Just got quoted on a 8560

[minner]

A just got a quote on a 8560, and about regurgitated my coffee. I've seen some of the quotes on here and was expecting somewhere in the neighborhood of $42K +/- a couple thousand. I was quoted on a cab with industrial tires and third function on the loader, nothing much else. It came to a couple copper coins under $51K. OUCH!

I can get a similar tractor in almost any color I want for the same price. I can get a MF 4610 (100hp) which is similar for $49K.

Granted, this was an "email" quote and not a walk-in-the-door quote, I am sure there is a fudge factor but not nearly 10% I was expecting.

Was I expecting too much?

 

[DavesTractor]

I'd suggest you get a quote from another dealer for comparison. If they no longer have an 8560, you might also price the mPower85, which is essentially the 8560 with the new Interim Tier IV engine. There are huge discounts for cash or standard rate, so if you are going that direction, let the dealer know.

 

[minner]

From I gather from their website the 85p is the exact same tractor spec for spec except its $3,400 more expensive. I assume its got a particulate filter or DEF system..........

dang government.......

 

[idaho2]

Minner,

Just looked at Agricredit, 2012 8560 listed with 223 hrs, FEl for $39,876. Above average condition.

Idaho2

 

[minner]

There is a used one locally for sale for $35K. Guess I should jump on it.

 

[DavesTractor]

From I gather from their website the 85p is the exact same tractor spec for spec except its $3,400 more expensive. I assume its got a particulate filter or DEF system..........

dang government.......

The tractors are essentially the same by my observation, but the the engine is very different. It's not just the same engine with a fancy muffler. It's a common rail system like all the newer diesel cars and trucks. In the long run, I suppose all diesels will be that way. They can much better regulate fuel injector pulses, even giving multiple injections per cycle, etc. But as to the "dang government" comment, I agree!

 

[blitzen]

I too have received a couple of quotes on an open station 8560 with front end loader 35 and some change best price was for an mpower 85 34k if I can get an mpower for 34 is it reasonable to expect an 8560 for 3k less? cash price after talking to a few local guys first, 50 miles is closest 37 was a local quote just about lost my appetite for one and am now looking at other colors mostly big 3. 34 for an mpower doesn't seem bad but I may have to liquidate my tractor first as I don't want to make payments. Local guy also wanted 35k for a 7060 w/loader. With all that said I understand that the dealer needs to pay a lot of overhead. I too have read on here of much better pricing and I am guessing that these tractors are in very limited supply and that is why these tractors have a firmer price? In my feeble little mind I am of the something is better than nothing, line of thinking also something doesn't mean free. By putting a lesser known brand out in the publics eye would this not be good for the brand and the dealer. (I have never seen one in person) Like I said I'm no genius. Just a regular guy trying to do the best for himself and not really seeing anyone reaching real hard to earn my business at this point. No big deal as I am patient and can wait for the right deal. Minner I wish good luck in your search and would you let us know how it goes. Thanks Dave
ps. my highest quote was for 39k on an 8560 open station
pss. I should also note the mpower 85 quote for 34k did not include a 3k charge that he was going to charge for getting tractor ready to sell the 3k also included him taking mine in on trade and getting that ready for sale he offered 17k for my 2410

 

[DavesTractor]

pss. I should also note the mpower 85 quote for 34k did not include a 3k charge that he was going to charge for getting tractor ready to sell the 3k also included him taking mine in on trade and getting that ready for sale he offered 17k for my 2410

That is a goofy way to price. If it is $34 +$3k =$37k, he should just say the price is $37k.

 

[blitzen]

Agreed, Dave. He also said if no trade, price would be 34k. He had a lot of ways to skin a cat and was confusing to me. Most local dealers seemed to want close to msrp and all of the negotiation took place over phone with me taking notes. I will more than likely sell my tractor myself as this seems to be rather confusing for most of the dealers I spoke to except one he was rather forthcoming and it seems from him that I need to sell it myself. I know they need to buy at wholesale so they can make a profit but there definition on retail and wholesale don't seem fair. I would rather buy local but am willing to travel

 

[minner]

Got another quote today. 8560, cab and loader: $44500.

 

[DavesTractor]

Got another quote today. 8560, cab and loader: $44500.

Good price.

 

[dal929]

I got mine for 39k cab and loader. It was the last one on his lot so he was pricing it very agressively, he had also mentioned that he had bought 12 so his pricing was much different than the dealer that was either going to order one for you or only has 1 at a time.

 

[tractorguru75]

Mahindra has not been in the US for very long, and by all accounts, their dealers come and go reqularly. They are new to the US market, and no one knows very much about them over the long term. For one, their re-sale value sucks...if you ever want to trade it in, good luck getting a fraction of what you paid for it. One of the reasons that JD, Case, NH, and some of the other big players get good resale value is parts availability...you know that they will make parts for these tractors for the next 10, 20 or even 50 years, however, with a 3rd tier company like Mahindra, who knows. The question mark on the future parts availability alone makes for a big decrease in the trade-in/resale value, even if it IS a great tractor. If you buy a Mahindra, you better hope you love it from day one, because you're going to be stuck with it, and a prayer might be your best bet that parts will still be made 20 years from now.

The other problem with Mahindra is that they refuse to send any of their tractors for the "Nebraska Test". For those that aren't familiar, all the big players in the tractor market have all their specs (like HP, lift capacity, fuel economy, etc.) determined by Nebraska University. The purpose is that it allows a 3rd party independent organization to determine the specs...so you know that all tractors were measured in exactly the same way, and no 'trickery' was involved. For instance, a company could use fuel additives, or adjust the temperature or humidity of the air going into the engine, or one could even measure the 3pt lift capacity from 12" behind the hitch instead of the standard 24". They could also measure the engine HP directly from the output shaft instead of the wheels or PTO shaft. The "Nebraska Test" began in 1920 specifically because of false claims, which were a common occurence at the time. Last I knew, some states even have laws forbidding govvernment agencies from buying tractors that were not tested by Nebraska University (google Nebraska test if you want to learn more). It's a small cost for the test, given the high number of potential sales, you can't help but wonder why they wouldn't. I guess when you buy a Mahindra tractor, you'll just have to take their word for it that a 34hp engine is, in fact 34hp. Frankly, it all sounds shady to me

 

[DavesTractor]

Mahindra has not been in the US for very long, and by all accounts, their dealers come and go reqularly. They are new to the US market, and no one knows very much about them over the long term. For one, their re-sale value sucks...if you ever want to trade it in, good luck getting a fraction of what you paid for it. One of the reasons that JD, Case, NH, and some of the other big players get good resale value is parts availability...you know that they will make parts for these tractors for the next 10, 20 or even 50 years, however, with a 3rd tier company like Mahindra, who knows. The question mark on the future parts availability alone makes for a big decrease in the trade-in/resale value, even if it IS a great tractor. If you buy a Mahindra, you better hope you love it from day one, because you're going to be stuck with it, and a prayer might be your best bet that parts will still be made 20 years from now.

The other problem with Mahindra is that they refuse to send any of their tractors for the "Nebraska Test". For those that aren't familiar, all the big players in the tractor market have all their specs (like HP, lift capacity, fuel economy, etc.) determined by Nebraska University. The purpose is that it allows a 3rd party independent organization to determine the specs...so you know that all tractors were measured in exactly the same way, and no 'trickery' was involved. For instance, a company could use fuel additives, or adjust the temperature or humidity of the air going into the engine, or one could even measure the 3pt lift capacity from 12" behind the hitch instead of the standard 24". They could also measure the engine HP directly from the output shaft instead of the wheels or PTO shaft. The "Nebraska Test" began in 1920 specifically because of false claims, which were a common occurence at the time. Last I knew, some states even have laws forbidding govvernment agencies from buying tractors that were not tested by Nebraska University (google Nebraska test if you want to learn more). It's a small cost for the test, given the high number of potential sales, you can't help but wonder why they wouldn't. I guess when you buy a Mahindra tractor, you'll just have to take their word for it that a 34hp engine is, in fact 34hp. Frankly, it all sounds shady to me

If you were a guru, and not a troll, you would know that worldwide Mahindra sells more tractors than any other single brand. In the USA, they are #3 in 80HP and down. That took about 20 years in the USA to get to that point. As far as them being worth a fraction for resale, send me a list of these used Mahindra tractors for pennies on the dollar and I will send a truck, or many trucks.

If #1 in the world and #3 in the USA makes Mahindra a third tier tractor company, how is it that they become second tier, and eventually top tier?

If you are not a troll, you are very short on tractor knowledge. You have about nothing right, and I think your post can simply be dismissed.

 

[AchingBack]

Mahindra has not been in the US for very long, and by all accounts, their dealers come and go reqularly. They are new to the US market, and no one knows very much about them over the long term. For one, their re-sale value sucks...if you ever want to trade it in, good luck getting a fraction of what you paid for it. One of the reasons that JD, Case, NH, and some of the other big players get good resale value is parts availability...you know that they will make parts for these tractors for the next 10, 20 or even 50 years, however, with a 3rd tier company like Mahindra, who knows. The question mark on the future parts availability alone makes for a big decrease in the trade-in/resale value, even if it IS a great tractor. If you buy a Mahindra, you better hope you love it from day one, because you're going to be stuck with it, and a prayer might be your best bet that parts will still be made 20 years from now.

The other problem with Mahindra is that they refuse to send any of their tractors for the "Nebraska Test". For those that aren't familiar, all the big players in the tractor market have all their specs (like HP, lift capacity, fuel economy, etc.) determined by Nebraska University. The purpose is that it allows a 3rd party independent organization to determine the specs...so you know that all tractors were measured in exactly the same way, and no 'trickery' was involved. For instance, a company could use fuel additives, or adjust the temperature or humidity of the air going into the engine, or one could even measure the 3pt lift capacity from 12" behind the hitch instead of the standard 24". They could also measure the engine HP directly from the output shaft instead of the wheels or PTO shaft. The "Nebraska Test" began in 1920 specifically because of false claims, which were a common occurence at the time. Last I knew, some states even have laws forbidding govvernment agencies from buying tractors that were not tested by Nebraska University (google Nebraska test if you want to learn more). It's a small cost for the test, given the high number of potential sales, you can't help but wonder why they wouldn't. I guess when you buy a Mahindra tractor, you'll just have to take their word for it that a 34hp engine is, in fact 34hp. Frankly, it all sounds shady to me

What model is your Cub Cadet? If it is a tractor, and not a lawn mower, you may very well have a Mitsubishi made tractor. Or, do you own a Yanmar made Cub Cadet?

Being a guru, you already know the high quality of Japanese made tractors, especially the Mahindra Max, and the 15, and 16 series.

You sound like a dealer of another color -jealous green with envy.

 

[tractorguru75]

If you were a guru, and not a troll, you would know that worldwide Mahindra sells more tractors than any other single brand. In the USA, they are #3 in 80HP and down. That took about 20 years in the USA to get to that point. As far as them being worth a fraction for resale, send me a list of these used Mahindra tractors for pennies on the dollar and I will send a truck, or many trucks.

If #1 in the world and #3 in the USA makes Mahindra a third tier tractor company, how is it that they become second tier, and eventually top tier?

If you are not a troll, you are very short on tractor knowledge. You have about nothing right, and I think your post can simply be dismissed.

Mahinda IS the top selling tractor WORLDWIDE dave, because all their customers are in India, China, Indo-China and Asia (which is where they are also built) and we ALL know about the quality of Chineese and Indian made goods! As for #3 in the US for >80hp tractors, that is because uneducated consumers only look at the price tag. Ever heard of the Yugo???? Yep, cheap car, for people who only look at the price tag! They are new to the US market, and we have different quality standards here. Fact is, no one knows about their resale value, because they have not been a player in the US market long enough for many of them to show up in used lots or at auctions, which was exactly my point! If you want a machine that is unproven here, take it, and good luck...I'll stick to the tried and true myself. For all I know, they are a decent machine, but NO ONE KNOWS YET, they haven't been around long enough. Funny how you criticized my post, but completely avoided the FACTS I was merely pointing out, including:

WILL they still make parts in 10 years? (no one knows, they haven't been here long enough to know)
How DO they hold up on the resale market? (no one knows, they haven't been here long enough to have any hard numbers)
Why do so many of their dealers disappear suddenly or drop them? (read the posts on this site if you need proof of that)
How DO you know that a 34hp tractor is ACTUALLY 34hp if their not measured by the same 3rd party as everyone else? (maybe that explains their lower cost)
Why DO they REFUSE to send their machines to the Nebraska test if it would give thier specs independent verification and open up TONS of new business where the test is REQUIRED as a matter of law? (Are they hiding something? I guess you can just take their word for it on specs)

Honestly, I don't know if their a good machine or not. They are NEW to the US market...if you're OK taking that chance, fine. But I'll stick with a machine that is PROVEN to have good parts availability, good resale value, good dealer network, and gets their specs using the same 3rd party as everyone else, and good luck talking to their Indian customer service center if you ever need to call them with a problem.

Your post is pathetic. Your only rebuttal to all my points was "They are #1 in the world and #3 in the US for <80hp" Ya know what? Wal-Mart is the biggest retailer in the world, but that isn't because of their quality? Is it? Oh, that's right, it's all "cheap crap" made in (ready for it) CHINA!!!!

I'm no troll (In fact, this was my first post ever), but I have an feeling that you must be a Mahindra salesman. Why don't you just address the questions I raised in my post instead of just trying to rebut with "They're the best selling tractor worldwide"?

 

[DavesTractor]

Mahinda IS the top selling tractor WORLDWIDE dave, because all their customers are in India, China, Indo-China and Asia (which is where they are also built) and we ALL know about the quality of Chineese and Indian made goods! As for #3 in the US for >80hp tractors, that is because uneducated consumers only look at the price tag. Ever heard of the Yugo???? Yep, cheap car, for people who only look at the price tag! They are new to the US market, and we have different quality standards here. Fact is, no one knows about their resale value, because they have not been a player in the US market long enough for many of them to show up in used lots or at auctions, which was exactly my point! If you want a machine that is unproven here, take it, and good luck...I'll stick to the tried and true myself. For all I know, they are a decent machine, but NO ONE KNOWS YET, they haven't been around long enough. Funny how you criticized my post, but completely avoided the FACTS I was merely pointing out, including:

WILL they still make parts in 10 years? (no one knows, they haven't been here long enough to know)
How DO they hold up on the resale market? (no one knows, they haven't been here long enough to have any hard numbers)
Why do so many of their dealers disappear suddenly or drop them? (read the posts on this site if you need proof of that)
How DO you know that a 34hp tractor is ACTUALLY 34hp if their not measured by the same 3rd party as everyone else? (maybe that explains their lower cost)
Why DO they REFUSE to send their machines to the Nebraska test if it would give thier specs independent verification and open up TONS of new business where the test is REQUIRED as a matter of law? (Are they hiding something? I guess you can just take their word for it on specs)

Honestly, I don't know if their a good machine or not. They are NEW to the US market...if you're OK taking that chance, fine. But I'll stick with a machine that is PROVEN to have good parts availability, good resale value, good dealer network, and gets their specs using the same 3rd party as everyone else, and good luck talking to their Indian customer service center if you ever need to call them with a problem.

Your post is pathetic. Your only rebuttal to all my points was "They are #1 in the world and #3 in the US for <80hp" Ya know what? Wal-Mart is the biggest retailer in the world, but that isn't because of their quality? Is it? Oh, that's right, it's all "cheap crap" made in (ready for it) CHINA!!!!

I'm no troll (In fact, this was my first post ever), but I have an feeling that you must be a Mahindra salesman. Why don't you just address the questions I raised in my post instead of just trying to rebut with "They're the best selling tractor worldwide"?

So they are number one worldwide because they sell a lot all over the world. Guilty as charged. Surely JD and Kubota and Massey and Case do not sell elsewhere outside the USA do they? Surely they don't even try, they just give that market to Mahindra. Who needs an additional 200k tractor sales anyway? Come on guru, that argument is without merit.

They are number 3 in the USA because people are all stupid, is that what you are saying? Really bad logic, maybe as bad as your worldwide sales concept.

Your Yugo analogy, I'm at a loss to connect those dots between Mahindra and Yugo. Please pontificate.

Mahindra has been in the USA for about 20 years. We still have parts. Plenty of parts. Order a part, send me your cc and I'll ship it to you.

How to I know if the HP rating is proper? I put them on my dyno.

How do I know about resale? I sell them both new and used and I dearly wish I had more used Mahindra tractors.

Refusing to do Nebraska tests? This is the only thing you have that has any merit at all, but your intimation that they are not doing so for some sinister reason is again without merit. But even so, they have not refused to test, saying they have not yet chosen to do so would be more accurate. There is a difference between refusing and not doing something. Words mean something. I did not go swimming today. I refused to go swimming today? Either way I stayed out of the pool, but vastly different meanings.

As Mahindra expands and eventually becomes a serious player in all states, they will likely want to be in Nebraska as well. As such, they will have to follow whatever requirements Nebraska has for tractors. They came into California about 10 years ago and had to jump through CARB hoops and certain labeling requirements to do that, and they did so. California is a huge market for smaller tractors and it fit the plan to expand in the west. Eventually the plan will include a serious presence in Nebraska....and at that time you can be sure they will be tested. Meanwhile, most every sizable tractor dealer has a dyno, it is simple to do a baseline test.

And I do sell Mahindra and that is no surprise to anyone in this fine community of courteous and thoughtful tractor owners.

Do your homework before throwing out such disrespectful nonsensical accusations against a very good brand.

 

[tractorguru75]

What model is your Cub Cadet? If it is a tractor, and not a lawn mower, you may very well have a Mitsubishi made tractor. Or, do you own a Yanmar made Cub Cadet?

Being a guru, you already know the high quality of Japanese made tractors, especially the Mahindra Max, and the 15, and 16 series.

You sound like a dealer of another color -jealous green with envy.

I've worked as a mechanic for 20 years for everything from string trimmers and chain-saws to diesel trucks and tractors large and small. I have no brand loyalty whatsoever. As for my Cub Cadet, it's a POS, and Cub is not what they used to be since MTD took over thier operations. My house has >1/2 an acre, so a small riding lawn mower is all I need personally. I bought it from a customer for cheap who had a blown Kohler engine, and replaced it with a Kawasaki we had laying around the shop. As a mechanic, I've had to tell numerous customers that we cannot get parts for their 3rd tier machine. I certainly DO know alot about tractors, since I work on them for a living, and I also understand how people get screwed when their parts are discontinued and therefore, the machine has almost NO value. I advise these customers to stick with the companies that have been around a while and are well known, to avoid these problems. I also tell them that the cheapest machine is not always the cheapest machine. If they ask about New Holland, I tell them good. If they ask about JD, I tell them go for it. If they ask me about Case, absolutely. If they ask me about a "newcomer" to the market or unknown brand, I advise them to think twice, and then tell them some true stories about the cheap chineese crap they sell at Harbor Freight that can't be repaired. "If the machine is a lot cheaper than all thier competitors, Theres' probably a reason". I haven't worked on a Mahindra yet, and that's likely because they haven't been around very long.

I also know about the Nebraska test because I've driven a 34hp brand X tractor, and then a 34hp Y tractor, and wondered why one seemed to have so much more power than the other. My boss, who has been in the business for 40 years, explained to me how some companies 'cheat' on their specs...and it all made sense.

Unlike YOU, Dave, I am just trying to point out some reasons to avoid the lesser known brands, since I deal with these issues on a regular basis. It's up to others to decide if they still want to take a chance on a newcomer. For all I know, Mahindra is losing money and could pull out of the US market next week. Ever heard of a car company called a Daewoo? Yep, that's what they did.

Anyhow, ONCE AGAIN, you have still not responded to my points directly. Namely, will they still be able to get parts in 10 years? How ARE their resale values going to hold up? and WHY don't they use the Nebraska Test for their specs like everyone else? Seriously, you're just making yourself look foolish by attacking me instead of actually responding to the questions I raised about buying a Mahindra!!!!! If you can answer them, DO IT, instead of attacking me

All you've done is convince me (and anyone else on this forum) that you're a Mahindra 'snake oil' salesman.

 

[DavesTractor]

Tractorguru,

I've responded to each of your points. I cannot compel you to comprehend. I do not know how riding lawn mower parts go, so in that realm you may be right. And I never owned a Daewoo.

I do remember a newcomer called Kubota. They started bringing over some goofy little 2-cylinder 2-wheel drive "jap" tractors. I suppose that never panned out and they folded up and took there junk back home? Oh wait, they are a highly respected worldwide manufacturer of some pretty high quality tractors. Seems they and JD compete for #1 in market share in the USA and are top brands internationally.. Hmm, crazy newcomers to the market! I bet they never even stocked parts and had terrible resale. It'll never work I tell you...:cool2:

 

[minner]

Tractorguru,

I've responded to each of your points. I cannot compel you to comprehend. I do not know how riding lawn mower parts go, so in that realm you may be right. And I never owned a Daewoo.

I do remember a newcomer called Kubota. They started bringing over some goofy little 2-cylinder 2-wheel drive "jap" tractors. I suppose that never panned out and they folded up and took there junk back home? Oh wait, they are a highly respected worldwide manufacturer of some pretty high quality tractors. Seems they and JD compete for #1 in market share in the USA and are top brands internationally.. Hmm, crazy newcomers to the market! I bet they never even stocked parts and had terrible resale. It'll never work I tell you...:cool2:

This was exactly what I was about to say. Kubotas used to be the same way and to be honest they were a POS many years ago. They have improved dramatically and the market has supported them. As JD, Agco, Ford, etc. corporations continue to conglomerate their dealerships and increase their prices there will be room for new companies. I will let the market decide.