Solar power anyone ?

   / Solar power anyone ? #91  
EMP can cause significant problems. However the electronic device 1) must be on when the emp hits, 2) be designed in a manner that the effects of emp will cause damage and 3) not be in an enclosed or shielded area to be subject to the emp. Most old school stuff, like magnetos and battery-coil ignition will not be affected. Mostly solid state devices are affected. Any semiconductor device, like a diode or transistor, immediately conducts. In many circuits this causes simultaneous currents in multiple paths that were never intended. The result is overloads, excess current and/or voltage which causes destruction of part of the device. In ICs and microprocessors everything turns on internally and usually results in destructive currents. In the late 70's I worked on ground equipment for the Pershing missile. We had to design all of the electronics to be emp tolerant, meaning that the condition of everything conduction did not destroy the circuit. Also in those times it was found that the Russian MIG-29 had a lot of tube based electronics in it. It was determined that one of the primary reasons was the emp tolerance of tubes and tube circuits.

I would not worry too much about emp. A large solar flair can have a similar effect, not as powerful but covering a larger geographic area, and is more likely than a nuclear blast, and could cause quite a bit of havoc to our modern technological world.

paul
 
   / Solar power anyone ? #92  
... Mostly solid state devices are affected. Any semiconductor device, like a diode or transistor, immediately conducts. In many circuits this causes simultaneous currents in multiple paths that were never intended. The result is overloads, excess current and/or voltage which causes destruction of part of the device. In ICs and microprocessors everything turns on internally and usually results in destructive currents.
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paul

What I had read, is that EMP will destroy most of today's electrical devices, even if the devices are powered off. Is that not true?

My assumption is that the Enphase inverters would not survive an EMP hit because the device has built in networking back to a monitoring stations(hardware and software) which should mean a there is a microprocessor, ROM, and maybe RAM in the inverter. I did not think a microprocessor, RAM or ROM could handle EMP. It would be great if EMP did NOT affect those devices.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Solar power anyone ? #94  

Much more likely to happen than some of the other terrorist activity that we have been prepping for. As always, once the horse is out we close the barn door and spend time bolting, nailing, screwing and shackling it shut while the back door is wide open (see TSA). My other thought is fire. If terrorists ever wanted to shut us down and destroy us, a half dozen wackos running around lighting everything they can on fire would overwhelm us so fast and destroy so much we'd be years recovering, all with a bic lighter.

Either way, solar is looking more and more reasonable. Wind has too many moving parts, my meager memories of physics in school includes: "If it moves it creates heat which is loss of energy" as well as "if it's mechanical it will break". With any luck over time the cost and longevity of panels will continue to improve.
 
   / Solar power anyone ? #95  
What I had read, is that EMP will destroy most of today's electrical devices, even if the devices are powered off. Is that not true?

My assumption is that the Enphase inverters would not survive an EMP hit because the device has built in networking back to a monitoring stations(hardware and software) which should mean a there is a microprocessor, ROM, and maybe RAM in the inverter. I did not think a microprocessor, RAM or ROM could handle EMP. It would be great if EMP did NOT affect those devices.

Later,
Dan


EMP may damage or destroy non-powered devices if your proximity to the source causes high enough induced voltages. If you were in that area, I would not worry about EMP, you will have other issues. Most EMP damage is as I had described. The other significant effect is that most programmable memory (flash, eproms, eeproms, etc) will be corrupted by EMP, making any associated device inoperable.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm

paul
 
   / Solar power anyone ? #96  
EMP may damage or destroy non-powered devices if your proximity to the source causes high enough induced voltages. If you were in that area, I would not worry about EMP, you will have other issues. Most EMP damage is as I had described. The other significant effect is that most programmable memory (flash, eproms, eeproms, etc) will be corrupted by EMP, making any associated device inoperable.

Nuclear Weapon EMP Effects

paul

I am not really concerned with nuke EMP but a solar based EMP event.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Solar power anyone ? #97  
I am not really concerned with nuke EMP but a solar based EMP event.

Later,
Dan

I agree, it is a much bigger threat. We are now entering SolarMax - anything is possible !

paul
 
   / Solar power anyone ? #98  
Read a study on EMP that did various tests... wish I could find it.

Anyway... old diesels and even some gasoline vehicles like a Model T Ford did the best as compared to all newer vehicles.

I guess the Amish life with oil, steam and candles would hardly notice?
 
   / Solar power anyone ? #99  
Read a study on EMP that did various tests... wish I could find it.

Anyway... old diesels and even some gasoline vehicles like a Model T Ford did the best as compared to all newer vehicles.

I guess the Amish life with oil, steam and candles would hardly notice?

The Amish are running day spas now? Who knew?
 
   / Solar power anyone ? #100  
I didn't... still see a few that travel by train in my area...
 

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