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/ Was ready to buy #21  
I bought my Tractor a tad over two years ago. My dealer has been in business for three decades. The owner and staff are the greatest. I still call the dealer when I need advice or info in regards to maintenance work; etc. They always help me and have always been courteous. BTW, I'm sorry that You had difficulty. Best wishes.
 
/ Was ready to buy #23  
Boy we are lucky in northern N.Y.,I own a couple JD mowers,purchased two new Kubota's and a lot of implements from our local Kubota dealer,my son just purchased a used Kubota from the NH,Massey dealer and all are great places to do business.
 
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Visited Kubota and JD in small town 45 minutes away. Went much better and both sales guys spent a lot of time explaining the tractors. Both also showed me a few used ones. Now it's making up my mind.
 
/ Was ready to buy #25  
Visited Kubota and JD in small town 45 minutes away. Went much better and both sales guys spent a lot of time explaining the tractors. Both also showed me a few used ones. Now it's making up my mind.
As it should be. Best of luck with the decision. We would be happy to spend your money for you (I mean help you compare models) if you want.

Aaron Z
 
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As it should be. Best of luck with the decision. We would be happy to spend your money for you (I mean help you compare models) if you want.

Aaron Z

Here's what I'm trying to decide but at this point I'm leaning green.

New Kubota L3200 or L3800. Low $20s package deal
Used Kubota L3400. $10k but kinda rough. Can't remember hours.

New JD 3032e or 3038e. Low $20s package deal.
Used JD 3320 no FEL. $10k pretty good shape but was used by a golf course so turf tires. 1000hrs
Used JD 3520 $21k really good shape. 150hrs.

I know it probably varies widely but how much will dealers come off their new prices?
 
/ Was ready to buy #27  
Many members report jerky hitches on the Kubota Lxx00 Series, so I would have the dealer put a rotary cutter on and make sure it is not one with a problem.

I don't know anything about the John Deere models mentioned, sorry.
 
/ Was ready to buy #28  
I find prices vary greatly depending on geographic location, tend to be most expensive in the northeast. When I was shopping for my first tractor, I went to the local JD dealer. I had a JD mower I was happy with, needed some new blades for it and thought I would kill two birds with one stone sort of thing. It took me forever to get help from either parts or sales. Parts guy acted like I was annoying him, taking up his time for wanting to buy some blades for my mower. He didn't have any in stock and would have to order them. I finally got hold of a sales person, sorted out which tractor would best suit me and he gave me a quote. He made a real big deal about getting me 10% off list price and what a special deal he was giving me, end of the month making quota nonsense. I checked the JD web site when I got home... his 10% off was actually JD's MSRP!!?? I then went next door to the Kubota dealer, told them what I had just gone thru at the JD dealer. He was very helpful, had me drive several tractors to get the feel of them. He prices were better than the JD dealer but they didn't fit me ergonomically very well. He asked if I was looking at any other tractors, I told him I was considering looking at Kioti's, well... he went ballistic, started yelling and shouting about Korean cr@p and how could I even consider them. I just walked out in the middle of his tirade and haven't been back to either dealer since. Never did get the mower blades from the JD dealer.
 
/ Was ready to buy #29  
Here's what I'm trying to decide but at this point I'm leaning green.

New Kubota L3200 or L3800. Low $20s package deal
Used Kubota L3400. $10k but kinda rough. Can't remember hours.

New JD 3032e or 3038e. Low $20s package deal.
Used JD 3320 no FEL. $10k pretty good shape but was used by a golf course so turf tires. 1000hrs
Used JD 3520 $21k really good shape. 150hrs.

I know it probably varies widely but how much will dealers come off their new prices?

Why the sudden change from a 4,200lb 2WD machine (5045D) to a 2,200lb 4WD machine like the 3038E? That's a pretty big change.

For the $21K you mentioned they wanted for the used 3520 you could buy a lot more capability, plus warranty, in a new tractor from other brands....way more actually.

One major downside to the Deere 3032E and 3038E is that they only have a 2-range transmission. That doesn't seem like a big deal until you start using them seriously.
 
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Why the sudden change from a 4,200lb 2WD machine (5045D) to a 2,200lb 4WD machine like the 3038E? That's a pretty big change.

For the $21K you mentioned they wanted for the used 3520 you could buy a lot more capability, plus warranty, in a new tractor from other brands....way more actually.

One major downside to the Deere 3032E and 3038E is that they only have a 2-range transmission. That doesn't seem like a big deal until you start using them seriously.

Yeah I know that's a big change but as I was looking and talking to the sales guys I realized it was probably overkill. I have 14 acres with about eight acres in pasture and the rest wooded. Primary uses would be brush hogging, leveling, post holes and building structures.

I have a GT235 that's been bulletproof so that's one of the things that pulls me that way. What other brands would you suggest? I've casually looked at Kioti and LS but their dealer support here is a bit scarce.
 
/ Was ready to buy #31  
I had the same experiance with my JD and NH dealer here in western Washington. I decieded to go orange due to customer service.
 
/ Was ready to buy #32  
Why the sudden change from a 4,200lb 2WD machine (5045D) to a 2,200lb 4WD machine like the 3038E? That's a pretty big change.

For the $21K you mentioned they wanted for the used 3520 you could buy a lot more capability, plus warranty, in a new tractor from other brands....way more actually.

One major downside to the Deere 3032E and 3038E is that they only have a 2-range transmission. That doesn't seem like a big deal until you start using them seriously.

I've never operated a 2 range HST, but I probably wouldn't like it. I spend most of my time in "B" range, so I would probably be either racing the engine in low range, or lugging it in high range.
Of the latest choices that the OP put forth, I would lean to the last one...the 3520 with 150 hours. But, I personally prefer the wider, heavier, all steel 4x20's.
 
/ Was ready to buy #33  
Your lucky! It drives me nuts when salesmen come running at you like vultures. If I need a salesmen, I'll find one. Until then leave me alone.

I agree, although it would be nice if they acknowledge your presence -- that's just common courtesy!
 
/ Was ready to buy #34  
I've casually looked at Kioti and LS but their dealer support here is a bit scarce.
LS may have fewer dealers but I would bet that you would get better service and attitude from them than you are getting from the Kubota and JD dealer. Around here, Kioti dealers are scarce also. I went back to my dealer twice in 2 years for parts> Once for warranty work and once for filters and a drawbar attachment and pin that I had broke yanking on a fully loaded dump truck that was stuck. Dealer checked and the parts were also warranted so that saved me a couple hundred plus I got a complete newly designed drawbar support in the deal. I couldn't ask for better service from my dealer albeit he is 50 miles away. No tractor dealers are less than 28 miles (Kubota, Mahindra, New Holland) and closest JD dealer is about 60 miles from me.
 
/ Was ready to buy #35  
LS may have fewer dealers but I would bet that you would get better service and attitude from them than you are getting from the Kubota and JD dealer. Around here, Kioti dealers are scarce also. I went back to my dealer twice in 2 years for parts> Once for warranty work and once for filters and a drawbar attachment and pin that I had broke yanking on a fully loaded dump truck that was stuck. Dealer checked and the parts were also warranted so that saved me a couple hundred plus I got a complete newly designed drawbar support in the deal. I couldn't ask for better service from my dealer albeit he is 50 miles away. No tractor dealers are less than 28 miles (Kubota, Mahindra, New Holland) and closest JD dealer is about 60 miles from me.
He didn't say he had any issues with a Kubota dealer, just JD and NH...
 
/ Was ready to buy #36  
Yeah I know that's a big change but as I was looking and talking to the sales guys I realized it was probably overkill. I have 14 acres with about eight acres in pasture and the rest wooded. Primary uses would be brush hogging, leveling, post holes and building structures.

I have a GT235 that's been bulletproof so that's one of the things that pulls me that way. What other brands would you suggest? I've casually looked at Kioti and LS but their dealer support here is a bit scarce.

Without seeing your land, and specific uses, it would be hard for anyone to really do a fair assessment of your needs (not saying the dealers are wrong, and all of us here are included in this). I have 15 acres now, that might grow to 55 eventually, and it's broken out similarly to what you describe. I've got a 5,000+lb 4wd tractor (counting FEL), and a 4,200lb 2wd tractor, and they absolutely aren't overkill. I've been clearing trees, brush hogging, box blading, moving dirt, etc, and there have been many times I max the capability they have. I could easily go one or two steps bigger, and be happy. People joke that tractors shrink when you get them home, and I have to agree. Many people here report picking the perfect size, and a year later trade up a size....very common, and can be an expensive lesson.

Obviously, I'm very happy with my LS (you can actually get parts or warranty work at any NH or Case dealer, warranty requires LS approval), but almost bought a Kioti....both great machines. For the same money you'd be getting double the FEL capability (more actually), and a nice jump in PTO power that would let you run bigger implements....along with a lot more weight, which equals traction, which would be much better for ground engaging implements.

The new Massey 1635 would be very similar to the Deere and Kubotas you're considering, and the prices seem to be a reasonable amount lower....from what ive seen, the reports are positive on them.
 
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Without seeing your land, and specific uses, it would be hard for anyone to really do a fair assessment of your needs (not saying the dealers are wrong, and all of us here are included in this). I have 15 acres now, that might grow to 55 eventually, and it's broken out similarly to what you describe. I've got a 5,000+lb 4wd tractor (counting FEL), and a 4,200lb 2wd tractor, and they absolutely aren't overkill. I've been clearing trees, brush hogging, box blading, moving dirt, etc, and there have been many times I max the capability they have. I could easily go one or two steps bigger, and be happy. People joke that tractors shrink when you get them home, and I have to agree. Many people here report picking the perfect size, and a year later trade up a size....very common, and can be an expensive lesson.

Obviously, I'm very happy with my LS (you can actually get parts or warranty work at any NH or Case dealer, warranty requires LS approval), but almost bought a Kioti....both great machines. For the same money you'd be getting double the FEL capability (more actually), and a nice jump in PTO power that would let you run bigger implements....along with a lot more weight, which equals traction, which would be much better for ground engaging implements.

The new Massey 1635 would be very similar to the Deere and Kubotas you're considering, and the prices seem to be a reasonable amount lower....from what ive seen, the reports are positive on them.

You make a great point. We're eyeing 25 acres next to us as soon as they are ready to sell.

Maybe I'll take a closer look LS and also the JD 5045 again. I thought I was close to making a decision but this can be mind boggling. Any stickies on buying your first tractor?
 
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One thing to consider is the standard L series Kubota is not quite the machine as that used 3520. You are comparing a standard tractor to a more deluxe tractor, with more features.. You did not mention which loader the 3520 had on it. In april 2012 I gave 19,300 for a new Kioti DK35se hydro with loader.. It is far more tractor than either of the Kubota's you mentioned. It is in a totally separate class. Comparable to that JD. In my opinion, if you are settled on the Kubota, you need either quite a bit of money knocked off, or quite a bit of other things thrown in. All I am saying is compare all of the features side by side. Do a lot of research before you lay down your hard earned.
 
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You make a great point. We're eyeing 25 acres next to us as soon as they are ready to sell.

Maybe I'll take a closer look LS and also the JD 5045 again. I thought I was close to making a decision but this can be mind boggling. Any stickies on buying your first tractor?

You might consider looking at a Kubota MX5100 as well...if only as a comparison point. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles as a Grand L, but it's a lot more affordable, and would generally compare to something like the 5045...it's a bit lighter, has a bit more PTO power, similar 3pt lift, and either the same, or a bit less loader power (depends which loader on the Deere).

If you got some seat time on a 5045, an MX5100, maybe a Kioti DK45SE and an LS R4047, you'd have a good cross section of machines to choose from that all should do the typical kinds of tasks you're talking about. They're all in the ballpark of 4,000lbs (give or take a couple hundred) without the loader, can lift 2,500Lbs+ on the 3pt, have 3-range hydro available, and can lift over 2,000lbs on the FEL (measured at the pin). Most of the rest falls into details, or intangibles....some will matter a lot to me, but not at all to you, and vice-versa. In reality, you haven't mentioned a single bad machine in the whole thread...assuming the used ones don't have hidden issues.

I don't know about any stickies on buying new machines, but that's not a bad idea!
 
/ Was ready to buy #40  
This is a pretty interesting thread. I have had similar bad experiences at car dealerships in my area, The local Chevy dealer only employs lying crack weasels for salesman as far as I can see. But when shopping for tractors I found none of that. Every salesroom of every brand was staffed with polite, attentive and for the most part knowledgeable people who had time to work with me. The tractors themselves made my decision for me and the dealer that knew how to hook up and deliver a third function loader without Goggling it got the nod over the other dealers of the same brand.
As to your choices I have to ask how much more would a 5045E be over the 5045D you have looked at? I can't imagine a 5045E with a 553 loader not being completely satisfactory for your needs and be worth almost as much when you are done with it as you paid for it.
 

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