First time tractor buyer

[Soundguy]

. And ~50ish HP for older ag tractors (as they are typically a little heavier).

Either way, you need a full fledged utility tractor. Not a compact IMO.

yep. i've got an old ugly but good runner ford 850. has a chunk of concrete as a counterweight.. 13.6-28 rears filled with fluid, and a heavy 2 post loader with spear inthe bucket. that will lift 1200# bales. I used to use a 850 with a 1-arm laoder.. and was stuk at 900-1000 # bales.

got to have that weight and mass. and a stance you can widen helps too.

 

[smoke56]

I need to loader for moving dirt and manure more than anything, small jobs around the barn. I am not sure what the specs mean when they say this tractor will do 1,600lbs break out and 800 lbs at full extention. I do understand pin placement and how that would make a difference being the weight would be cantilevered out.

At any rate, its no big deal to get a 3 pt hitch spear for the round bales. The bales I have been getting are between 600-700 lbs.

I am new to buying one for myself. With so many used tractors on the market like Craigslist it can be overwhelming trying to figure out what the going price for a certain make and model of tractor and I am appreciative of your suggestions and opinions.

 

[Soundguy]

break out is the force it can apply at ground level tipping a load up.. .. full extention is what weight it can lift to full height.

for instance. i have loaders on antiques that have 3000 breakout.. but only 1200 full lift.

 

[buickanddeere]

Something with live pto, live hydraulics, power steering, good brakes, a rops and local dealer support.
Intended use?
There are a lot of new CUT 4x4 tractors sold as owners would rather make payments for a few years. Instead of paying to repair an old tractor.

 

[sd455dan]

I agree. tractors mentioned too small.

what if the bale is moist and 1200#.. tractor will go into relief trying to lift it.

If he's already looking at 23ys old.. might as well look at an old ford with a loader..

I can't agree more- that is exactly what we used for the first 3 years of moving round bales and still do sometimes, a 3000, 4000,or 5000 or even an 800 series with a factory style or otherquality loader would work well.

Some of the Massey Fergusons would work well to.... Lots of great old tractors to chose from...

 

[toddler]

And out of left field, or rather the far east, comes a post that doesn't even relate to the model being discussed

Smoke,
You're looking at a pretty old tractor, so if you start pushing it to the limit of it's specs, you probably want to budget for some repairs.

Break out force is how much force the loader can exert rolling back the bucket. So you drive it into dirt and then break the bucket out by rolling it back. That has very little to do with lifting a bale of hay. I would hold out for a slightly larger tractor if a slightly larger one will be able to get into the places you need to go.

If you're patient you'll find what you need.
Be safe,
Todd

 

[LD1]

And the breakout/rollback force is usually rated at the pins also, and sometes the cutting edge. Given the location and geometry of the curl.cylinders compared to the lift cylinders, the roll back force diminishes quicker than the lift force forward of the bucket.

 

[Soundguy]

I can't agree more- that is exactly what we used for the first 3 years of moving round bales and still do sometimes, a 3000, 4000,or 5000 or even an 800 series with a factory style or otherquality loader would work well.

Some of the Massey Fergusons would work well to.... Lots of great old tractors to chose from...

yeppers.

heres a couple pics of an 850 i use to move hay. loader is a superior utility duty.. 2nd pic shows a bale spear mounted in the bucket.

http://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/uptest/a31745.jpg

http://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/uptest/a137290.jpg

 

[sd455dan]

yeppers.

heres a couple pics of an 850 i use to move hay. loader is a superior utility duty.. 2nd pic shows a bale spear mounted in the bucket.

http://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/uptest/a31745.jpg

http://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/uptest/a137290.jpg

Nice 850 Soundguy You have a real spear- i have been cheating a little bit using a round add on bucket pallet fork- will get a real spear this next year but it has worked well so far it does take a little extra push to stick the round bale though here's the 3000 after cleaning out the horses run outs and to show the lift capability of the standard ford loaders- 1440 lbs. of concrete being removed from my 1940 international DS 30 International dump truck

Nothing wrong with the kubotas - but to get into one that will lift and carry the round bale weight on the FEL that is the norm- will cost considerably more than one of these older tractors, but they certainly can be found but for more money...

 

[Soundguy]

i'm cheating too. that spear is a bale spear.. but it is a 3pt spear! I made a bracket estup with a chain loop so i can set my 3pt spear into my bucket. swing a 2' piec of chain around a hook and hold it in, and a small chain to eyelet in the bucket to hold the base. works perfectly.. and 2 chains and pop it's off if i need the bucket.. or need the spear on a 3pt.

Nice 850 Soundguy You have a real spear- i have been cheating a little bit using a round add on bucket pallet fork- will get a real spear this next year but it has worked well so far it does take a little extra push to stick the round bale though here's the 3000 after cleaning out the horses run outs View attachment 350881 and to show the lift capability of the standard ford loaders- 1440 lbs. of concrete being removed from my 1940 international DS 30 International dump truck View attachment 350883

Nothing wrong with the kubotas - but to get into one that will lift and carry the round bale weight on the FEL that is the norm- will cost considerably more than one of these older tractors, but they certainly can be found but for more money...