Dam scoop DIY plans

[anthemx1]

My name is Danie and I'm a Game Farmer from South Africa. I enjoy the forum and learn a lot. Has anyone have ever attempted to build a Dam scoop or have any plans to build one. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[anthemx1]

Oh my Tracktor is a Ford 4110. A 1m3 bucket I think would be the right size

 

[deerseeker001]

Welcome from Wisconsin

 

[CNC Dan]

I haven't heard of a dam scoop before. Can you decribe it?

 

[wsc9tt]

Type it into google and click images. They are like a pull type scraper for moving material.

 

[R W]

Have almost completed converting one from what was originally a "Gaston" 4 wheel lever operated horse drawn scoop to 2 wheeled hydraulic scoop.
Used front stub axles hubs etc from a wrecked 744D Massey tractor, fitted re treaded 750x16 tyres.
Constructed an A frame to mount an 18x3 hydraulic ram.
Built an adjustable tractor hitch and converted the foot operated dump control to rope operation.
A home built scoop based on this design was featured in ads for Lincoln Welders in the late 1950s, It was used to construct tanks/dams up to 6000 cu yrds. A McCormick W30 tractor was used to
haul it.
Have the basic plans for this scoop and did intend to build it from scratch but was fortunate enough to find an old Gaston Scoop that still had a good
bowl (1 cuyrd approx.) and frame.

 

[jwmorris]

Pull Scraper is another name for them, I have lots of photos of them all different sizes. Intended to build one but noticed one out in a field one day and contacted the farmer to see if he wanted to sell it. It was a little bigger than I would have built (2.5 yards) but the best $300 I spent that day.

 

[texasjohn]

Lots of pictures here
pull scraper - Yahoo Image Search Results

I ran a scraper for a while to enlarge a dirt tank, 5 yards if I could get a full load. I learned that the bigger tow vehicle you can have, the better. Traction is the key, thus a tracked vehicle is good. Transport of the spoil is a big time consumer...need to drop it some place close by.

Unless you are set up to build such a piece of equipment, I would think that trying to find one would make sense...but then you are in South Africa...may not be an option.

 

[CNC Dan]

Type it into google and click images. They are like a pull type scraper for moving material.

I see now. I know it as a dirt pan,scraper, or pull scraper.

 

[Xfaxman]

My name is Danie and I'm a Game Farmer from South Africa. I enjoy the forum and learn a lot. Has anyone have ever attempted to build a Dam scoop or have any plans to build one. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

:welcome: to TractorByNet! :thumbsup:

This is what my Grandfather used.


This is what I used in the past.


This is what I use now, a one cubic yard bucket and a Dumper.

 

[R W]

RE Reply #10.
What do you use for a ripper?
From what I can make out from the pictures you are cleaning out an existing dam which appears very shallow. Most dams I have constructed if 1000cu/yrds or over are at least
10ft deep or deeper. Measurements for a 1000 cu/yrd dam are 90x70ft top, 30x10ft floor, 10ft deep, batter slope 1 in 3.
There was no way these dams could have been built by conventional methods without the use of a good ripper, the possible exception may have been a self elevating scraper.

 

[Xfaxman]

RE Reply #10.
What do you use for a ripper?
From what I can make out from the pictures you are cleaning out an existing dam which appears very shallow. Most dams I have constructed if 1000cu/yrds or over are at least
10ft deep or deeper. Measurements for a 1000 cu/yrd dam are 90x70ft top, 30x10ft floor, 10ft deep, batter slope 1 in 3.
There was no way these dams could have been built by conventional methods without the use of a good ripper, the possible exception may have been a self elevating scraper.

Don't use a ripper, just the teeth on the 6' wide bucket.

The V417 is 6' wide, 6.5' high and 13' long. Tire size is 14x17.5. Top speed is 15.5 mph, drawbar pull is 7,000 pounds and it will lift over 5,000 pounds!

I angle the the bucket down slightly to pull down as it moves forward and give the tires more traction. In the pictures you can see the teeth marks in the red clay. Look between the tires in the first picture and beside the machine in the second.

This area was never excavated as part of the flood control pond. I have the drain valve open and am removing dirt to fill some low spots by the barn.

Here is what the V417 and the toothed bucket will do in sandrock.

Hard to tell from the picture, but it is about 3 feet deep.

 

[smiley]

I'm most impressed with that Bobcat. Never thought they were capable of digging like that.
I loved working with the big scrapers on short haul projects like landfills, dams and road cut/fills, because you can dig and build your fill with the same machine. But, my thought on your project is that even as good as that Bobcat digs and loads, an excavator and couple dump trucks would move dirt a lot faster than a small scraper. Of course if you're working alone, I can see where a small scraper might be a better choice than running back and forth between machines.
Good luck with our build.

 

[R W]

Can't see dump trucks being utilized successfully unless you have a large tip area or have a dozer to form the bank or level off the dump.
What are you actually referring to in regard to a small scraper. (tractor hauled, self elevating, etc)

 

[smiley]

Can't see dump trucks being utilized successfully unless you have a large tip area or have a dozer to form the bank or level off the dump.
What are you actually referring to in regard to a small scraper. (tractor hauled, self elevating, etc)

As you said you would need a machine to level or large fill/waste area.
Did you ever check out these links? http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/build-yourself/78952-building-small-pull-pan-type-9.html -- http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/build-yourself/25191-homemade-dirt-pan.html
In the US you can usually find an old pull types reasonable and I believe I saw one with teeth on the cutting edge like your Bobcat. They do require a lot of traction and power I think I saw 40 hp per yard someplace. Usually were pulled by a crawler. Your Bobcat would probably handle a small one if the ground is scarified.

 

[R W]

40 HP or better per cu/yrd for a wheel tractor sounds about right, I have used a 60HP Inter on a 1.5 cu/yrd scoop and wouldn't have wanted any less HP.
Once past easy digging material a ripper should be used first if any sort of production is to be maintained.

 

[jwmorris]

Mine has a smooth blade and works fine in sand and red clay.



Hoelscher Commercial Products - DB Scraper

Has a "frose bit" that is between rippers and a solid.

 

[R W]

Have almost completed converting what was originally a "Gaston" 4 wheel lever operated horse drawn scoop to a 2 wheeled tractor drawn hydraulic scoop.

.[/QUOTE} Have completed it, tried it out yesterday and it works well.
Hope to get someone to post pictures.

 

[Xfaxman]

Have almost completed converting what was originally a "Gaston" 4 wheel lever operated horse drawn scoop to a 2 wheeled tractor drawn hydraulic scoop.

.[/QUOTE} Have completed it, tried it out yesterday and it works well.
Hope to get someone to post pictures.

:thumbsup:

Hope to see the pictures.

 

[Renze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taOBqLWZN6M