Orange tractor 45 HP comparison

[Possi]

I know there is another thread on the Kioti and Kubota comparison so hopefully this posting isn't overkill. Since I am asking about two different model comparisons, I didn't want to hijack the other thread on the Kioti and Kubota comparison. I was in the midst of buying a used but fairly new Kubota L4400 (4wd with Loader) with less than 100 hours, until my friend told me to look at the Kioti. The Kubota is for sale at 22k. My friend said I can get a brand new Kioti or Mahindra for the same price or slightly less. I think, looking at the Kioti's website, a close comparison is the DK45 or NX4510. Not sure what the prices are but I don't live too far from a Kioti dealer. I guess I am asking if I should go ahead and buy a tractor with a reputable name like kubota or buy a Korean tractor I never heard of? No knock on the Koreans but is Kioti an established tractor name? I mean, have people been buying these tractors 10 years ago or are most Kioti owners on this forum owners of a newer kioti model which has not been tested for the longevity? Also, given the same price of each tractor, are they both the same in performance and reliability? Does one tractor out perform the other? Is there a big advantage in buying one over the other? Thanks!

 

[Monster5601]

Daedong Industrial (founded in 1947) is the parent company of Kioti which produced its first tractors in 1968. Daedong expanded into the US market with the Kioti brand in 1993. There is a Kioti section here where you can browse and see what folks think of the Kioti brand. My take is they have established a solid reputation offering an excellent product line equaling Kubota's reputation. Kioti's web site offers a detailed overview of their history.

Given your scenario, I would take a serious look at Kioti if for no other reason, buying new gives you a warranty.

 

[Citydude]

If I had it to do over again, I would have at least took the time to check into a Kioti. I bought a used Kubota L3400 that I'm satisfied with however in retrospect, I could have gotten more tractor with the same money.

 

[Gittyup]

Kioti tractors are good. What separates Kubota from Kioti is dealer network (reputation too, of course). Kubota has far more dealers. Kioti is growing and seem to be committed to the U.S. market. Many Kioti's (Daedongs) are also sold rebadged by Bobcat and McCormick. In general, you can get way more tractor for less money with Kioti. For some applications (mower intensives uses), Kiotis may not be the best choice due to it being such a heavy tractor (leading to compaction). The weight of a Kioti and its hydraulic flow are what caused me to buy one. I wanted a digging machine, and weight is king for digging. Flow rate, means faster cycle times for backhoes and the like that use fluid for motion. I also liked the heavy weight of the front axle: much heavier than most other brands. And I know of at least one Kubota owner (L4620 I think) that has to rebuild his front end every year (presumably due to loader work mucking horse stables). You won't be making a mistake if you buy a Kioti. The DK40 or DK45 is probably their best product too.

 

[TSO]

I know there is another thread on the Kioti and Kubota comparison so hopefully this posting isn't overkill. Since I am asking about two different model comparisons, I didn't want to hijack the other thread on the Kioti and Kubota comparison. I was in the midst of buying a used but fairly new Kubota L4400 (4wd with Loader) with less than 100 hours, until my friend told me to look at the Kioti. The Kubota is for sale at 22k. My friend said I can get a brand new Kioti or Mahindra for the same price or slightly less. I think, looking at the Kioti's website, a close comparison is the DK45 or NX4510. Not sure what the prices are but I don't live too far from a Kioti dealer. I guess I am asking if I should go ahead and buy a tractor with a reputable name like kubota or buy a Korean tractor I never heard of? No knock on the Koreans but is Kioti an established tractor name? I mean, have people been buying these tractors 10 years ago or are most Kioti owners on this forum owners of a newer kioti model which has not been tested for the longevity? Also, given the same price of each tractor, are they both the same in performance and reliability? Does one tractor out perform the other? Is there a big advantage in buying one over the other? Thanks!

Is the L4400 a shuttle or HST? That's a very fair price, especially if it's HST. A Kioti DK45SE would compete power wise, and probably has a few more features and a stronger loader. A new DK45SE HST sells around here for around $23k.

If you're looking at shuttle shift, you can also look at the DS 4510... Same power specs as the DK, same loader, a few less features and no hydro option, but it will also be a couple thousand less than the DK.

Both orange tractors are good ones, but the Kioti is known to be a better value.

 

[TripleR]

Pretty much what everyone else said, Kioti's biggest problem in my area is the dealer network. My brother had to go out of state to get the model/price he wanted in Kioti. He has the truck and trailer to transport as well as mechanical ability to keep it out of the dealer's garage unless it's a warranty thing in which case he just hauls it over.

I "think" Kioti is right about where Kubota was several years ago which is keeping the price down. When I bought my first Kubota in 2003 they were really reasonably priced and few people around here ever heard of them. When I bought my last they were less "reasonably priced and several people around me have gone from Deere to Kubota; some like us have both.

Kioti and Kubota both make good tractors; can't say with anyauthority one make is "better" than another though some models are between and within brands.

LS and Mahindra are also priced pretty good and while I have no personal experience with them seem like good quality machines, I would look at all of them before buying and spend as much time driving them as possible.

Good luck.

 

[k0ua]

Kubota's are good machines, and Kioti's are good machines. I have a Kioti now and have owned 2 Kubota's. the L4400 is an "economy" model or as Kubota calls it a "standard" model. The DK40 and DK45 are deluxe machines with many more features. Of course they would come with a 4 year warranty. As other's have pointed out, you are not going to go wrong buying either one, but there is no reason to fear the Kioti. I have owned mine for a little over 2 years and have over 230 hours on it, and it is a real workhorse. Just look the tractors over, and decide on the level of features you want on things like telescoping lower links and stabilizers, draft control on the 3pt, rear remote hydraulic connections, rear 3pt control (Kioti exclusive) twin touch hst pedals vs treadle pedal, tilt steering, electric/hydraulic PTO and 4wd controls. Also of course the loader specs and 3pt specs are quite a bit better on the Kioti as is front axle size. Its your choice and your money.. I know which way I would be looking.

 

[LD1]

Pretty much what others have said.

Right now, it is the lack of dealers and lack of "time" in the US that is holding kioti back. But they are gaining ground.

The Kubota L4400 is a basic machine, and is a high HP lightweight. Meaning it is about 800-900 lighter than other mid 40hp tractors. Which means its loader is also not gonna lift as much.

A really good comparision to the DK40/DK45se is the Kubota L4240 and 4740. They spec out nearly identical. But with the kubota you are going to pay more for reasons mentioned above.

IF I were shopping today, I too would be giving kioti, mahindra, and LS a good hard look. I ended up with a kubota cause when I purchased 8 years ago, there were only deere, kubota, and CNH dealers within a distance that I wanted to drive.

They are all good machines. And you have many good options. So the tractor you want/like is out there. Just gotta find it.

 

[k0ua]

Pretty much what others have said.

Right now, it is the lack of dealers and lack of "time" in the US that is holding kioti back. But they are gaining ground.

The Kubota L4400 is a basic machine, and is a high HP lightweight. Meaning it is about 800-900 lighter than other mid 40hp tractors. Which means its loader is also not gonna lift as much.

A really good comparision to the DK40/DK45se is the Kubota L4240 and 4740. They spec out nearly identical. But with the kubota you are going to pay more for reasons mentioned above.

IF I were shopping today, I too would be giving kioti, mahindra, and LS a good hard look. I ended up with a kubota cause when I purchased 8 years ago, there were only deere, kubota, and CNH dealers within a distance that I wanted to drive.

They are all good machines. And you have many good options. So the tractor you want/like is out there. Just gotta find it.

LD1, the good news is when you get ready to trade up to the Kioti, you will be able to keep and use your spray paint!:laughing:

 

[LD1]

What is funny is, I dont even have any kubota orange paint:laughing:

All the paint I use for touch-up, implements, etc. Is old AC orange

 

[k0ua]

What is funny is, I dont even have any kubota orange paint:laughing:

All the paint I use for touch-up, implements, etc. Is old AC orange

I don't either in the orange color, I have been using the VanSickle Kubota II orange. I do have the Kubota dark charcoal, and it is a really good match for the Kioti underparts also.

 

[murphy1244]

I don't either in the orange color, I have been using the VanSickle Kubota II orange. I do have the Kubota dark charcoal, and it is a really good match for the Kioti underparts also.

Just paint every thing Green!

 

[Possi]

Is the L4400 a shuttle or HST? That's a very fair price, especially if it's HST. A Kioti DK45SE would compete power wise, and probably has a few more features and a stronger loader. A new DK45SE HST sells around here for around $23k.

If you're looking at shuttle shift, you can also look at the DS 4510... Same power specs as the DK, same loader, a few less features and no hydro option, but it will also be a couple thousand less than the DK.

Both orange tractors are good ones, but the Kioti is known to be a better value.

The Kubota was a HST model. It is a nice tractor, looks almost new. I believe it is 2 years old. Not sure if the tractor warranty will transfer to me - neither do I know what both the orange tractors offer for warranty. I guess I need to compare before I buy. Thanks guys for all the details.

 

[crazyal]

Ask your dealership questions. When I was looking the Kioti dealerships were dealers that had been in business for decades but only carried the Kioti line for a short time then dropped them. When I asked questions they didn't readily have the answers so I was turned off. The current dealer has now carried them for 3 or 4 years, something that adds value to me. Since I'm not planning on replacing my tractor for at least 20 years I haven't stopped in but still feel good about the brand.

One thing, at least around here, is that used Kubotas hold their value.

 

[LD1]

Just paint every thing Green!

Green paint is too espensive:laughing:

Unless you were talking oliver green

 

[GManBart]

Can't really add much that hasn't already been said, but sometimes people forget that Kubot and Daedong teamed up to produce the Kubota "02" series of tractors. Evidently even Kubota felt Daedong was capable of making good stuff (transmissions, bodywork, etc), and the relationship lasted for over ten years.

Short version....Kioti makes good machines.

 

[Gary Fowler]

I think the Kioti and LS warranties are 5 years compared to 2 years on the Kubota. Not sure about Mahindra but it may also be 5 years.

 

[Bluegill2]

Both very good tractors!

My brother in law has a 4400 and loves it, bout 8-9 years old and close to 1000 hrs, no problems at all.

I've run Kubotas' since the early 80s' and they have always done me very well.
Never needed a warranty!

 

[TSO]

I think the Kioti and LS warranties are 5 years compared to 2 years on the Kubota. Not sure about Mahindra but it may also be 5 years.

Bota warranty is 2yr bumper to bumper, 3yr powertrain. That used Bota will have a little warranty left. ;-)

 

[whizdbiz2]

I think the Kioti and LS warranties are 5 years compared to 2 years on the Kubota. Not sure about Mahindra but it may also be 5 years.

Mahindra is 5 yr. also. I think someone beat me to it, but Kioti did make some tractors for Kubota at one time, that's where the orange came from (or so I'm told). Daedong made the engine in my Mahindra eMax 22.