GM in deep with this Ignition Switch Issue

[Bota4me]

And another thing- it cost toyota a ****. Of a lot more $$ to step up to the plate on frames compared to a 50 cent ignition switch...

 

[94BULLITT]

Is GM headed for more trouble?

https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/rusted--broken-brake-lines-in-gm-pickups-demonstrate-the-twilight-zones-of-auto-safety-203750980.html

I believe that are more affected models than the trucks. Rusted brake lines have been a problem on GM's since the mid 90's.

 

[MikePA]

I believe that are more affected models than the trucks. Rusted brake lines have been a problem on GM's since the mid 90's.

Mid 90's? My 1991 had rusted brake lines and rusted fuel lines. I just had to replace the line from the master cylinder on my 2004. Summit sells a stainless steel kit for $300.

 

[94BULLITT]

Mid 90's? My 1991 had rusted brake lines and rusted fuel lines. I just had to replace the line from the master cylinder on my 2004. Summit sells a stainless steel kit for $300.

How many years did it take the brake lines to rust up of the 91? I know of some mid 90's GM's that had rusted brake lines when the were 4 or 5 years old.

 

[Diamondpilot]

How many years did it take the brake lines to rust up of the 91? I know of some mid 90's GM's that had rusted brake lines when the were 4 or 5 years old.

About 7 years was average around here before you started replacing stuff.

Chris

 

[Patches]

And another thing- it cost toyota a ****. Of a lot more $$ to step up to the plate on frames compared to a 50 cent ignition switch...

And Toyota has been fined 1.2 BILLION for their non-existent issue; even NASA engineers could not find an issue with any of the electronics/ engine control modules. I'm wondering what GM will be fined for this 10+ year issue

 

[ruffdog]

Some will yell at the tops of their voices about Solyndra, but what about Ford? Solyndra got 535 million while Ford got 5.9 BILLION. It was out of the SAME DOE program for clean energy. So, if it was wrong giving Solyndra money, it must have been bad giving Ford money? It came out of the same pot!
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https://lpo.energy.gov/our-projects/

 

[Steve_Miller]

My two cents worth says that once the warranty runs out you're on your own. It's a judgement call on someones part who is to blame whether it be the manufacturer, supplier, designer, accountant, the vehicle owner, ..etc. I have an 05 Silverado and the key chain has five keys plus the original remote, is this too many/much weight? Where is the judgement call, an engineer's, a judge's, an accountant's? Should they have put a weight limit on the key chain similar to the tire pressure sticker that's on the door post? Who was going to read the manual to find out or would want a sticker next to the key switch? I sort of like reading everyone's opinion and I have mine too. How comes we can't find a 777 in the Indian Ocean, is this Boeing's fault, Malaysian Airlines fault, Inmarsat's fault, etc. It goes on and on and media will always be supported as long as we have this insatiable love of someone else's grief or loss through the media. Good news stories just don't cut it in media as they don't make the money as do the bad news. It's all about money sadly when it comes down to it for the biggest majority of the population. As long as the judicial system keeps levying large sums of money to people it will continue. Do we have to start engineering parts and pieces and have them put before the judicial system to warrant their life expectancy before using them? Where will it all end, the lawyer's use their trade, judicial system and the media to their advantage. Why wouldn't they, it's there for the taking. There is way more money in an award than there ever will be defending an award. Nobody wins as we will always be the one's paying for both sides of the case.

Steve

 

[PILOON]

About 7 years was average around here before you started replacing stuff.

Chris

Guess some would claim it good for the economy, creating aftermarket jobs.

 

[MikePA]

How many years did it take the brake lines to rust up of the 91? I know of some mid 90's GM's that had rusted brake lines when the were 4 or 5 years old.

Same as Chris, about 7 years.

 

[Whatswrong]

Same as Chris, about 7 years.

I know I'm speaking a different vehicle but my 94 Olds 88 lasted until 2013 before brake lines rusted out ,that is close to 20 years ,I know someone will say my salt is less corrosive
Back on topic of original post there are many factors ,purchasers are paid to keep the cost of production down, these were cheap cars for a reason .How many people don't have the driving skill to pop it in neutral and restart an engine when it dies unexpectedly rather than just panic and crash.

 

[Oaktree]

To blame this on having too many keys on hour key ring is typical gm bull<**#. I could probably go put 30# 's of keys on my tacomas ignition and i guarantee it wont shut down lol!

Is this any worse than Toyota blaming runaway acceleration on non-OEM floor mats?

 

[Mikeeemo]

Is this any worse than Toyota blaming runaway acceleration on non-OEM floor mats?

Toyota was correct on the extra floor mats causing the runaway issue. The mat would wedge the pedal to the floor. The floor of my 2007 Tundra has a cutout under the pedal. The extra mat(s) would fill the gap. To stop the noise, Toyota replaced the pedal with one that is so high in the air you can't feather it.

If you ever see a Tundra 'Jump' from a stop, its a driver inexperienced with the truck.

FWIW: my 1996 Explorer v8 has the same problem, too many mats will wedge the pedal down. Never a peep out of the public. Or the stupid press.

 

[timswi]

I know I'm speaking a different vehicle but my 94 Olds 88 lasted until 2013 before brake lines rusted out ,that is close to 20 years ,I know someone will say my salt is less corrosive .

My '91 Chevy 4x4 never had a line replaced in the 11 years I owned it. My '97 never had a line replaced in the 10 years I owned it..Both had around 200k on them when I traded them.

My '04 had no line issues when I traded it in late 2010.

I am in the heart of salt country, PennDot dumps it everywhere in the winter. I've seen a few, and I mean a few, occrurrances of line rot below the drivers door on some early '00's GM trucks but the vast majority of people I know have not had any issues at all. Could have been a supplier issue for certain runs, who knows but it wasn't even close to every truck.

 

[HikoJoe]

I owned a 2006 Saturn Ion and had the ignition shut off. My wife was driving the car and had a wad of keys on the key ring. I told her to get rid of the unused keys and never had the problem again.

In my opinion, GM should have increased the detent force and changed the part number as soon as they new of the issue. Standard configuration management says the if you change the function of the part the part number changes.

I also think that it is misleading to say the fix would only cost $0.56. For the new parts, yes. However, to do a retrofit would be much more expensive. I'm sure that was the decision GM was faced with.

The issue we all have to come to grip with is how much burden to we want to put on developers of products and how much are we willing to pay for it. We are stifling innovation because lawyers are making us risk adverse.

I also own a Toyota Prius and just received my check for the settlement. No problem was ever found, but to protect their reputation they had to buy off the lawyers and owners. Not a very good system.

 

[crazyal]

It won't shut off but the frame will rot through leaving you truckless beside the salt mine. Seen it many times.

Fred, Toyota... no better than any engineered POS

The problem with the Toyota frames was that they hired DANA corp to build them. DANA screwed up and didn't build them to Toyota's spec. The funny thing is that there are just as many other brand trucks that are just as bad, or even worse than the Toyota frames.

 

[Bota4me]

The problem with the Toyota frames was that they hired DANA corp to build them. DANA screwed up and didn't build them to Toyota's spec. The funny thing is that there are just as many other brand trucks that are just as bad, or even worse than the Toyota frames.

your right alex but toyota is held to such high standards and stepped up to the plate so to speak

 

[crazyal]

As for the extra keys on the key ring, other brands have to deal with the same issue and yet didn't have this problem.

What I want to know is how can the company go through a bankruptcy knowing they have an issue and from what it sounds like our government knew as well without telling the judge about it. It's a liability that had to be disclosed but wasn't. If any one of us lied to a judge we would be thrown in jail yet this is getting no attention. If I was one of the stock holders that got screwed I would sue.

 

[Whatswrong]

I guess to avoid ownership responsibility auto makers could spend millions to R+D a steering column so the key chain hung straight down when in run position, then people would complain that they won't buy that @#$% car because it is too hard to put in lock position and remove the key.

 

[HHR]

My '91 Chevy 4x4 never had a line replaced in the 11 years I owned it. My '97 never had a line replaced in the 10 years I owned it..Both had around 200k on them when I traded them. My '04 had no line issues when I traded it in late 2010. I am in the heart of salt country, PennDot dumps it everywhere in the winter. I've seen a few, and I mean a few, occrurrances of line rot below the drivers door on some early '00's GM trucks but the vast majority of people I know have not had any issues at all. Could have been a supplier issue for certain runs, who knows but it wasn't even close to every truck.

I just saw a 2007+ Chevy with rust over the fenders. Not a good sign.