylinders?

 

[skyhook]

I've been using an 8' western uni-mount plow on an old f-250. The truck is rotting out and I wonder if I could use that plow setup on my Kioti ck35. Is 8' too long? I'd rather not cut it down as the truck is still usable.
I can fab up a frame mount on the tractor, and just move the plow setup from the truck to the tractor. Should I use what I got or keep looking for a cheap 7' plow with the angle cylinders?

Your machine should be able to handle an 8 foot, "if" your rear's are loaded.

 

[skyhook]

chuck, i just noticed your other thread on 'chains", and it seems your tires are loaded,
I also noticed you said you had 19.5 inch rear's,
your tractor calls for 24" rears, and that is what I based my assumption on in my above post.

 

[chuck172]

Rear tires are 15-19.5 Just went out to check.
I know the 8' western proplow is heavy, I'll fill a 55 gallon drum with cement for rear ballast.
So to recap, 8' plow, 15-19.5 R4 tires filled with rimguard, with ladder chains.
Now, if that will work I need to figure out how best to mount the western plow.

 

[OZisKTB]

How do you weight balance with the blade on the front? With my loader and bucket I need filled tires, 2 wheel weights each tire, and 1100lbs on 3pt for safe operation.

With a snow blade on the front and the loader in the barn, do I drop the 3pt weight?

Of course heavier is better, but with my ups and downs in the snow, don't want to be out of balance?

Thanks in advance, just trying out theory that's been explained to me. Depending upon TBN for the experience.

 

[chuck172]

If I frame mount the snowplow, I don't think the snowplow could be too heavy. Adding about 750 lbs of ballast to the 3point, loaded tires with chains would be about the best I could do to prevent swinging the tractor when angling the plow.
I know 8' of plow vs. 7' would increase the leverage of the tractor to side swing.

 

[skyhook]

On "my" L4200, I've used an 8 footer, frame mounted and had no problems whatsoever with
swing of the tractor.
But I also have 28" rear's, loaded, but no chains, although I do have chains, if I ever needed them.
As you've already learned here, weight is the key ( if your machine can handle it),
I really can't speculate on this with your 19.5 rears,
I'm pretty confident with 24's, you would have had no problem.
I can also say that, on my previous tractor, a 25 hp L2550 with 20" rears (I believe) loaded,
I did have a "bucket mounted" plow ( 7 footer) with no problems of swing either.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

I have an L3400 with a frame mounted plow and I wouldn't have it any other way. R-4's are not the best in snow but I put v-bar 2 link chains on the front tires and I can push the plow anywhere I want to go. I have been using it for 5 years this way. Uphill can be tricky though. I have no problems on the flat or downhill but sometimes I have a lack traction on packed snow going uphill. Power has never been an issue with an 8 footer. If the banks get to be a problem, I switch to the loader and break them up. I disagree whole heartedly with the gents who bucket mount or quick attach mount their blades. An 8 foot blade 2 foot out in front of your loader arms can be a lot more stress than digging with the bucket I believe. These small tractors were never designed to run an 8 foot bucket so why in the world would it be just as safe to run an 8 foot plow off the loader arms even farther than the bucket sticks out? Leverage is a wonderful tool but it can be a bear if your not careful. My driveway is not in the best shape and frozen banks are common. Catching a corner on the plow and having a chained up tractor doesn't leave any good options for what is going to fail. Just my 2 cents.

 

[chuck172]

I agree with a frame mounted plow vs. Loader arm mount. Especially with an 8 foot blade. Mounting using the ssqa is just so convenient that it's hard to pass by.
How are you raising the plow Redneck? Did you add a cylinder to the frame mount?

 

[arrow]

I think an 8 ft plow on your tractor will handle a 6 or 7" snow storm if it's dry and fluffy. 7 or 8" wet will almost stop you dead. For an all around plow, 66"-72" is what I'd consider maximum for this size tractor if I wanted to plow any storm coming my way without having to go out in the middle of the storm. The pic is of a 27" storm I plowed out with my old tractor. It would go 30' before it stopped and this was with a 54" bucket. Without chains all around, I'd be stopped much sooner. Weight is everything. As you see this one, it came in a bit over 3000 lbs with loaded rears and the rear blade. Your Kioti will push more but within reason if everything is sized correctly to it's traction and push capabilities. Hope this begins to help you correlate.

 

[nybirdman]

I have had both,frame mount on a L3130 and a FEL mounted(SSQA) on my L4240.I much prefer the FEL mounted version.I can stack snow nine feet high and if needed have the bucket on in minutes.You will need all the rear weight you can handle with either.I run a seven ft. rear blade also and have loaded R1's.

 

[RedNeckRacin]

I agree with a frame mounted plow vs. Loader arm mount. Especially with an 8 foot blade. Mounting using the ssqa is just so convenient that it's hard to pass by.
How are you raising the plow Redneck? Did you add a cylinder to the frame mount?

Chuck,

I built a 2" receiver tube that bolts onto the sub-frame. I can then slide in my lifting arm to raise and lower the plow. With that set-up, I leave the sub-frame on, pull the 5/8" standard hitch pin, take the "Mast/lifting arm" off and can hook the loader back up in minutes. The plow uses the loader hydraulic block so pop four hoses and pull three pins and its all disconnected. Drive over to the loader, plug in 4 hoses, plug the two loader pins in, and raises the loader to store the feet and i'm back in business. That FEL mounted business is asking for trouble IMO.

 

[chuck172]

My Kioti with the loaded tires, and 750 pds. of ballast should come in at about 4,500 pounds. Thats 310# of rimguard per tire. Where were you lacking arrow, hp or weight?

 

[tcreeley]

Last year I didn't bother putting my 7' snow plow on my bucket. I just used the bucket. I actually found it faster because I had fewer passes to make. With the plow (straight mount) snow would creep out the edges and I would come back again to clean that up. With the bucket it is compressed in as I go- less need for clean up passes. And it is easier to put the snow where I want to, as high as I want to. I'll do this until I get bored and try something else!

 

[arrow]

My Kioti with the loaded tires, and 750 pds. of ballast should come in at about 4,500 pounds. Thats 310# of rimguard per tire. Where were you lacking arrow, hp or weight?

Limitations were associated to weight. Never ran out of hp before I lost traction even at a whopping 19hp the tractor had. 1500lbs yours has over my JD is an enormous difference but tractive ability to utilize all that weight is your current knoggin knocker such as you may discover you'll need chains to take full advantage of your weight. You'll learn more thru experience and if you had to, you could always cut down the plow. You also may be of the mind to go out several times to knock down your stuff whereas unless we were getting a 3 footer, I wouldn't consider it. In the end, it's all kind of a good time.