we are a dying breed

[sam5570]

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I thank you all for the post, i have read them all and there are some great sugestions as to why the problem exist and most all are true. i can only hope that any kid that want's to go fishing or hunting gets to do just that.

 

[Jstpssng]

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i got to agree this is funny .

Anybody who doesn't think so ought to have their Funny Bone checked.

 

[dave1949]

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I thank you all for the post, i have read them all and there are some great sugestions as to why the problem exist and most all are true. i can only hope that any kid that want's to go fishing or hunting gets to do just that.

I apologize for derailing into bear hunting in Maine.

Maybe hunting & fishing needs something like Big Brother/Sister, or Youth outdoors clubs similar to 4H? Qualified people who would host kids. Lawyers picnic no doubt, but it's going to take some thinking outside of the box to overcome the headwinds.

 

[farmgirl19]

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I don't know what all this talk about a drop off in hunting and fishing with the younger generation is all about. There are plenty of iPhone apps out there for hunting and fishing.

That needed a spew alert! I'm glad that I was not drinking a glass of wine! Water is easier to clean from the monitor!

 

[sam5570]

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I apologize for derailing into bear hunting in Maine.

Maybe hunting & fishing needs something like Big Brother/Sister, or Youth outdoors clubs similar to 4H? Qualified people who would host kids. Lawyers picnic no doubt, but it's going to take some thinking outside of the box to overcome the headwinds.

Dave we have a program here that is similar to that, but it not very well known about, guy's are afraid of the kids getting hurt and there dead beat parent's suing them. it happened about 07 i think and the program has been dormant sence.

 

[Circle W]

I read an article today that I have to share with y'all. It's sad when out society has come to this.

http://www.wired2fish.com/teen-arrested-faces-felony-charges-for-tackle-box-contents/

 

[dave1949]

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I read an article today that I have to share with y'all. It's sad when out society has come to this.

Teen Arrested, Faces Felony Charges for Tackle Box Contents « Wired2Fish

Oh, he's guilty alright, just look at him. :laughing:

I assume that is one of those zero tolerance things. I agree, it is a nutty place to end up at, but I know why those policies exist.

Apparently, the Georgia Leg. made that an automatic felony? That's nuts too if that is the case.

 

[Circle W]

Oh, he's guilty alright, just look at him. :laughing: I assume that is one of those zero tolerance things. I agree, it is a nutty place to end up at, but I know why those policies exist. Apparently, the Georgia Leg. made that an automatic felony? That's nuts too if that is the case.

Yep, zero tolerance. But does that have to mean zero common sense?

The part that chapped me the worst was at the end when he talked about wanting to get it cleared up so he can join the Air Force. The kid wants to serve his country, the same one that has put him in this ridiculously unnecessary predicament.

 

[MossRoad]

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I read an article today that I have to share with y'all. It's sad when out society has come to this.

Teen Arrested, Faces Felony Charges for Tackle Box Contents « Wired2Fish

Did any of you read the entire article? A filet knife, yes, that would be expected in a tackle box. He also had a spring assisted knife in the tackle box and he had a butterfly knife (balisong) in his door. The article mentioned 4 knives all with blades over 2.5". While I can't imagine any fillet knife under 4-5", I also suspect there are some knife laws regarding folding knives with blades over 2.5" and butterfly knives (balisongs). Had he been picked up off of school grounds he may have been facing charges for the longer folding knife and the balisong. While I agree that zero tolerance laws are very bad, it appears the kid broke state law, not just school rules. Check out the Georgia law:16-11-126,127,127.1; The statutes prohibit carrying any offensive/defensive weapon concealed. It is also illegal to carry any such knife to a public gathering. In short, don't ever claim self defense as a reason for carrying a concealed knife. Carry laws at schools or at school events are much more strict (no dirks, bowies, switchblades, or knives with blades over 2"). Violation of those school restrictions (127.1) is a felony.

 

[olstreetbob]

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The idea of a "free" fishing day and a free hunting day works! We have those here in South Carolina and have good results. With this and anything else it all starts at home with the parents willing to spend the time with the kids.

 

[Jstpssng]

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The idea of a "free" fishing day and a free hunting day works! We have those here in South Carolina and have good results. With this and anything else it all starts at home with the parents willing to spend the time with the kids.

We have the free fishing days twice a year; once during open water and once on the ice. resident kids under 16 don't need a license to fish anyhow, but it gives adults a chance to get on the ice without paying for a license. It doesn't matter to me, I buy my hunting/fishing combo license as a personal Christmas present, yet have wet a line about twice in the last 10 years.

Oh yeah, I guess you wouldn't have a good turnout for the latter free day which I mentioned.

 

[forgeblast]

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As I was looking at my schedule for the next couple of weeks. I realized I have only two days I can hunt for archery this season. The problem in PA is no sunday hunting. Not even for archery. It really cuts down on the amount of time you can get out.

 

[dave1949]

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Can't say I am a fan of Sunday hunting, sorry.

About every year a bill gets introduced to allow Sunday hunting here and it fails every year. The majority of land owners just don't want it. I can see it would be different in most places where land is usually posted and hunting leases are the norm. I think if Sunday hunting were allowed here where open land is still common, the result would be more posted land.

The fall hunting season here is the absolute best weather for getting out and enjoying the woods. I guess it is not an issue for land that is not used much, but we are out in our woods everyday unless the weather is really rotten. Since most hunters don't ask, they have no way of knowing if we plan to be out or not.

Hunters are their own worst enemy on this issue. If landowners could reasonably assume hunters will communicate with them, then I wouldn't care if I knew someone would be hunting in a area until noon, for example. I could deal with and accommodate that.

For the general public who are enjoying the outdoors other than for hunting, Sunday is a good and safe day. Deer season means putting orange neckties on the dogs and orange vests and hats for us. It's nice to have one day a week when you don't need to worry about becoming a hunting safety statistic.

 

[Jstpssng]

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As a sportsman who takes advantage of my hunting time to revisit old territory and explore new spots I'm on the other side of the equation from Dave... yet I'm opposed to Sunday hunting for the very reasons which he just stated.

 

[schweizer]

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no sunday hunting

Hmm, sounds like a Blue Law to me. Don't see how that passes constitutional muster.

 

[Jstpssng]

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Hmm, sounds like a Blue Law to me. Don't see how that passes constitutional muster.

It probably started out that way... but since most of our hunting is done on private land, and many of those landowners have stated that their land will be closed to all hunting if it's is allowed on Sundays, it remains on the books.

 

[forgeblast]

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I am not asking for rifle to be open on Sundays, archery though has a much smaller footprint and affects smaller areas then rifle. I also put orange on my dogs and wear orange around the property during rifle season. I love fall and enjoy being out there, but my job keeps me too late to get out after work, and my own business means working every Saturday and most Sunday's in October -December.
I agree that its a blue law, when I first started working the stores were closed on Sunday. I worked the first Sunday it was open and people were wandering around in amazement that we were open.

 

[Jstpssng]

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I am not asking for rifle to be open on Sundays, archery though has a much smaller footprint and affects smaller areas then rifle. I also put orange on my dogs and wear orange around the property during rifle season. I love fall and enjoy being out there, but my job keeps me too late to get out after work, and my own business means working every Saturday and most Sunday's in October -December.
I agree that its a blue law, when I first started working the stores were closed on Sunday. I worked the first Sunday it was open and people were wandering around in amazement that we were open.

I understand what you're saying... and many hunters feel that Sunday hunting in unorganized territories (Generally owned by large landowners mainly for growing timber) However nonhunters fear that this is just opening the door for Sunday hunting statewide...

 

[schweizer]

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Don't know if I agree with you guys. The laws may have originated with the church saying not to hunt on Sundays -- blatant Blue Laws -- and their purpose may not be for that reason today. How about a slightly different analogy: what if we had a Muslim dominated society that was mostly secular, but still there were laws that decreed you couldn't hunt on Fridays?

Property owners are individually still within their rights to forbid hunting on Sundays. It's a matter of gov't showing preference for "religion" vs. individual rights. I own 320 acres and I won't have the gov't telling me I can't do certain things on my land just because it's a certain day of the week. My father came from Switzerland, where you still can't mow your lawn on Sunday, can't open your storefront on Sunday (unless within a train station or airport), older people still wear "Sunday clothes". When I travelled to visit my grandparents in Switzerland during the summers as a child, I still remember my grandparents saying "no, we can't do that, it's Sunday." Many people have immigrated to the US over the past few centuries because their home countries had religion-based rule.

I'm far from being anti-Christian or anti-religion -- personally I guess you could call me very conservative Christian. I'm just strongly for separation of church and state.

Marcus