bumper pull or gooseneck

[LD1]

thanks for the replies. I was already thinking that I would stick to 10k or less on the bumper and anything over to go GN. I think I need to get a ball installed. Plus they look cooler.

I dont know about looking cooler, but they certainly are easier to hook up/line up if your flying solo. No more in and out of the truck 20 times lining up a BP.

Gooseneck over bumper, 5th wheel over all..

Why a 5th??

 

[powerstroke444e]

I like gn for heavy loads but also have use for a good heavy duty bumper pull.

If you are wanting bumper pull you can get some real good heavy duty trailers that have 17.5 singles on them that will handle 14,000lbs of load.
Look at belshe trailers, econoline or kaufman? Yes you will need a heavy 2 1/2 receiver if your running those loads but it can be done.

 

[Diamondpilot]

I dont know about looking cooler, but they certainly are easier to hook up/line up if your flying solo. No more in and out of the truck 20 times lining up a BP.

Why a 5th??

Thats why all the new stuff has backup camera's.

For me I had a GN. I hated it. Loss of bed and it limited me to one tow vehicle is major reasons. BP works so much better in the long run.

Chris

 

[LD1]

Thats why all the new stuff has backup camera's.

For me I had a GN. I hated it. Loss of bed and it limited me to one tow vehicle is major reasons. BP works so much better in the long run.

Chris

Oh yea, them BU cameras :duh:

Yea, the loss of bed space sucks. When I go cutting wood, I either have to leave the wood behind, or the tractor and trailer. That kinda sucks.

But for heavier loads, like a LArger tractor, or backhoe in the 10k+ range, I like the GN. For my little kubota with FEL, loaded tires, and heavy Bushhog that weighs maybe 5000-5500 max, I like the bumper pull better, but only have room at my place for 1 trailer. So the BP stays at my parents since they dont have a truck with a GN

 

[corvettefarmer]

I currently have an F350 cc dually that we use for our small beef cattle and horse ranch. At this time, we don't grow our own hay so have to bring in both round rolls and bales to get us from November - April (sometimes a bit later). I've hauled hay on 16 foot bp trailers, 32 foot bp 2 car carrier and now a 28 ft GN deck over with tandem duals. The GN took a short while to feel at ease with but for larger loads, I will never go back to a bp trailer. Getting in and out of hay fields is much easier with the GN not to mention its carrying capacity. I did keep a small bp trailer but it pretty much just sits in a barn. Loss of bed space while towing has never been an issue with us - if I need to tow, I really don't need the bed. Over the years, pickup beds have become pretty useless for us. So much so, we are currently looking at an F550 with a 9 ft flat bed as this would work well for getting a smaller load of square bales. As always, what works for me may not work for anyone else.

 

[Deere Dude]

your weights are WAY off.

big tex 14K 18' equipment trailer #2710 several other large name equipment trailers in the 12-14K range are all just under 3000lbs.

one of the above 14K trailer with 10% TW (1400lbs) will give a trailer cargo capacity of over 12,000lbs. Course youll likely want a 1 ton or better with a class V WD hitch.

but its very doable for much less than the GN.

a BP is nice when you want to consider going to a F450 or 550 with a dump bed and can no longer put a GN in the back of the truck. They also open up other options for tow vehicals such as 1 ton vans, or box trucks, NPR or the like.

I don't believe my weight estimate is far off. My title says "15680 GVWR and also 5710 Shipping Weight"
Doesn't seem WAY off to me. But I didn't personally weight it without the truck attached, but their weights are pretty reliable. Maybe it's heavier duty that TEX or other ones?

 

[LD1]

All I know is trailer weights are all over the place. I see some talk on here and cant help but think how light people estimate trailers at.

My car trailer (which is nothing special) weighs 2700#. Its got a full length 4x4 box tube down the middle, and 2x4 tube around the perimeter, and 3" channel crosses every 2' with oak boards and 2 MH axles.

Alot of the weight is in the boards of choice too. Oak is much heavier than pine. But even so, a 20' long trailer that is 7' wide using dimensional lumber would have about 17 cu ft of boards. and SYP treated stuff is ~30 lb/ cu ft. So thats over 500 for just the boards. A pair of 3500# axles and tires is another ~500#

That dont leave much weight for steel, hitch, ramps, etc. So when I see claims of 7k trailers at 1500# it makes me wonder

My 24k GN @ 25' is 6500# FYI

 

[RedNeckRacin]

20+5 moritz weighs 5400lbs per the builder's web site. 7k torsion axles.

DP is one of the few diehard BP guys and thats fine, he has a unique purpose for his application. If your hauling equipment a GN is hands down the way to go. (sorry DP) It gives you much more flexability with your load placement and usually allows you to tow a little more than what your rated for "safely" Because none of us ever uses what we have to get the job done instead of what we are supposed to use. :thumbsup:

 

[Xfaxman]

Once you decide on a Gooseneck, this thread will answer the next question.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/trailers-transportation/273476-stand-up-slide-ramps.html

 

[powerstroke444e]

Oh yea, them BU cameras :duh:

Yea, the loss of bed space sucks. When I go cutting wood, I either have to leave the wood behind, or the tractor and trailer. That kinda sucks.

When you do firewood you just need load it on the trailer with the tractor
FYI I would doubt that I would put that load on a bumper hitch trailer

 

[LD1]

When you do firewood you just need load it on the trailer with the tractor
FYI I would doubt that I would put that load on a bumper hitch trailer
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I wish I could do that.

But my trailer is only 25' and the tractor takes up most of that.

Plus I dont like hauling the logs. I'd rather leave the sawdust mess in the woods.

 

[powerstroke444e]

That was from cleaning up tornado damage at a friends house

 

[Xfaxman]

I wish I could do that.

But my trailer is only 25' and the tractor takes up most of that.

Plus I dont like hauling the logs. I'd rather leave the sawdust mess in the woods.

Pull another trailer behind the Gooseneck, that is what I do.

Notice the receiver hitch and trailer light connector, that I ordered from the factory!


I used a 16' deckover with 6 big round bales on it, behind this 24' with 8 bales.

 

[LD1]

Pull another trailer behind the Gooseneck, that is what I do.

Notice the receiver hitch and trailer light connector, that I ordered from the factory!
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I used a 16' deckover with 6 big round bales on it, behind this 24' with 8 bales.
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That would make it a bit interesting getting into and out of my driveway that I already have a hard time with, with only 1 trailer:mur:

 

[Xfaxman]

That would make it a bit interesting getting into and out of my driveway that I already have a hard time with, with only 1 trailer:mur:

Due to the distance from the gooseneck axles back to the receiver hitch, the 2nd trailer doesn't swing much wider.

I had to go through several gates and turns hauling hay at 10.5' wide, no problem. :thumbsup:

 

[WilliamBos]

Goose neck.

 

[schmism]

I don't believe my weight estimate is far off. My title says "15680 GVWR and also 5710 Shipping Weight"
Doesn't seem WAY off to me.

your weights might be in line for a goosneck trailer. but they are literately twice the empty weight of a 18-20' 12-14K bumper pull. These arnt poorly made equipment trailers. My numbers come right from big name trailer manufactures.

as the OP wants pros and cons of BP vs GN.... i think that point needs to be made when considering how much cargo you can put on each version.

 

[sd455dan]

your weights might be in line for a goosneck trailer. but they are literately twice the empty weight of a 18-20' 12-14K bumper pull. These arnt poorly made equipment trailers. My numbers come right from big name trailer manufactures.

as the OP wants pros and cons of BP vs GN.... i think that point needs to be made when considering how much cargo you can put on each version.

Not all GN/ 5th wheel trailers rated for 10,000 lbs. weigh 2 or 3 tons- here's a data plate for 10k load rated trailer equipped with 2- 6 k axles which should maximize the weight that can be carried when the Gn or 5th wheel combined weight limit with vehicle is around 19k lbs.

You can always buy or build heavier trailers but at some point you begin to give up payload of the trailer due to GCWR limitations ...my :2cents:

 

[LD1]

Not all GN/ 5th wheel trailers rated for 10,000 lbs. weigh 2 or 3 tons- here's a data plate for 10k load rated trailer equipped with 2- 6 k axles View attachment 325612which should maximize the weight that can be carried when the Gn or 5th wheel combined weight limit with vehicle is around 19k lbs.

You can always buy or build heavier trailers but at some point you begin to give up payload of the trailer due to GCWR limitations ...my :2cents:

Not sure what you are implying, but I bet that trailer is well over 2k.

They are probably taking off the weight of the axles themselves, and figuring 10% tongue weight to arrive at their 10k capacity.

 

[sd455dan]

Not sure what you are implying, but I bet that trailer is well over 2k.

They are probably taking off the weight of the axles themselves, and figuring 10% tongue weight to arrive at their 10k capacity.

Had not considered the 10% pin weight , and it makes sense that they would subtract the axles weight from the rating but this company was a pioneer in lightening of their trailers while providing high load carrying capacities the company that produced the trailer pioneered the “true” combo trailer to the flatbed industry
Wilson has been producing the combo trailer longer than any current manufacturer in North America. By introducing the combination steel and aluminum trailer in 1983, Wilson ushered in a new era with significantly reduced trailer weights without diminished capacities. 3800lbs. is not out of the question ... Next time i haul something to our local recycler will get a hard #.