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[timswi]

I think you made the right call. With the extra price of diesel, the DEF fluid use, and the up charge for the D-Max and Allison, I would have went w the gas burner also. In retrospect, a 14 2500 LTZ D-Max would cost me MORE than I gave for my 06 4500.

The real reason I didn't buy it was the parking garage thing..I knew about the EPA downsides. If I was certain I could park in our open lot every day without a call to downtown, I'd have bought it anyway...It was that nice.

 

[daugen]

I have to say I'm not impressed by the ford V10. I have a 2011 450 box truck 4x4 with the V10 it gets 8mpg empty and 7 loaded. It's underpowered loosing speed in passing gear going up hills in the interstate. It's not had any problems so far and last I checked around 30,000 miles on it. Hopefully it's dependable. Multiple dad had a motor home with the V10 not sure what year but was even less impressed with it than my box truck.

problem is what other choice do we have other than diesel?. My 6.0 suburban gets 11 mpg.
loosing speed on hills is a problem with gas motorhomes, and I suppose trucks in general,
and why folk buy diesel pushers and diesels in general. For usually a great deal more money.
When my warranty is out, on goes the Banks turbo.
My motorhome is only 18K gvw, probably close to your box truck.

 

[Diamondpilot]

We sold our 99 class A motorhome with v10 and banks system last year. We had 3 trips to Texas, averaged about 7.5 driving around 60 pulling our car with plenty of power it was flawless.

My old Co pilot had 2 different V10 Ford Motor Homes. Only issue with either was tires. He used it infrequently and they seemed to be the weak point. 8 mpg empty and 6 pulling a 21' ski boat. He has now settled on a ultra light camper and a Dodge Durango.

Chris

 

[Topkicker]

The real reason I didn't buy it was the parking garage thing..I knew about the EPA downsides. If I was certain I could park in our open lot every day without a call to downtown, I'd have bought it anyway...It was that nice.

They are nice. The ride of the HD's are amazing when we went to the box frame. I'm super interested in the small diesel option Canyon/ Colorado. I love to go off-roading and having the ability to tow 6700lbs makes it even more appealing (my Wrangler is only 3500lbs). I'm already thinking lift kit, off road bumpers, 35's, KC lights, etc.... With the lifestyle change from acreage, ponds, and tractors to a 1/2 acre lot and 4800+ Square ft house, I find a lot of spare time to off-road the Jeep, go to the gun range (went shooting today), and take fishing trips ( had an awesome trout fishing trip in the Ozarks 2 weeks ago). My TV time has doubled. I'm starting to adjust. I think the new GM mid-size crew cab 4x4 will fit my needs to a T. If I need more room or towing power the 13 Suburban will do just fine. Once your wife drives a 15 Yukon, I think her Hummer will be easier to let go of. Can't peel my wife out of the Burb. LOL,

 

[jejeosborne]

They are nice. The ride of the HD's are amazing when we went to the box frame. I'm super interested in the small diesel option Canyon/ Colorado. I love to go off-roading and having the ability to tow 6700lbs makes it even more appealing (my Wrangler is only 3500lbs). I'm already thinking lift kit, off road bumpers, 35's, KC lights, etc.... With the lifestyle change from acreage, ponds, and tractors to a 1/2 acre lot and 4800+ Square ft house, I find a lot of spare time to off-road the Jeep, go to the gun range (went shooting today), and take fishing trips ( had an awesome trout fishing trip in the Ozarks 2 weeks ago). My TV time has doubled. I'm starting to adjust. I think the new GM mid-size crew cab 4x4 will fit my needs to a T. If I need more room or towing power the 13 Suburban will do just fine. Once your wife drives a 15 Yukon, I think her Hummer will be easier to let go of. Can't peel my wife out of the Burb. LOL,

Your right about the jeep being low on the tow rating. Never understood why they didn't put at least the 4.7 liter v8 in it. The smaller Dakota I had towed 7000 lbs. with that engine. I would own an unlimited like yours in a heart beat if they upped that rating. Who wouldn't want a wrangler sitting at the campground?

 

[mikehaugen]

Off-roading suspension is much different than towing suspension... hard to have both. IIRC, both the Powerwagon and raptor have deceased tow ratings. Not to mention the short wheelbase on the wrangler wouldn't be a treat to tow with.

 

[jejeosborne]

Off-roading suspension is much different than towing suspension... hard to have both. IIRC, both the Powerwagon and raptor have deceased tow ratings. Not to mention the short wheelbase on the wrangler wouldn't be a treat to tow with.

Ok, 116 inch wheelbase on the unlimited isn't that short and make one with a road suspension which is where 90 percent of them spend 100 percent of their time. The Wrangler unlimited is not very well suited for off road anyway and most are sold to many demographics who like the Wrangler but not off-roading. Too many wishes? Or have another manufacturer make something to compete with it.

I think the Raptor can tow around 8000 lbs.

 

[Fordman1981]

Ok, 116 inch wheelbase on the unlimited isn't that short and make one with a road suspension which is where 90 percent of them spend 100 percent of their time. The Wrangler unlimited is not very well suited for off road anyway and most are sold to many demographics who like the Wrangler but not off-roading. Too many wishes? Or have another manufacturer make something to compete with it. I think the Raptor can tow around 8000 lbs.

Super cab raptor can tow 6,000 payload 980lbs max.

Super crew raptor 8,000 lbs and payload 1,180lbs max

 

[Fordman1981]

Super cab raptor can tow 6,000 payload 980lbs max. Super crew raptor 8,000 lbs and payload 1,180lbs max

Just So people know since it was mentioned the 2013 power Wagon like mine is rated

Payload 2,398 lbs max towing 13,400 lbs

 

[mikehaugen]

Ok, 116 inch wheelbase on the unlimited isn't that short and make one with a road suspension which is where 90 percent of them spend 100 percent of their time. The Wrangler unlimited is not very well suited for off road anyway and most are sold to many demographics who like the Wrangler but not off-roading. Too many wishes? Or have another manufacturer make something to compete with it.

I think the Raptor can tow around 8000 lbs.

Wasn't thinking about the unlimited.... I agree, it took a lot of the wrangler's off roading advantage away.

Just So people know since it was mentioned the 2013 power Wagon like mine is rated

Payload 2,398 lbs max towing 13,400 lbs

Not saying that's low, but isn't it still less than a similarly configured 2500 Hemi?

 

[Fordman1981]

Wasn't thinking about the unlimited.... I agree, it took a lot of the wrangler's off roading advantage away. Not saying that's low, but isn't it still less than a similarly configured 2500 Hemi?

Not sure but it's plenty for a power wagon if I need to pull more than that I'll fire up my 6.7 CTD. I think there is a couple of things that come into play in the power wagon. One is tires they come from the factory with D rated tires I assume for the ability to deflate the tires for rock crawling. The power wagon rims have a factory beadlock built in. The other is they do have a softer rear leaf spring setup for flexing. These trucks ability to flex/articulate is incredible. But the other components such as the frame is identical to all other 2500's so a set of E rated tires and air bags and it would be every bit as capable as any other 2500.

 

[mikehaugen]

I was in no way downplaying the capabilities, in fact I remember when they were first introduced... I wanted one. But I thought I remember them being somewhat less capable from a towing/hauling standpoint, though still more than adequate for most things. I was just pointing out the trade-offs.

 

[Topkicker]

Ok, 116 inch wheelbase on the unlimited isn't that short and make one with a road suspension which is where 90 percent of them spend 100 percent of their time. The Wrangler unlimited is not very well suited for off road anyway and most are sold to many demographics who like the Wrangler but not off-roading. Too many wishes? Or have another manufacturer make something to compete with it. I think the Raptor can tow around 8000 lbs.

The Unlimited is a great off roader w a few upgrades. The factory Rubicon Unlimited does well stock. With a lift and some taller tires, you can go all kinda places a truck can't go. I have a Rock Krawler lift w Bilstien shocks. Rides great on road and performs like a champ off-road. Pulling.... That's a whole nother story.

 

[jejeosborne]

The Unlimited is a great off roader w a few upgrades. The factory Rubicon Unlimited does well stock. With a lift and some taller tires, you can go all kinda places a truck can't go. I have a Rock Krawler lift w Bilstien shocks. Rides great on road and performs like a champ off-road. Pulling.... That's a whole mother story.

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Yes aftermarket parts are the key. I have a TJ model with a lift kit, big tires, smitty built bumpers and winch, etc which greatly improved it's off road performance. We drive a lot of old strip mines here that are tight with trees, quick slopes, and sharp turns which make the shorter and narrower TJ necessary. Open crawling and trails are fine though for the unlimited as long as you don't get high centered. As you say, definitely better than most trucks. The extra 5 1/2 inch width of the JK model has upset some die hard offroaders but the JK has a better stock suspension.

 

[Diamondpilot]

Your right about the jeep being low on the tow rating. Never understood why they didn't put at least the 4.7 liter v8 in it. The smaller Dakota I had towed 7000 lbs. with that engine. I would own an unlimited like yours in a heart beat if they upped that rating. Who wouldn't want a wrangler sitting at the campground?

You ever towed with a jeep? They are awful with the short wheel base and soft off road tuned suspension. Now maybe some of the newer ones are different but my ex's husband has this one and it's a adventure with a 18' boat behind it.

Jeeps are great for what they do but tow vehicles they are not.

Chris

 

[jejeosborne]

Ok, 116 inch wheelbase on the unlimited isn't that short and make one with a road suspension which is where 90 percent of them spend 100 percent of their time. The Wrangler unlimited is not very well suited for off road anyway and most are sold to many demographics who like the Wrangler but not off-roading. Too many wishes? Or have another manufacturer make something to compete with it.

I think the Raptor can tow around 8000 lbs.

You ever towed with a jeep? They are awful with the short wheel base and soft off road tuned suspension. Now maybe some of the newer ones are different but my ex's husband has this one and it's a adventure with a 18' boat behind it.

Jeeps are great for what they do but tow vehicles they are not.

Chris

Thus the reason for my second post.

 

[mikehaugen]

You ever towed with a jeep? They are awful with the short wheel base and soft off road tuned suspension. Now maybe some of the newer ones are different but my ex's husband has this one and it's a adventure with a 18' boat behind it.

Jeeps are great for what they do but tow vehicles they are not.

Chris

sorry, I had to re-read your post... I thought it said ex-husband. :laughing:

 

[Diamondpilot]

sorry, I had to re-read your post... I thought it said ex-husband. :laughing:

Thats legal in a few states.

Chris

 

[Topkicker]

Just So people know since it was mentioned the 2013 power Wagon like mine is rated Payload 2,398 lbs max towing 13,400 lbs

Those are good #'s for this type truck. It can go over boulders and still pull a big trailer load. Nice.

 

[Code54]

I don't mean this as being disrespectful or hostile but are you sure on that tow rating for the Power wagon? Everything I see on it is around the low 11's. I looked at them when I was getting my 2500 but needed a little higher rating and even back then I was pretty sure it was around 11K.
Either way, they are a GREAT truck and one I really like.