R3039H Discontinued?

hockeylover86 · Mar 22, 2014

Hello,

I visited an LS dealer north of me who had 2 R3039H tractors in stock.

In coverstation he quoted me $24k for the R3039H and loader....

I know this price is way too high, however is the supply of these getting limited as they change to Tier IV?

batwing · Mar 22, 2014

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Ron

hockeylover86 · Mar 22, 2014

Don't need a tent, have a 5th wheel...lol...

Either way he's not going to make a sale to me verbally pricing the R3039H at $24k and the XR4041H at $30k....

I won't even seriously try to negotiate when he gives those prices as a start..

I was just curious of the R3039H is going away because of Tier IV?

George2615 · Mar 22, 2014

I think that as the Gov't. keeps on tightening the pollution requirements tier 3 tractors won't be made or available here. The only new ones available will be tier 4. As tier 3 's sell off the lots they will be gone but there will be tons of used ones if you can pry them out of the owners hands. I have a tier 4 and so far it's OK but don't have hardly any hours on it yet.

hutchman · Mar 22, 2014

The way I understand it the R Series is being replaced by the U series. I guess once the factory exhausts their stock of R's, there will be no more. At least that's what my dealer told me when I got my used R3039.

Gary Fowler · Mar 22, 2014

hutchman said:
The way I understand it the R Series is being replaced by the U series. I guess once the factory exhausts their stock of R's, there will be no more. At least that's what my dealer told me when I got my used R3039.

I don't think they will do away with the R series just change it to XR. They may not build an XR3039 and just jump to the XR 4041 since they are so close. I am sure they wont jump from a J series to a U series which start at over 50HP. The R (XR new number) will still be made, just some models may be dropped due to TIER IV issues with the engines.

hutchman · Mar 22, 2014

Gary Fowler said:
I don't think they will do away with the R series just change it to XR. They may not build an XR3039 and just jump to the XR 4041 since they are so close. I am sure they wont jump from a J series to a U series which start at over 50HP. The R (XR new number) will still be made, just some models may be dropped due to TIER IV issues with the engines.

Now that you mention it, I remember the context now. When dealer dropped off my tractor, they were going to pick up a used R4047 they bought and that's when he said the R4047 wasn't going to be made anymore and will be replaced by whatever line has the new tier 4 machines.

Sorry for any confusion I may of caused.

Deerherd · Mar 23, 2014

If you go to the global site and look at their lineup I think you can figure out which way they are going. It does say they are available in ROPS models with Tier 4.

Premium Compact Tractor LS XR Series Features | LS Tractor Official Site

I am interested in the new PLUS series that should be replacing the P series tractors. Or maybe they will use a different number, like the one on their Facebook page highlighting a recent photo shoot. None of the current P series tractors are tier 4 compliant, the P7030 has been discontinued and the P7010 isn't available with power shuttle. That leaves just the P7040, a 30 HP jump between power shuttles.

If you go to the global site you can download a catalog on the left hand side of the page that I linked above.

hockeylover86 · Mar 23, 2014

Looking at the global and US sites, it looks like the R is replaced by XR, and the smaller frame size tractor currently R3039 is going to 36hp (XR3037).

Also from 4cyl Mitsu to 3cyl Shibaura (DPF), and a different loader (less lift more break-out)..

Underdog57 · Mar 23, 2014

hutchman said:
Now that you mention it, I remember the context now. When dealer dropped off my tractor, they were going to pick up a used R4047 they bought and that's when he said the R4047 wasn't going to be made anymore and will be replaced by whatever line has the new tier 4 machines.

Sorry for any confusion I may of caused.

Here is an ad for a XR4040H from my local dealer:

LS XR4040H Tractor W/ Loader

TractShackTimmons · Mar 25, 2014

The R3039H is being replaced by the XR3037H. Really its only a 1.5hp less than the 3039. 24K is pretty high with what i sell mine for. The XR series has a ton of diff tractor models. You have an XR3032, XR3037, XR4040, and XR4046. You can get them in a HST or gear drive and also get a cab on them all except the XR3032.

kingrace78 · Mar 25, 2014

I was ready to buy a R4041H or R4049H, but I can not find any in the midwest. I would consider a XR4040H or XR4046 but the cost increase has me looking at orange.

k0ua · Mar 25, 2014

Underdog57 said:
Here is an ad for a XR4040H from my local dealer:

LS XR4040H Tractor W/ Loader

That seems like a lot of tractor for 22910 considering the Tier 4 price increase and all.

cwrighttractors · Mar 26, 2014

Friends,

I am a TYM and LS dealer in Oklahoma City. Indeed the R3039's are no more. I just received an email today (3/26/14) that there are no more of these units at the warehouse. They are replaced by the XR3037 tier 4 model. Basically the R and U models have been replaced by the XR and XU models, X is simply LS's designation for tier 4. On the XR models the horse power ratings have dropped slightly and on the XU models horse power has gone up considerable. Tier 3 U models included a 47 and 55hp. The tier 4 XU models are 55 and 65hp. For the rest of 2014 there may be a few tier 3 tractor around at dealers are thought the country but I would imagine that by June they will all be gone. Different manufactures have taken different strategies with regards to their introduction of tier 4 units. LS has opted to introduce their fastest selling units first in tier 4. This is because manufacturers are allowed to continue to import tier 3 models based off a percentage of tier 4 imports (I do not know the percentage). LS wanted to continue to offer the economy G series and the premium P series as tier 3 as long as possible. Do no quote me on this but I believe we will be able to sell some tier 3 models into 2015 but I believe that by 2016 all tractors above 25hp will be tier 4.

We have sold about a dozen tier 4 units since they have been introduced. The new tier 4 engines LS uses are actually stronger and more durable engines than their tier 3 cousins. The new tier 4 units are more fuel efficient, quieter, and have a much better oiling system. This should lead to a longer life expectancy for these engines. From looking at the retail pricing aspect of tier 4 you can expect to spend about $1000 to $2000 more on current tier 4 models over the tier 3 model. I have not seen pricing for the larger tractors, P series as of yet.

Hope this info helps,
Chris Wright
Wright Tractors
OKC, OK

vwnotrunning · Mar 26, 2014

Thanks for the update Chris.

hockeylover86 · Mar 27, 2014

Yes, thanks for the update.

Now I need to decide if I should grab one of the last ones, or wait for an XR series tractor knowing I will have to deal with DPF regen..

the whispering oaks farm · Mar 29, 2014

I have the XR4046Hc and I haven't noticed any difference on the tier 4, I previously owned a kubota grand L 3430 and was a bit smaller tractor and lighter. I needed the weight and a little more power. I have a little over 300 hours on mine now and not a lick of trouble with the emissions. it burns clean and yes it does burn off the carbon build up but I don't think it affects the economy much at all. I haven't seen a bit of soot or even a wiff of diesel smell so I think that it is a nice, clean powerful engine. If it were giving me any trouble I wouldn't be afraid to vent my gripes.

hockeylover86 said:
Yes, thanks for the update.

Now I need to decide if I should grab one of the last ones, or wait for an XR series tractor knowing I will have to deal with DPF regen..

TSO · Mar 29, 2014

cwrighttractors said:
Friends,

I am a TYM and LS dealer in Oklahoma City. Indeed the R3039's are no more. I just received an email today (3/26/14) that there are no more of these units at the warehouse. They are replaced by the XR3037 tier 4 model. Basically the R and U models have been replaced by the XR and XU models, X is simply LS's designation for tier 4. On the XR models the horse power ratings have dropped slightly and on the XU models horse power has gone up considerable. Tier 3 U models included a 47 and 55hp. The tier 4 XU models are 55 and 65hp. For the rest of 2014 there may be a few tier 3 tractor around at dealers are thought the country but I would imagine that by June they will all be gone. Different manufactures have taken different strategies with regards to their introduction of tier 4 units. LS has opted to introduce their fastest selling units first in tier 4. This is because manufacturers are allowed to continue to import tier 3 models based off a percentage of tier 4 imports (I do not know the percentage). LS wanted to continue to offer the economy G series and the premium P series as tier 3 as long as possible. Do no quote me on this but I believe we will be able to sell some tier 3 models into 2015 but I believe that by 2016 all tractors above 25hp will be tier 4.

We have sold about a dozen tier 4 units since they have been introduced. The new tier 4 engines LS uses are actually stronger and more durable engines than their tier 3 cousins. The new tier 4 units are more fuel efficient, quieter, and have a much better oiling system. This should lead to a longer life expectancy for these engines. From looking at the retail pricing aspect of tier 4 you can expect to spend about $1000 to $2000 more on current tier 4 models over the tier 3 model. I have not seen pricing for the larger tractors, P series as of yet.

Hope this info helps,
Chris Wright
Wright Tractors
OKC, OK

I'm curious, what is the basis for labeling the tier 4 engines as more powerful? For example, the replacements for the R4041/47 -XR4040/46 are smaller and lesser rated powerplants than the Mitsubishi engine that were in those tier 3 models.

George2615 · Mar 29, 2014

TSO said:
I'm curious, what is the basis for labeling the tier 4 engines as more powerful? For example, the replacements for the R4041/47 -XR4040/46 are smaller and lesser rated powerplants than the Mitsubishi engine that were in those tier 3 models.

In the first paragraph He did say the XR series is less powerful. It's only the XU series that gained a little HP.